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2009-10-07 19:00:44
Macbeth
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So you think the officer went too far or he was teaching him a tough lesson?

Personally I hated this special ed bullshit they have in schools.

Story Time

I went to HMS in Bayonne in a pretty decent area of town for my public schooling. Things were great everyone got along everyone was happy and it was utopia for a grammar school. But it went to shit when they decided to integrate all of the Special Ed classes into our schools. So they bused in all of the Special Ed kids from all over the town right into HMS. These kids like the kid in the video didn't seem all that slow, but they were violent, poor, and generally underclassmen. The quality of the school went to shit, totally to shit. Especially when they decided that they would split up the 2 normal 8th and 7th grade classes from each other and integrate them along with the 7th and 8th grade Special Ed classes. So if you had friends in one class you had to be split up from them when going to your classes or other bullshit classes like Physical Education and shit, in order for the Special Ed students to be combined into the overall work of things. Everything went to hell because these poor, violent, students from all other parts of town downtown bayonne is a different culture and mindset from uptown and midtown bayonne started bringing down grades and causing fights, committing crimes, stealing things etc. Most of the HMS kids decided to go to private high schools are 8th grade. So the best from our school ended up in private school system and Bayonne High School ended up with whatever was left over.

Just a personal story of how much I hate Special Ed programs and integration of most types.
2009-10-07 20:26:17
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6938|USA
Your govt. education plan at work, but hey as long as you all are miserable equally and fairly right? We can't have most people happy and successful when there are a few people who are not. Govt. answr? Bring them all down, that way no one can bitch about someone else, and can turn to your trusty govt. for help. Ain't socialism and political correctness fuckin' fun?
2009-10-07 20:47:14
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6734|Chicago, IL
I agree, the "special ed" kids trashed our otherwise top ranked school, and devastated our average scores in the state testing
2009-10-07 20:52:01
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6440|what

Can't watch the video at the moment, but are you guys referring to special ed kids, as in, mentally handicapped/retarded persons?

I can't make the connection between someone with down syndrome as being poor, violent, committing crime and vandalism...
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2009-10-07 20:53:57
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:

Can't watch the video at the moment, but are you guys referring to special ed kids, as in, mentally handicapped/retarded persons?

I can't make the connection between someone with down syndrome as being poor, violent, committing crime and vandalism...
Most of the kids born of single mothers, in bad neighborhoods or just plain poor fall way behind in school very early in life and end up in special ed programs.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-10-07 20:55:46
AussieReaper
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JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Can't watch the video at the moment, but are you guys referring to special ed kids, as in, mentally handicapped/retarded persons?

I can't make the connection between someone with down syndrome as being poor, violent, committing crime and vandalism...
Most of the kids born of single mothers, in bad neighborhoods or just plain poor fall way behind in school very early in life and end up in special ed programs.
Ah, thanks. Here special ed refers to the programs offered to those with physical and mental disability. Not social, economic, etc.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2009-10-07 20:56:36
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6734|Chicago, IL

AussieReaper wrote:

Can't watch the video at the moment, but are you guys referring to special ed kids, as in, mentally handicapped/retarded persons?

I can't make the connection between someone with down syndrome as being poor, violent, committing crime and vandalism...
https://www.fettemama.org/wp-content/donvitoundmephbeimficken.jpg

but add ten years, they're special ed too
2009-10-07 20:57:51
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Can't watch the video at the moment, but are you guys referring to special ed kids, as in, mentally handicapped/retarded persons?

I can't make the connection between someone with down syndrome as being poor, violent, committing crime and vandalism...
Most of the kids born of single mothers, in bad neighborhoods or just plain poor fall way behind in school very early in life and end up in special ed programs.
Ah, thanks. Here special ed refers to the programs offered to those with physical and mental disability. Not social, economic, etc.
They're lumped together here. If a kid is held back a grade due to failure or 'acting out' they'll dump him or her in a special ed class for at least part of the day with the mentally impaired.

Edit - To make it even clearer, picture the special ed kids Macbeth is talking about as poor ghetto black kids who probably only have a crackhead for a mother and no father to speak of. Hope that clears it up.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2009-10-07 20:59:20)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-10-07 21:05:25
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6734|Chicago, IL
yeah, one title for everyone from the ghetto dickheads to the severely mentally disabled.

It's quite saddening to see some of the genuinely disabled kids forced to share a class with the scum of the earth
2009-10-08 02:23:31
rammunition
Fully Loaded
+143|6148
So now special needs kids are the problems of the american society??

I'm getting pissed off at some of these shitty replies. These kids didn't choose to be born with a mental/disabilty issue. Nor did they choose to have it latter on.  To talk in a way that these people are second class is pathetic. The selfishness in the american society is not a surprise but is reaching lower than hell

Be grateful you are not in their position



Edited out "Americunt", and replaced it with "American". Honestly, you should know better...

Last edited by mcminty (2009-10-08 04:09:45)

2009-10-08 02:41:47
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7067|Great Brown North
i always enjoyed trying to not get stabbed by the autistic kid

"oh don't mind him he's just different"

2009-10-08 04:21:05
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6698|'Murka

rammunition wrote:

So now special needs kids are the problems of the american society??

I'm getting pissed off at some of these shitty replies. These kids didn't choose to be born with a mental/disabilty issue. Nor did they choose to have it latter on.  To talk in a way that these people are second class is pathetic. The selfishness in the american society is not a surprise but is reaching lower than hell

Be grateful you are not in their position



Edited out "Americunt", and replaced it with "American". Honestly, you should know better...
If you would bother to read the replies, you would see the anger/disgust is directed not toward the kids who are actually disabled, but toward those who are put in special education classes simply because they are disadvantaged, not because of a disability. There is a distinct difference.

We have, in many communities here, entire schools established specifically for kids who simply cannot function in normal schools but who do not have mental/physical disabilities that prohibit their access to a free and appropriate public education (FAPE) in the least restrictive environment (LRE), which is required under federal law. As such, these schools are set up for these "at risk" kids to put them in an environment where they can still get an education while not negatively impacting the education opportunities of the majority of the other kids at the mainstream schools.

Perhaps it's a matter of it being a completely different paradigm than what you're used to seeing, or it's a function of your knee-jerk hate-filled reaction to all things American. Either way, I hope you learned something.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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2009-10-08 04:59:44
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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I've never seen a problem with streaming according to ability or segregation according to behaviour.
That way everyone gets the best for them, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.
Smart kids don't get held back, not so smart kids learn at a more realistic pace, those with special needs get more appropriate attention etc.
If kids with behavioural difficulties don't get A's then hard luck, at least they aren't screwing it up for others.

Trying to mash everyone into a mixed class and expecting good results for everyone is dumb.
Doing so for ideological reasons is borderline evil, you only get one chance at educating a child.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-10-08 05:00:12)

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2009-10-08 05:05:55
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6938|USA

Dilbert_X wrote:

I've never seen a problem with streaming according to ability or segregation according to behaviour.
That way everyone gets the best for them, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.
Smart kids don't get held back, not so smart kids learn at a more realistic pace, those with special needs get more appropriate attention etc.
If kids with behavioural difficulties don't get A's then hard luck, at least they aren't screwing it up for others.

Trying to mash everyone into a mixed class and expecting good results for everyone is dumb.
Doing so for ideological reasons is borderline evil, you only get one chance at educating a child.
Of course not, because you have never seen segregation according to those criteria. It is not PC
2009-10-08 05:11:07
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I've never seen a problem with streaming according to ability or segregation according to behaviour.
That way everyone gets the best for them, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.
Smart kids don't get held back, not so smart kids learn at a more realistic pace, those with special needs get more appropriate attention etc.
If kids with behavioural difficulties don't get A's then hard luck, at least they aren't screwing it up for others.

Trying to mash everyone into a mixed class and expecting good results for everyone is dumb.
Doing so for ideological reasons is borderline evil, you only get one chance at educating a child.
Of course not, because you have never seen segregation according to those criteria. It is not PC
I was segregated according to what he mentioned. PC or not, I was moved from the lowest "ranked" stream at the start of high school to the highest based on my marks after the first year. From there on I was placed in the A stream which had the brightest students and better teachers.

At the start of high school there were a few kids with social problems, ADD, etc and it showed. I wasn't limited in my ability because I worked hard and was rewarded.

After I was moved though, the difference in behaviour and attitude towards learning was really obvious and it's not hard for a teacher or even grades to justify in which stream a student is placed.

Last edited by AussieReaper (2009-10-08 05:13:22)

https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2009-10-08 05:15:23
lowing
Banned
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

I've never seen a problem with streaming according to ability or segregation according to behaviour.
That way everyone gets the best for them, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way.
Smart kids don't get held back, not so smart kids learn at a more realistic pace, those with special needs get more appropriate attention etc.
If kids with behavioural difficulties don't get A's then hard luck, at least they aren't screwing it up for others.

Trying to mash everyone into a mixed class and expecting good results for everyone is dumb.
Doing so for ideological reasons is borderline evil, you only get one chance at educating a child.
Of course not, because you have never seen segregation according to those criteria. It is not PC
I was segregated according to what he mentioned. PC or not, I was moved from the lowest "ranked" stream at the start of high school to the highest based on my marks after the first year. From there on I was placed in the A stream which had the brightest students and better teachers.

At the start of high school there were a few kids with social problems, ADD, etc and it showed. I wasn't limited in my ability because I worked hard and was rewarded.

After I was moved though, the difference in behaviour and attitude towards learning was really obvious and it's not hard for a teacher or even grades to justify in which stream a student is placed.
I am not speaking of movement within the same school, IE advanced math etc. I am speaking of school change all together, and so was Dilbert if I am not mistaken.

However, your point is made. Segregation based on ability does occur.
2009-10-08 05:22:52
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

I am not speaking of movement within the same school, IE advanced math etc. I am speaking of school change all together, and so was Dilbert if I am not mistaken.

However, your point is made. Segregation based on ability does occur.
Private schools are always going to have the better (well, I should say more education orientated) students, for the simple reason the parents aren't going to spend money on a drop out anyway. But complaining about schools test averages dropping because you have dead beats is rather redundant, most schools will always have that type of student anyway - since most school zoning is based on location and not test scores.

I think moving kids to new entirely new schools based on marks is too infeasible for many reasons, although yes, it would have merits.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
2009-10-08 05:32:04
lowing
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+1,662|6938|USA

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

I am not speaking of movement within the same school, IE advanced math etc. I am speaking of school change all together, and so was Dilbert if I am not mistaken.

However, your point is made. Segregation based on ability does occur.
Private schools are always going to have the better (well, I should say more education orientated) students, for the simple reason the parents aren't going to spend money on a drop out anyway. But complaining about schools test averages dropping because you have dead beats is rather redundant, most schools will always have that type of student anyway - since most school zoning is based on location and not test scores.

I think moving kids to new entirely new schools based on marks is too infeasible for many reasons, although yes, it would have merits.
Private schools do not count because it sole purpose is to segregate.

"Bussing" occurs for the sole intent of integration with little regard to the impact of its effects. It is the PC thing to do to give troubled kids an equal shake. The fact is, more often than not,this results in a combined failure and is of little concern to those implementing it. It is my opinion that these troubled kids are the very reason they do not have an equal shake within their own school system. They have destroyed it. I feel the equal shake happens when a school is provided. What these people do with it, is not my concern. My concern is what these kids try to do with the school they are moved into.

Last edited by lowing (2009-10-08 05:57:49)

2009-10-08 05:52:02
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

rammunition wrote:

So now special needs kids are the problems of the american society??

I'm getting pissed off at some of these shitty replies. These kids didn't choose to be born with a mental/disabilty issue. Nor did they choose to have it latter on.  To talk in a way that these people are second class is pathetic. The selfishness in the american society is not a surprise but is reaching lower than hell

Be grateful you are not in their position



Edited out "Americunt", and replaced it with "American". Honestly, you should know better...
So a person with defective genes should be elevated to being the equal of say, a genius? Just curious. Raising a person with an IQ of 60 up and saying he's equal to the man with the 160 IQ does that mentally impaired person no favors. Sure, you may have helped his self esteem in the near term but they're not equal. One IS superior. I know that's hard for you to accept but it's just life.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2009-10-08 05:58:38
Red Forman
Banned
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A) Do you mind explaining the video?

B) Your story has nothing to do with the video.  So why post the video or the story?
2009-10-08 06:26:02
ghettoperson
Member
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Seemed a pretty harsh beating no matter what the kid did.
2009-10-08 07:49:23
SEREVENT
MASSIVE G STAR
+605|6394|Birmingham, UK

AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Can't watch the video at the moment, but are you guys referring to special ed kids, as in, mentally handicapped/retarded persons?

I can't make the connection between someone with down syndrome as being poor, violent, committing crime and vandalism...
Most of the kids born of single mothers, in bad neighborhoods or just plain poor fall way behind in school very early in life and end up in special ed programs.
Ah, thanks. Here special ed refers to the programs offered to those with physical and mental disability. Not social, economic, etc.
Yeah i was thinking the same as you
2009-10-08 08:11:52
ruisleipa
Member
+149|6509|teh FIN-land

ghettoperson wrote:

Seemed a pretty harsh beating no matter what the kid did.
This.
2009-10-08 08:40:09
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6510|Escea

SEREVENT wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Most of the kids born of single mothers, in bad neighborhoods or just plain poor fall way behind in school very early in life and end up in special ed programs.
Ah, thanks. Here special ed refers to the programs offered to those with physical and mental disability. Not social, economic, etc.
Yeah i was thinking the same as you
Same
2009-10-08 08:57:17
13rin
Member
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Maybe he's into that kindo of thing?

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