Because they had business sense in the first place.HaiBai wrote:
true, but that's why you learn from trial and error. i've read and researched a ton about software startups and almost everybody who does one didn't major in business and etc
Since when is working in HR/recruitment something to be proud ofHaiBai wrote:
since when is that a starting salary to be proud ofUzique wrote:
herp derp 2 of my friends that graduated in my class with the same class degree as me now have hr/recruitment jobs in the city for £24/30k a year starting salary, aged 21/22. i suppose that's not being paid to you though, right, because they're not chartered and don't mess around with tools in their spare time like REAL EDUCATED AND REAL SMARTS AND SUCCESSFUL people do.
I've made hundreds of thousands of dollars, 'messing around with tools' in my spare time, its not something anyone should be embarrassed about.
This is the worst graduate recruitment market I've seen, I don't envy anyone in it.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
this is the thing that makes you sound like androoz - you read about a few exemplary individuals that went it alone and managed to become huge successes because of their special talent and 'right time, right place' intuition. you hear about people like steve jobs, or thinkers like sagan in androoz's case ('if he can smoke weed and be smart, so can i!') and think that anything is possible. what you don't hear about whilst doing your 'research' on the internet is the 99% of people that failed miserably. don't something like 75% of all business start-ups fail within the first 5 years? that's a lot of broke-ass misery for every shining-star genius that comes along. having a college degree makes a lot of sense, because it's something that equips you with a decent level of qualification for your entire life. but if you want to wing it based on self-confidence alone... good luck.HaiBai wrote:
true, but that's why you learn from trial and error. i've read and researched a ton about software startups and almost everybody who does one didn't major in business and etc
dilbert my point is that they're pretty easy, cushty, white-collar middle-class jobs that pay an exorbitant amount of money in a lifetime's career for not a lot of sweat and graft. it's the dream graduate lifestyle: high-paying job in the city mile, a flat in a trendy part of town, nice clothes, lots of expendable income, and those nightmarish loans paid off in 3-5 years. how could anyone - especially in this current graduate employment market - not envy a job like that? and they're english literature grads. i'll be pretty satisfied with my lot if i can do that, too. so basically your snide repetitive comments are pointless. you also fail to factor in the account that you had to be a science undergrad for 3/4 years, the university social equivalent of the guy sat on the side of the school disco with his inhaler.
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You pretty much summed up why OWS exists.Uzique wrote:
dilbert my point is that they're pretty easy, cushty, white-collar middle-class jobs that pay an exorbitant amount of money in a lifetime's career for not a lot of sweat and graft. it's the dream graduate lifestyle: high-paying job in the city mile, a flat in a trendy part of town, nice clothes, lots of expendable income, and those nightmarish loans paid off in 3-5 years. how could anyone - especially in this current graduate employment market - not envy a job like that? and they're english literature grads. i'll be pretty satisfied with my lot if i can do that, too. so basically your snide repetitive comments are pointless. you also fail to factor in the account that you had to be a science undergrad for 3/4 years, the university social equivalent of the guy sat on the side of the school disco with his inhaler.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
gotta love real estate prices in scenic Omaha, NE.Jay wrote:
To be fair, Chicago businesses need to pay more to draw people to work there. Most Americans want to live on one of the coasts, not in the Midwest. It's also why the cost of living is so cheap.Uzique wrote:
it's the same over here in business and major organisations. experience and real pragmatic work know-how is great for your 20's and for sailing through the lower positions. but then when you start to see job advertisements or vacancies for middle/senior management, or a position of some authority, they start talking about master's degrees and mba's... education pays off then, 10-15 years after you've got the certificate.
and yeah, jay, your figures are kinda depressing. living in london is expensive as shit, hectic as shit, and competitive as shit. but once you get on the ladder it is definitely a gravytrain. and the rest of the country is much cheaper to live in on a day-to-day basis than london, so you can typically do a 10-15 year stretch in a heart-attack inducing job and then just chill the fuck out.
yeah what used to be called the american dream is no longer hip and cool, right? i'm not sure you can blame someone for wanting the most comfortable set-up possible. we're creatures of the least possible resistance. i think there's a big difference between wanting a nice middle-class lifestyle and being a big-corporation avaricious capitalist. someone that ends up making a six-figure salary in middle-age is hardly sucking up the 1% of the world's power.Jay wrote:
You pretty much summed up why OWS exists.Uzique wrote:
dilbert my point is that they're pretty easy, cushty, white-collar middle-class jobs that pay an exorbitant amount of money in a lifetime's career for not a lot of sweat and graft. it's the dream graduate lifestyle: high-paying job in the city mile, a flat in a trendy part of town, nice clothes, lots of expendable income, and those nightmarish loans paid off in 3-5 years. how could anyone - especially in this current graduate employment market - not envy a job like that? and they're english literature grads. i'll be pretty satisfied with my lot if i can do that, too. so basically your snide repetitive comments are pointless. you also fail to factor in the account that you had to be a science undergrad for 3/4 years, the university social equivalent of the guy sat on the side of the school disco with his inhaler.
also half the whiny faggots in the OWS system complain about their immense student debts. so they'd spurn someone that tried to get themselves a nice job that could pay off those debts and free themselves of 'the man'? OWS is some retarded shit. i'd suppose they'd prefer someone tried to pay off their debts by selling granola bars and giving transcendental meditation lessons... for free... or something.
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and galt aren't you the guy playing the stock market? that has always made a bragging point of how your degree specialisation is one of the highest earning graduate degrees in america? dude you must feel so hated.
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The American Dream was never about partying through college and then landing a cushy job with a high salary. That's pretty much the antithesis of the American Dream. It's always been about working your ass off, starting off at the bottom so you can learn the nuts and bolts of your profession, and then reap the rewards of your hard work by the time you get to middle age. Just like the idiots in the Girl Problems thread trying to skip through the progression of hugging, hand holding, kissing, whatever and trying to jump straight into the sack, people like you feel entitled to a middle management position right off the bat just because you hold a piece of paper in your hands. At least you're somewhat smarter than them and understand you can't, in fact, start in the middle and instantly have access to all the luxuries you see on the television.Uzique wrote:
yeah what used to be called the american dream is no longer hip and cool, rightJay wrote:
You pretty much summed up why OWS exists.Uzique wrote:
dilbert my point is that they're pretty easy, cushty, white-collar middle-class jobs that pay an exorbitant amount of money in a lifetime's career for not a lot of sweat and graft. it's the dream graduate lifestyle: high-paying job in the city mile, a flat in a trendy part of town, nice clothes, lots of expendable income, and those nightmarish loans paid off in 3-5 years. how could anyone - especially in this current graduate employment market - not envy a job like that? and they're english literature grads. i'll be pretty satisfied with my lot if i can do that, too. so basically your snide repetitive comments are pointless. you also fail to factor in the account that you had to be a science undergrad for 3/4 years, the university social equivalent of the guy sat on the side of the school disco with his inhaler.
You spit on science nerds for wasting their time in college, but I worked my ass off and now I'm enjoying a salary twice what you are praying for, and guess what? My job is easy.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I don't feel hated at all. The day I get married I enter the 1% and i'm quite happy about that. The wastes of space can suck my fucking dick, I earned mine, they didn't.Uzique wrote:
and galt aren't you the guy playing the stock market? that has always made a bragging point of how your degree specialisation is one of the highest earning graduate degrees in america? dude you must feel so hated.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
lol how did i know that in the end your comments would wind up being a feel-good ball massage for yourself. you've changed!
i'm sorry that i had fun through college and still end up with a great lifestyle. maybe you can engineer a structural solution for that massive chip on your shoulder.
i'm sorry that i had fun through college and still end up with a great lifestyle. maybe you can engineer a structural solution for that massive chip on your shoulder.
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you enter the 1% of the world's most rich by marrying someone? what sort of dowager are you marrying? and you profess a high self-worth for yourself when you're basically becoming some rich chick's little pocket bitch? congratulations, again. i hope she can soothe your life-long hang-ups about wealth, class and success.Jay wrote:
I don't feel hated at all. The day I get married I enter the 1% and i'm quite happy about that. The wastes of space can suck my fucking dick, I earned mine, they didn't.Uzique wrote:
and galt aren't you the guy playing the stock market? that has always made a bragging point of how your degree specialisation is one of the highest earning graduate degrees in america? dude you must feel so hated.
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No, she makes her own money, thanks. All I was saying is that with our earnings combined we will be in the 1%. We've been dating for six years, and living together for 3. All the marriage would do is combine our income taxes.Uzique wrote:
you enter the 1% of the world's most rich by marrying someone? what sort of dowager are you marrying? and you profess a high self-worth for yourself when you're basically becoming some rich chick's little pocket bitch? congratulations, again. i hope she can soothe your life-long hang-ups about wealth, class and success.Jay wrote:
I don't feel hated at all. The day I get married I enter the 1% and i'm quite happy about that. The wastes of space can suck my fucking dick, I earned mine, they didn't.Uzique wrote:
and galt aren't you the guy playing the stock market? that has always made a bragging point of how your degree specialisation is one of the highest earning graduate degrees in america? dude you must feel so hated.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
what's the criterion for the world's richest 1%? and what will your combined earnings be? in the millions? tens of millions? because the world's richest 1% are a little richer than two middle-class professionals. cute vision, though. aren't the married middle-classes the ones historically getting the most squeezed? hardly sounds like you'll be living the life of globe-trotting, yachting capitalism.
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hardlyUzique wrote:
you also fail to factor in the account that you had to be a science undergrad for 3/4 years, the university social equivalent of the guy sat on the side of the school disco with his inhaler.
very different college cultures over here, winston. dilbert went to school in the uk, not canada. he also went to the most notoriously introverted science geek school of them all. the sciences in the uk are still a hugely 90% male mouth-breathing discipline. every stereotype fits.
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The minimum number I've seen for the US 1% is apparently $350k, which really doesn't seem like a lot, especially if you're somewhere with a high cost of living. Apparently the average is skewed further upwards by the super rich to about $950k per annum.
Jay, all I've got to say is your interpretation of the American Dream surely differs from that of others.
Jay, all I've got to say is your interpretation of the American Dream surely differs from that of others.
According to the statistics, it's a family income of $250k or so. No, I'm in not in any way comparing myself to Warren Buffett or Koch or Soros or anything like that. It's just a little chest beating on my part to wake you up to reality. She was an English major too, but works in marketing. Her job is hard, and it stresses her the fuck out on a daily basis. Most of the OWS protestors seem to want her paycheck without putting in the effort or deal with the stress. Sailing through life unencumbered by stress or effort while maintaining a posh lifestyle in a major city is not a realistic goal, sorry. You can't have it all.Uzique wrote:
what's the criterion for the world's richest 1%? and what will your combined earnings be? in the millions? tens of millions? because the world's richest 1% are a little richer than two middle-class professionals. cute vision, though.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
jay's version of the american dream is like something from a steinbeck novel, because he grew up poor and has that blue-collar spite of everyone that had it easier than him, and that climber's scorn for everyone that he is now ascending above that hasn't done the same.
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$250k a year combined household income? that's a pathetic amount of money. when you say "the 1%" in the context of the OWS demonstrations, you're clearly misusing the term to 'chest beat' and big yourself up more than is due. the OWS protestors are not bitching about a middle-class family in the suburbs that make a quarter million a year and drive a chevy. they're complaining about those on wall street that take that much as a modest annual bonus, plus their regular six/seven figure earnings. jesus. by that standard if i marry my current girlfriend i'll be joining the world's 0.1%!Jay wrote:
According to the statistics, it's a family income of $250k or so. No, I'm in not in any way comparing myself to Warren Buffett or Koch or Soros or anything like that. It's just a little chest beating on my part to wake you up to reality. She was an English major too, but works in marketing. Her job is hard, and it stresses her the fuck out on a daily basis. Most of the OWS protestors seem to want her paycheck without putting in the effort or deal with the stress. Sailing through life unencumbered by stress or effort while maintaining a posh lifestyle in a major city is not a realistic goal, sorry. You can't have it all.Uzique wrote:
what's the criterion for the world's richest 1%? and what will your combined earnings be? in the millions? tens of millions? because the world's richest 1% are a little richer than two middle-class professionals. cute vision, though.
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You're right, my version is the immigrants American Dream. To give your kids a better life than you yourself had as a child. To amass wealth and pass it down. To create stability for future generations. My grandparents are all immigrants and my mom's parents raised me for much of my childhood.DesertFox- wrote:
The minimum number I've seen for the US 1% is apparently $350k, which really doesn't seem like a lot, especially if you're somewhere with a high cost of living. Apparently the average is skewed further upwards by the super rich to about $950k per annum.
Jay, all I've got to say is your interpretation of the American Dream surely differs from that of others.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
so you hate the middle-class for their comforts but all that you aspire to, essentially, in the 'immigrant's american dream' is the retainment and succession of property. this is what tocqueville criticised as the worst part of the american capitalist democracy. the middle-class comfort. basically you're not there yet but in 2-3 generation's time you'd love to have some grandkids growing up with all the luxuries of middle-class wealth (inherited, of course) because of your hard graft. what a paradoxical person.
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$700,000 annual income. For assets you need at least $7 million. According to the NYT.Uzique wrote:
what's the criterion for the world's richest 1%?
hmm, somehow my surprise at a newlywed college graduate joining the super-rich 1% is well founded, then. i guess jay won't be having appletinis with abramovich any time soon. still, though, he likes throwing around that little factoid!
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I don't hate the middle class at all. I hate people who want everything but don't want to pay for it. The biggest goal of the OWS protestors is to have their student loans forgiven. A secondary goal is to have all debt forgiven. No one put a gun to their head and told them to go to a $50k a year school when their life goal was to work at a Non-Profit where the average pay is barely enough to survive in Brooklyn. They want their Starbucks, and their Apple gear, and their trendy clothes, and all the other mini luxuries of life while bitching the whole time about the price tag associated with it. Nevermind that they have the power to find more lucrative work.Uzique wrote:
so you hate the middle-class for their comforts but all that you aspire to, essentially, in the 'immigrant's american dream' is the retainment and succession of property. this is what tocqueville criticised as the worst part of the american capitalist democracy. the middle-class comfort. basically you're not there yet but in 2-3 generation's time you'd love to have some grandkids growing up with all the luxuries of middle-class wealth (inherited, of course) because of your hard graft. what a paradoxical person.
Its not anger or jealousy unique, it's that I despise the people who want jobs that only the children of the idle rich previously occupied because they had no worries about money. When that somehow became a career that undergrads aspired to, we ended up in this situation where they lock themselves in a park and cry about their situation. Fucking morons.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Scratch that $9 million in assets. The low ball figure is 350K according to the CBO. Economist at NYU put the cutoff at 700K.Macbeth wrote:
$700,000 annual income. For assets you need at least $7 million. According to the NYT.Uzique wrote:
what's the criterion for the world's richest 1%?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/29/us/po … rcent.html
The possible exceptions are Representative Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and Representative Ron Paul of Texas, whose annual household earnings may not exceed the estimated cutoff of $700,000 for the top 1 percent, and Gov. Rick Perry of Texas, who has yet to file a financial disclosure.
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Membership in the 1 percent can be measured by wealth or by income. By household wealth, the cutoff point would be a projected $9 million in 2010, according to an analysis of the Federal Reserve Board’s Survey of Consumer Finances by Edward Wolff, an economist at New York University. The cutoff for annual household income would be about $700,000, Mr. Wolff said. (Using Internal Revenue Service figures, which count earnings differently, the Congressional Budget Office puts the earnings cutoff at $350,000 for the 1 percent in 2007.