Bevo wrote:
Can someone recommend a good cheap external sound card? Self-powered, please. Well, cheap, anyway.
Velociraptors are barely faster than newest regular HDDs. Yet they cost a lot. They are just like other dinosaurs, going to die in extinction very soon.
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Raptors are shit and pointless.CapnNismo wrote:
Why did I click the quote button? I have no idea. Wanted to edit my post to delete one word. Whatever.
I wouldn't say that Velociraptors are totally expensive - they're certainly a lot cheaper than any SSD on the market when you figure price per GB.
Anyone who has wasted money on them since SSDs have become fairly mainstream has made a very silly mistake. They were always something that no one ever had any justification for buying:
Whereas SSDs will give a HUGE performance boost to anyone and everyone, no matter what they are doing on their machine.CapnNismo wrote:
Unless you've really already done everything there is to do to improve your performance
Biggest overall performance boost I've ever seen from any single piece of hardware I've ever put in a machine (barring RAM drives - which are pure awesomeness).
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are you serious? u mean that for real?Bertster7 wrote:
Whereas SSDs will give a HUGE performance boost to anyone and everyone, no matter what they are doing on their machine.
Biggest overall performance boost I've ever seen from any single piece of hardware I've ever put in a machine.
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Yes. Definitely. 100%.Beduin wrote:
are you serious? u mean that for real?Bertster7 wrote:
Whereas SSDs will give a HUGE performance boost to anyone and everyone, no matter what they are doing on their machine.
Biggest overall performance boost I've ever seen from any single piece of hardware I've ever put in a machine.
What else gives anything like that sort of performance boost? GPUs do, but that's specialised performance, not overall.
CPU..
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I agree completely, biggest change since multi core CPUs.Bertster7 wrote:
Biggest overall performance boost I've ever seen from any single piece of hardware I've ever put in a machine (barring RAM drives - which are pure awesomeness).
Reason for that is very easy to figure out too, removing last mechanical part from PC...
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I don't know that I would call an SSD the biggest performance boost that money can buy, but there are better ways to extract similar performance for a lot less money. My opinion has been that SSDs have always been the icing on top of a beautifully made cake and not one of the tiers.
Bevo: I suggest you either make your own thread or just give up - one these guys get stuck on a topic, they don't get off it. I had to search around for the answer to my question on other forums before finding an answer (the HDMI audio out functions exactly the same way on the 460 as it does on ATi cards... thanks for nothing, nerds).
Bevo: I suggest you either make your own thread or just give up - one these guys get stuck on a topic, they don't get off it. I had to search around for the answer to my question on other forums before finding an answer (the HDMI audio out functions exactly the same way on the 460 as it does on ATi cards... thanks for nothing, nerds).
Not really. I went from E5200 @ 2.5 to Q9300 @ 3.2 and barely noticed the change, until I fired up some games.Beduin wrote:
CPU..
Nope. CPUs don't give anything like the performance boost of SSDs. Not in a realistic, replacing a single piece of hardware, scenario.Beduin wrote:
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No there aren't. Without an SSD (or other ultra fast drive - like a RAM drive, and you can get nice 64GB DDR2 drives these days for less than a big SSD) everything you do is constrained by hard drive speed.CapnNismo wrote:
I don't know that I would call an SSD the biggest performance boost that money can buy, but there are better ways to extract similar performance for a lot less money. My opinion has been that SSDs have always been the icing on top of a beautifully made cake and not one of the tiers.
Thats what I also had in mind.. not just for web browsingFinray wrote:
Not really. I went from E5200 @ 2.5 to Q9300 @ 3.2 and barely noticed the change, until I fired up some games.Beduin wrote:
CPU..
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
...show me the schematic
Having used anything between Athlon 64 3500+ and i7 @ 4.2GHz recent years, after dual cores I honestly haven't seen such overall increase before SSDs.
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I was considering it, but since I did all of my speaker talk in here as well as cabling as stuff I figure someone would pop in at some time. just gotta wait for freezer or winst to show up. Seems like the new thread would get ignored as well.CapnNismo wrote:
Bevo: I suggest you either make your own thread or just give up - one these guys get stuck on a topic, they don't get off it. I had to search around for the answer to my question on other forums before finding an answer (the HDMI audio out functions exactly the same way on the 460 as it does on ATi cards... thanks for nothing, nerds).
erm, point me in the direction of them!Bertster7 wrote:
No there aren't. Without an SSD (or other ultra fast drive - like a RAM drive, and you can get nice 64GB DDR2 drives these days for less than a big SSD) everything you do is constrained by hard drive speed.CapnNismo wrote:
I don't know that I would call an SSD the biggest performance boost that money can buy, but there are better ways to extract similar performance for a lot less money. My opinion has been that SSDs have always been the icing on top of a beautifully made cake and not one of the tiers.
Performance/dollar. Sorry, but with the money to drop a few hundred euros/dollars on an SSD, I could easily pick up a couple of larger capacity drives and sling them into RAID for some performance increases or put the money towards something else. I'm not disagreeing with you in that an SSD nets a lot of performance increase, I just think the money could be spent in a more practical way (that's not saying that I don't want an SSD, though, I very much do!).Bertster7 wrote:
No there aren't. Without an SSD (or other ultra fast drive - like a RAM drive, and you can get nice 64GB DDR2 drives these days for less than a big SSD) everything you do is constrained by hard drive speed.CapnNismo wrote:
I don't know that I would call an SSD the biggest performance boost that money can buy, but there are better ways to extract similar performance for a lot less money. My opinion has been that SSDs have always been the icing on top of a beautifully made cake and not one of the tiers.
Hyperdrive 5 is one I've used. £299 + RAM costs. tbh, you won't get 64GB cost effectively, since that's based on using 8GB DIMMs.CammRobb wrote:
erm, point me in the direction of them!Bertster7 wrote:
No there aren't. Without an SSD (or other ultra fast drive - like a RAM drive, and you can get nice 64GB DDR2 drives these days for less than a big SSD) everything you do is constrained by hard drive speed.CapnNismo wrote:
I don't know that I would call an SSD the biggest performance boost that money can buy, but there are better ways to extract similar performance for a lot less money. My opinion has been that SSDs have always been the icing on top of a beautifully made cake and not one of the tiers.
I have a friend who runs 2 of those in RAID0 with 16GB in each (both full of 2GB DIMMs) runs soooooooo fast you have no idea. They're the only device I can think of that would actually benefit from having a SATA3 interface.
Great thing to get at the moment when loads of people have DDR2 RAM they no longer have a use for.
how quick are they compared to SSDs?Bertster7 wrote:
Hyperdrive 5 is one I've used. £299 + RAM costs. tbh, you won't get 64GB cost effectively, since that's based on using 8GB DIMMs.CammRobb wrote:
erm, point me in the direction of them!Bertster7 wrote:
No there aren't. Without an SSD (or other ultra fast drive - like a RAM drive, and you can get nice 64GB DDR2 drives these days for less than a big SSD) everything you do is constrained by hard drive speed.
I have a friend who runs 2 of those in RAID0 with 16GB in each (both full of 2GB DIMMs) runs soooooooo fast you have no idea. They're the only device I can think of that would actually benefit from having a SATA3 interface.
Great thing to get at the moment when loads of people have DDR2 RAM they no longer have a use for.
No you couldn't.CapnNismo wrote:
Performance/dollar. Sorry, but with the money to drop a few hundred euros/dollars on an SSD, I could easily pick up a couple of larger capacity drives and sling them into RAID for some performance increases or put the money towards something else. I'm not disagreeing with you in that an SSD nets a lot of performance increase, I just think the money could be spent in a more practical way (that's not saying that I don't want an SSD, though, I very much do!).Bertster7 wrote:
No there aren't. Without an SSD (or other ultra fast drive - like a RAM drive, and you can get nice 64GB DDR2 drives these days for less than a big SSD) everything you do is constrained by hard drive speed.CapnNismo wrote:
I don't know that I would call an SSD the biggest performance boost that money can buy, but there are better ways to extract similar performance for a lot less money. My opinion has been that SSDs have always been the icing on top of a beautifully made cake and not one of the tiers.
Putting drives in RAID isn't going to give you any benefit at all in terms of access times, which is where the main benefit lies. There is no alternative that improves access times, which the entire system is dependent on.
People often talk (usually completely inaccurately) about bottlenecks. The hard drive is the biggest bottleneck there is.
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Access time are a few ns. Transfer rates saturate the SATA2 interface they're on (pretty retarded of the manufacturers to not use SATA3 really).CammRobb wrote:
how quick are they compared to SSDs?Bertster7 wrote:
Hyperdrive 5 is one I've used. £299 + RAM costs. tbh, you won't get 64GB cost effectively, since that's based on using 8GB DIMMs.CammRobb wrote:
erm, point me in the direction of them!
I have a friend who runs 2 of those in RAID0 with 16GB in each (both full of 2GB DIMMs) runs soooooooo fast you have no idea. They're the only device I can think of that would actually benefit from having a SATA3 interface.
Great thing to get at the moment when loads of people have DDR2 RAM they no longer have a use for.
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My XFi XtremeMusic arrived... the difference between it and onboard is seriously day and night; I didn't think it would sound THIS much better. It makes my cheapo 2.1 set sound great.
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Welcome to the money sinkhole that is audio gear.alexb wrote:
My XFi XtremeMusic arrived... the difference between it and onboard is seriously day and night; I didn't think it would sound THIS much better. It makes my cheapo 2.1 set sound great.
AF does not work properly on AMD HD5 cards and AMD doesn't even admit that. Its pissing me off, and AA works only occasionally these days.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,74333 … st/?page=3
CBA to google translate, look at the pics. They say more than thousand words. I want my image quality back....
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,74333 … st/?page=3
CBA to google translate, look at the pics. They say more than thousand words. I want my image quality back....
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Panzer, do you think it might be a driver issue? I have listened to the Tech Report podcast yesterday and they were talking about how ATi really has not been up on their game recently when it comes to extracting all they can via the drivers whereas Nvidia absolutely shines in this department.
Barely noticeable imoGC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
AF does not work properly on AMD HD5 cards and AMD doesn't even admit that. Its pissing me off, and AA works only occasionally these days.
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,74333 … st/?page=3
CBA to google translate, look at the pics. They say more than thousand words. I want my image quality back....