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You are completely contradicting your previous arguments, Dilbert. Probably because you realize your previous arguments were/are complete shit.Dilbert_X wrote:
Duh they may yet face a mechanised enemy at some point in the future, hence they need them in store.FEOS wrote:
You shouldn't be buying something (even in replacement mode) that isn't intended to support the fight that you're currently in.Incorrect, I've been asking if there is something which would do the same job at a lower price = better value.So it was bought based on price, rather than value. And look what your soldiers were left with. Wonder how many of your guys got hurt/killed because of that twisted approach
Seems the DoD agrees with me.
ie, Dilbert's bean-counter mentality proven in the field.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for the ammo, looks like they went for a cheap supplier and didn't make sure the quality was met.
Exactly none.Dilbert_X wrote:
As for your argument, I wonder how many people died because money had been spent on shiny gizmos like the F22 and no on body armour and armoured humvees?
That's a ridiculously short-sighted view that completely ignores things like R&D and procurement timetables for advanced capabilities like the F-22 and F-35 and new Navy ships/subs and next-gen tanks and whatnot. That's how you wind up flying F4Fs against Zeros and P40s against Messerschmitts.Dilbert_X wrote:
Obviously things like the F22 are needed, but not during a war when people are dying, I guess thats why its been scaled back.
How ridiculously arrogant (and utterly uninformed) of you to think that isn't already regularly done. By either the MoD or the DoD.Dilbert_X wrote:
it is necessary to review what you're doing to see if you're getting the best bang for your buck and the troops the full range of eqpt they need.
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What is all this shit surrounding what to do in this here Afghan war, this has got to be one of the longest periods of time a decision has ever been made in the military history of the world.
Oh well, the US Afghan Envoy has said don't bother sending more troops:
Oh well, the US Afghan Envoy has said don't bother sending more troops:
The US ambassador in Kabul has written to the White House to oppose sending thousands more troops to Afghanistan.
In a leaked cable, Karl Eikenberry said President Karzai's government should first prove it would tackle corruption
The dramatic intervention puts the ambassador - a former military commander in Afghanistan - at odds with generals seeking reinforcements.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8356094.stmGen McChrystal was said to be fuming about Mr Eikenberry's intervention.
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The AMEMB is the US lead for all things in a given country. I bet McChrystal's fuming...particularly if Eikenberry didn't discuss his thoughts with McChrystal beforehand.
I can't say I disagree with Eik's thoughts regarding corruption and the likelihood of success without tackling it. However, to NOT address the counterinsurgency coincidental to dealing with corruption would seem to be rather short-sighted, as well.
I can't say I disagree with Eik's thoughts regarding corruption and the likelihood of success without tackling it. However, to NOT address the counterinsurgency coincidental to dealing with corruption would seem to be rather short-sighted, as well.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Britain's foreign secretary has suggested that senior Taliban figures be given positions in the Afghan government to bring an end to the violence in the country.
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That would be political suicide for the other parties. The Taliban target election lines, so the British plan is to gift them Government positions? From there all they have to do is intimidate locals and can claim the whole government.Britain's foreign secretary has suggested that senior Taliban figures be given positions in the Afghan government to bring an end to the violence in the country.
For a war about "Democracy" it's the one thing the country has yet to see.
Afghanistan is the second most corrupt nation on earth, just ahead of Somalia.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_rese … 2009_table
Way to spread freedom and democracy guys.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_rese … 2009_table
Way to spread freedom and democracy guys.
Fuck Israel
It has always been a wish from Nato's Secretary General Mr Anders Fogh Rasmussen to include the Taliban.AussieReaper wrote:
That would be political suicide for the other parties. The Taliban target election lines, so the British plan is to gift them Government positions? From there all they have to do is intimidate locals and can claim the whole government.Britain's foreign secretary has suggested that senior Taliban figures be given positions in the Afghan government to bring an end to the violence in the country.
For a war about "Democracy" it's the one thing the country has yet to see.
I think it will be a part of the next Afghan strategy.
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Only works if you give in to any concessions the Taliban make. And they would consider it a victory.Beduin wrote:
It has always been a wish from Nato's Secretary General Mr Anders Fogh Rasmussen to include the Taliban.AussieReaper wrote:
That would be political suicide for the other parties. The Taliban target election lines, so the British plan is to gift them Government positions? From there all they have to do is intimidate locals and can claim the whole government.Britain's foreign secretary has suggested that senior Taliban figures be given positions in the Afghan government to bring an end to the violence in the country.
For a war about "Democracy" it's the one thing the country has yet to see.
I think it will be a part of the next Afghan strategy.
Meanwhile the people have yet to vote without intimidation from either side.
People keep forgetting, the 'Taliban' didn't come from outer space, they're radicalised locals.
Its simpler to inculde them and de-radicalise them slowly than keep trying to kill them and radicalising more.
Its simpler to inculde them and de-radicalise them slowly than keep trying to kill them and radicalising more.
Fuck Israel
That if the Taliban agrees. We can risk a "fuck off"!AussieReaper wrote:
Only works if you give in to any concessions the Taliban make. And they would consider it a victory.
Meanwhile the people have yet to vote without intimidation from either side.
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While there is a good bit of corruption--even by Afghani cultural standards--you have to keep in mind that what the West deems to be "corruption" is often just "doing business" in that part of the world, per their culture. That is not an attack or a judgment on them. It just is.Dilbert_X wrote:
Afghanistan is the second most corrupt nation on earth, just ahead of Somalia.
http://www.transparency.org/policy_rese … 2009_table
Way to spread freedom and democracy guys.
So, seeing how they do things through an ethnocentric lens will make it seem highly corrupt (again, some things, even by their standards, are corrupt), when seeing them through their own cultural lens, it is less so.
Democracy there isn't going to look like democracy in the West. Never will.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I think you don't give the Afghans enough credit, by their standards they are pissed off at the latest Government corruption, and rightly so.
See my parentheticals. I agree. I think they are less pissed than the West...certainly less outraged.AussieReaper wrote:
I think you don't give the Afghans enough credit, by their standards they are pissed off at the latest Government corruption, and rightly so.
Nobody seems to think that the ballot-box stuffing may have had nothing to do with Karzai. A lot of it was in Taliban-influenced/controlled areas. And the Karzai vote count was 100%, in excess of the voting population, etc. Outrageous, obvious fraud.
It was assumed that the Kabul government or Karzai's backers had something to do with the fraud.
Obvious fraud.
In Taliban areas.
Calling the government's legitimacy into question.
Why has nobody asked the obvious question?
It's what I would've done if I were Taliban.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Sounds sweet but I wonder how many years it will take to reach 240k.
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No secret who you side with Beduin
And honestly do you really believe any of that propaganda coming out of Al Jazeera?
And honestly do you really believe any of that propaganda coming out of Al Jazeera?
I do. The Italians and French don't really want to be there so if they can pay off the locals, put on a show of force, and go home safe they will.Dr.PhiL wrote:
No secret who you side with Beduin
And honestly do you really believe any of that propaganda coming out of Al Jazeera?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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-Frederick Bastiat
The US pays off the Taliban too you know.
Fuck Israel
I don't doubt it. Pragmatism > Idealism.Dilbert_X wrote:
The US pays off the Taliban too you know.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Ok after watching I noticed they said that France has lost 26 soldiers in Afghanistan, out of how many? 3000?
Jesus christ little Denmark has lost excactly 30 soldiers down and thats out of 650, but then again we are in the south.
Either the french have a very peaceful responsibility area, or else they must be paying taliban off.
But regarding al jazeera try to watch it, and listen to some of the things they say about jews, Israel and ALOT of other things.
Makes its hard to take anything serious that comes out the channel.
Unless you live in some 3rd world country, and its your only source of news.
Jesus christ little Denmark has lost excactly 30 soldiers down and thats out of 650, but then again we are in the south.
Either the french have a very peaceful responsibility area, or else they must be paying taliban off.
But regarding al jazeera try to watch it, and listen to some of the things they say about jews, Israel and ALOT of other things.
Makes its hard to take anything serious that comes out the channel.
Unless you live in some 3rd world country, and its your only source of news.
So anyway it's almost confirmed that O is to send 30k troops to the region. Yay or Nay? The General(s) asked for 40k. So if this fails than O doesn't really have much to fall back on. I'm expecting a period of high causalities on both sides initially followed by some relative respite, but it depends on what those extra troops do, whether there will also be any real changes as to the way shit is done along side the extra troops.
They don't need more American troops, they need more Afghan troops doing the fighting.Mekstizzle wrote:
So anyway it's almost confirmed that O is to send 30k troops to the region. Yay or Nay? The General(s) asked for 40k. So if this fails than O doesn't really have much to fall back on. I'm expecting a period of high causalities on both sides initially followed by some relative respite, but it depends on what those extra troops do, whether there will also be any real changes as to the way shit is done along side the extra troops.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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lol nice 1 m8Dr.PhiL wrote:
No secret who you side with Beduin
How old are you anyway?
and yo kid, here is what our minister for foreign affairs, Mr. Per Stig Møller, have to say about al-jazeera.
...so stfu kidPer Stig Møller, har givet den sin uforbeholdne anbefaling. ”Al Jazeera English er en af verdens mest moderne journalistiske arbejdspladser og samtidig et professionelt medie, der bedriver den opsøgende, tilstræbt objektive form for journalistik,”
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