BF2S Forums College/University Homework Help Thread v1.0

thanks for shitting on my dreams

HaiBai wrote:

thanks for shitting on my dreams

Most people that fail in business do so because they don't know what they are doing. Take some business classes and train yourself to become hyper organized and fiscally disciplined.

learn some accounting

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

learn some accounting

already done

accounting 1 along with AP accounting

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.

The camp my girl volunteers at had their annual budget meeting and she mentioned that they had a cost per camper chart. I was blown away because apparently this is the first year they've done that. No wonder this is their first year out of the red

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.

Many years ago my highschool had a practical skills area that taught automotive mechanics and other stuff. Around the 90's they removed all of that and replaced them with art classes. There are two huge ceramics rooms used to be the place they would put cars on lifts and teach students how to work on them.

Some high schools still do that but they are usually in the lower income range. Rarely do you find schools that focus on practical skills in high income areas. 'Mericans are too good for it.

Macbeth wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.

Many years ago my highschool had a practical skills area that taught automotive mechanics and other stuff. Around the 90's they removed all of that and replaced them with art classes. There are two huge ceramics rooms used to be the place they would put cars on lifts and teach students how to work on them.

Some high schools still do that but they are usually in the lower income range. Rarely do you find schools that focus on practical skills in high income areas. 'Mericans are too good for it.

art teachers are paid much less than shop teachers. That has a lot to do with it.

Jay wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

i always found it weird that some high schools taught accounting though. we didn't have a single 'practical skills' class at my HS.

Neither did we. Pure classical education. Not even economics as an elective.

the way higher education should be. leave vocational training to vocational colleges and polytechnics. keep business-focussed wankery out of academic research institutions, it's pointless. i am hugely against the marketisation of universities and the increasing change of a degree's worth from a humanistic education and process of refinement to a crude middle-management c.v. requirement. though i do agree that pre-college education should definitely offer the 'practical' path-way to people less intellectually inclined. you've got to provide an education of some sort for everyone.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-11-06 10:41:13)

i'm not saying there shouldn't be a college-level education for people that aren't doing academic things, i'm just saying they should be kept institutionally separate. the key part of my opinion is "academic research institutions". proper universities should be places of knowledge for knowledge's sake, for the advancement of research and human learning. when you start offering business courses and degrees in management you're not furthering any epistemic goal, at all. you're just training future corporate ants. that's not what a university is classically for, in my view. here in the uk we used to have two types of higher-education institution: the polytechnic, and the university. the polytechnic was more like a community college, with courses focussed on trades, skills, vocational courses, etc. the universities were the ivory towers. that's a good division from an institutional and managerial point-of-view. for example, here at holloway we've had a massive media furore with all sorts of major public figures like stephen fry and head of classics at cambridge coming out to defend our classics & philosophy department. why? our institution is now ran by a board of management graduates and i.t. industry specialists that want to axe one of europe's top classics departments to open a new business school for 3-times-the-fee-paying asian kids. it fucks with the principles of university education to have business-oriented and academic-oriented departments under the same budget. because of course one has a higher financial return, from a business point of view. but that's not the core point of universities.

Uzique wrote:

i'm not saying there shouldn't be a college-level education for people that aren't doing academic things, i'm just saying they should be kept institutionally separate. the key part of my opinion is "academic research institutions". proper universities should be places of knowledge for knowledge's sake, for the advancement of research and human learning. when you start offering business courses and degrees in management you're not furthering any epistemic goal, at all. you're just training future corporate ants. that's not what a university is classically for, in my view. here in the uk we used to have two types of higher-education institution: the polytechnic, and the university. the polytechnic was more like a community college, with courses focussed on trades, skills, vocational courses, etc. the universities were the ivory towers. that's a good division from an institutional and managerial point-of-view. for example, here at holloway we've had a massive media furore with all sorts of major public figures like stephen fry and head of classics at cambridge coming out to defend our classics & philosophy department. why? our institution is now ran by a board of management graduates and i.t. industry specialists that want to axe one of europe's top classics departments to open a new business school for 3-times-the-fee-paying asian kids. it fucks with the principles of university education to have business-oriented and academic-oriented departments under the same budget. because of course one has a higher financial return, from a business point of view. but that's not the core point of universities.

Then create an institution where your dream is realized and your students never have to encounter a jock business major. Good luck attracting students and funding.

we still do have those institutions. they're the red bricks and classical universities of the russell and 1994 group. but even they are eroding to the marketisation of higher-education. which imho is one of the mosts depressing things to happen during our generation. now youths feel squeezed to take some bullshit easy course in 'management' or 'hospitality services' or something because the crippling £35k debt has to lead to a directly applicable career option. pssht.