S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6517|Montucky
I sit here, in my 3 bedroom house paid for the blood and sweat of working my ass off, typing thing.  This place was once occupied by what I thought was my loving wife and now 4 year old son, whom I rarely get to see. At least he still calls me Daddy...

Rewind back to June 2000.  I joined the Marine Corps at 18, I left for MCRD San Diego a week after graduation.  I hadn't been with my new unit for more than 9 months, then some people decided to crash a few jets into a buildings and a year alter I found myself in Afghanistan.

Most of the memories I have from the Marine Corps are just snapshots, pictures.  I remember a few one liners friends said and "oh shit, look at that!"  I survived the battle for Nasiriyah during the initial invasion, 10 members of my squad weren't so lucky.  Then not even a year later I found myself fighting house to house in a terrible place most people call Fallujah.  I was hit in the neck and right arm from fragments of an RPG.  I remember waking up in the Shock-Trauma tent with a nurse, whom I still chat with occasionally to this day.  From all my time deployed I received the curse most of you know as PTSD, but like an idiot I keep all the anger, sorrow, frustration and a bunch of other feelings I can't describe bottled up.  Bottled up deep down inside.  I look back to 5 years ago when I was a new married young veteran with a child on the way as a happy man, with a dark past, a past that was kept hidden.  I did unspeakable things, things I can't repeat. Things I regret.  Things that will haunt me for the rest of my life.  I've ended other people's lives, its a guilt, a curse that no man should have to feel..

After only being married for a year, my young wife left me, taking my son to another state.  I fought her in court just so I could prove to her I had the right to see my son, she would use the notion of PTSD as a reason to keep him from me.  I succeed and had a very emotional reunion with my son as she looked on, a few years from then, she'd tell me how horrible she felt that day depriving me of my only son.

A short time after my then wife left me, I resigned from being a Deputy Sheriff and decided to finish my degree in Civil Engineering. It was there I met a Marine Corp vet, in a Calculus who was also finishing the same degree I had my sights set on since I was a young lad.  He too harbored the same emotions I did, however he chose a different path in life.  He chose to seek counseling for his troubles at the advisement of his wife.  I have more respect for that woman that anybody I've ever met.  She has stood by his side at the darkest of times.  I've told them my story of woe and how my wife left when the fecal matter started to hit the air osculation unit. As is the case for alot of military personal returning home from a combat deployment, break ups and divorce..

I wonder how my dad and his brothers survived after Vietnam and how my grandfathers survived World War 2 after the war, they were able to return to a normal life after war.  For along time I carried the guilt that my divorce was my fault, but now being able to talk to my ex wife I find it was a combination of both of us.  All things that could have been fixed, I'm sure. 

I just don't have it in me to try again anymore.  I can't go out and party, I have a fear of large crowds. On that tangent I still scan the side of the road while I drive. I still have nightmares and sleepless nights. 

After typing this all out, I've just faced the reality that the only person I've talked to this about is a Shrink in an office. My mom knows I'm a changed man, I'm not that all star football player that threw away a scholarship to a college..  My dad simply told me to do what makes me happy. 

So what now?
13urnzz
Banned
+5,830|6496

one day at a time. and remember you don't have to go it alone.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6152|what

That is some good advice from your father.
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Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6706|67.222.138.85
Kinda stupid for me to think I could give you any sort of advice, but if you made it this far you might as well keep going for the hell of it.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6147|'straya
Keep going, that's all you can do.


I hope this isn't to personal. But if there was one thing you could go back and change, what would it be?
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6567|Mountains of NC

*bear hug *



I know where you're coming from brother
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Eagle
Togs8896 is my evil alter ego
+567|6630|New Hampshire, USA
I'm afraid I can't offer any advice, but you have my best wishes.  Also, thank you for what you had to go through, you're a better man than me.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5357|London, England

S3v3N wrote:

I sit here, in my 3 bedroom house paid for the blood and sweat of working my ass off, typing thing.  This place was once occupied by what I thought was my loving wife and now 4 year old son, whom I rarely get to see. At least he still calls me Daddy...

Rewind back to June 2000.  I joined the Marine Corps at 18, I left for MCRD San Diego a week after graduation.  I hadn't been with my new unit for more than 9 months, then some people decided to crash a few jets into a buildings and a year alter I found myself in Afghanistan.

Most of the memories I have from the Marine Corps are just snapshots, pictures.  I remember a few one liners friends said and "oh shit, look at that!"  I survived the battle for Nasiriyah during the initial invasion, 10 members of my squad weren't so lucky.  Then not even a year later I found myself fighting house to house in a terrible place most people call Fallujah.  I was hit in the neck and right arm from fragments of an RPG.  I remember waking up in the Shock-Trauma tent with a nurse, whom I still chat with occasionally to this day.  From all my time deployed I received the curse most of you know as PTSD, but like an idiot I keep all the anger, sorrow, frustration and a bunch of other feelings I can't describe bottled up.  Bottled up deep down inside.  I look back to 5 years ago when I was a new married young veteran with a child on the way as a happy man, with a dark past, a past that was kept hidden.  I did unspeakable things, things I can't repeat. Things I regret.  Things that will haunt me for the rest of my life.  I've ended other people's lives, its a guilt, a curse that no man should have to feel..

After only being married for a year, my young wife left me, taking my son to another state.  I fought her in court just so I could prove to her I had the right to see my son, she would use the notion of PTSD as a reason to keep him from me.  I succeed and had a very emotional reunion with my son as she looked on, a few years from then, she'd tell me how horrible she felt that day depriving me of my only son.

A short time after my then wife left me, I resigned from being a Deputy Sheriff and decided to finish my degree in Civil Engineering. It was there I met a Marine Corp vet, in a Calculus who was also finishing the same degree I had my sights set on since I was a young lad.  He too harbored the same emotions I did, however he chose a different path in life.  He chose to seek counseling for his troubles at the advisement of his wife.  I have more respect for that woman that anybody I've ever met.  She has stood by his side at the darkest of times.  I've told them my story of woe and how my wife left when the fecal matter started to hit the air osculation unit. As is the case for alot of military personal returning home from a combat deployment, break ups and divorce..

I wonder how my dad and his brothers survived after Vietnam and how my grandfathers survived World War 2 after the war, they were able to return to a normal life after war.  For along time I carried the guilt that my divorce was my fault, but now being able to talk to my ex wife I find it was a combination of both of us.  All things that could have been fixed, I'm sure. 

I just don't have it in me to try again anymore.  I can't go out and party, I have a fear of large crowds. On that tangent I still scan the side of the road while I drive. I still have nightmares and sleepless nights. 

After typing this all out, I've just faced the reality that the only person I've talked to this about is a Shrink in an office. My mom knows I'm a changed man, I'm not that all star football player that threw away a scholarship to a college..  My dad simply told me to do what makes me happy. 

So what now?
I got totally fucking lucky that I didn't end up with PTSD. I feel for ya bud. The best advice I can give you is to find a fellow vet and share stories, even if they hurt. He'll understand you a helluva lot more than any doctor will. It's always better to get it off your chest so you can put it behind you instead of holding onto it inside you. Even if you get called a pussy etc you know damn well that they don't really mean it and it's their way of coping. Suck it up.

To be honest it sounds like you're close to the edge. Things will get better. Believe in that.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2009-09-17 20:48:20)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6517|Montucky

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Keep going, that's all you can do.


I hope this isn't to personal. But if there was one thing you could go back and change, what would it be?
Alot of things spring to mind, just going to college, then I wouldn't have my son.

Seeking help after I got out instead of keeping it inside.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6528|Global Command
Peace to your mind and respects bud.

I hope sharing it here and knowing we think you are a hellava guy help some.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6567|Mountains of NC

you have your son but do you have something else that you care about


something like : going down to the aspca, those animals love any attention
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S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6517|Montucky

SEREMAKER wrote:

you have your son but do you have something else that you care about


something like : going down to the aspca, those animals love any attention
Volunteering as a Paramedic and Firefighter and fishing.

I loved to go hunting but now, I just can't bring myself to do it.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6567|Mountains of NC

not sure if you can, but have you thought about just getting away for a week or so - just you and your son
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S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6517|Montucky

SEREMAKER wrote:

not sure if you can, but have you thought about just getting away for a week or so - just you and your son
I can't but its something I've wanted to do for along time.


and I thank you all for your kind words.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6567|Mountains of NC

too bad I don't live near by


nothing is better then sitting around a campfire out in the middle of nowhere and getting everything thats heavy off the mind
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5700|College Park, MD
S3v3n we're all here for ya. Don't look at it as a curse... look at it as a challenge that you have to overcome. Surely you've overcome many before... and this one's all mental. Get things off your chest, seek counseling. Maybe you could get a dog... they're wonderful companions and as long as you're a kind and responsible owner, they'll love you unconditionally and never judge you.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6528|Global Command
I am on the record as saying I think the whole Iraq thing was a mistake.

I'd like to go on record as saying that 99.9% of the soldiers there who did take lives did so in the honest service of their brothers and country. I just don't look at that kind of killing as a sin. Easy for me to say, but I don't think you should feel any remorse or regret. A human being put into a combat situation becomes a killer, but that is a survival instinct.

I have never felt anything but the most profound respect and gratitude for those that went willingly into combat after 9-11. I came really close to joining, but three weeks after the towers fell my wife was pregnant with our 9-11 baby.
I should get the guilt because I willingly stayed while you and others here willingly went. I am a coward while you are a hero. I get to bitch about politics while you got to see friends die. And so what if at some point anger got to you; it was a righteous rage. I don't need to know the specifics of your story to know that. I believe that the only ones who should feel ashamed or guilty are the politicians.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6567|Mountains of NC

lives took me about 5 years to ease it off my mind ...... but then as soon as I see someone that looks like someone I was looking at

boom .... its like getting slammed in the gut with truck at 50 mph
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6105|eXtreme to the maX
S3v3n really sorry to hear that.
Can't really offer advice except do the best you can and focus on the future.
The past is the past, anyone who says they've never done anything bad or they regret is not being truthful.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5700|College Park, MD
Going off what Dilbert said

An honest question for SERE and S3v3n and any others with similar experiences (and y'all don't need to answer if you don't want to)

Do you guys regret joining the military because of the things you had to do? Or do you ultimately look back without regret?
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5357|London, England

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Going off what Dilbert said

An honest question for SERE and S3v3n and any others with similar experiences (and y'all don't need to answer if you don't want to)

Do you guys regret joining the military because of the things you had to do? Or do you ultimately look back without regret?
No regrets. Sure, I hated it most of the time I was in but I'm now going to school for free. It also gave me some of the discipline I lacked and I wouldn't have made the friends that I did or had many of the experiences that made me who I am today. I happen to like me
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6517|Montucky

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Going off what Dilbert said

An honest question for SERE and S3v3n and any others with similar experiences (and y'all don't need to answer if you don't want to)

Do you guys regret joining the military because of the things you had to do? Or do you ultimately look back without regret?
I do regret what I've had to do during my deployments, but I don't regret joining. The friends i've made and the good things I've seen and the aboslutely hilarious hijinks that have ensued out weight the bad. I know this now but a few years ago when I hit rock bottom, I only dwelled on the negative aspects.
Karbin
Member
+42|6293
First, I spent eight years in the service in the dark times of the late seventy's and early eighties. I've seen two of "my boys" hit by arttie on a "peace keeping mission". I escorted them home and was told , by higher, to tell their parents they hit a mine.

I bumped into a vet from an event in Africa. After a few beers he got to talking. After a few more, I got his story, he got mine. His was very much the same as yours.

It took me years to work out mine. The worst were the one that would say "Just get over it", "forget about it, no one wants to know about it". And the one that would almost drive me to kill.... "You shouldn't have been there anyway".
I'll tell you what I told him, for better or worse.

It's a poker game, all in. You bet your life, he bets his. You win, you get to place the bet again. You loose, sometimes it's a Medavac, sometimes it's not.
You do what you must to survive.
For yourself, for the guy next to you, for the guys there with you.
You do it because you know they will do the same.


Telling your story is a good start, dealing with your PTSD, even late, is better.  A good Shrink can be worth their weight in gold.
Take it one day at a time, it will get better.
Been there.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6567|Mountains of NC

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Going off what Dilbert said

An honest question for SERE and S3v3n and any others with similar experiences (and y'all don't need to answer if you don't want to)

Do you guys regret joining the military because of the things you had to do? Or do you ultimately look back without regret?
I regret nothing, its what I wanted to do since I was 7 years olds


I look back with no regret at all, I've seen and done things most ppl will never be able to fathom and I think I have a better outlook on real life then I did before I went in





I deal with insomnia and faces or smells can give me flashbacks





side note : I do hope my son considers the marines






you take the bad, you take the good
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6528|Global Command
I once asked a 'Nam vet what he thought about politics. He just laughed and said politics had no place in what they did, that it wasn't something that even came up.

I am not trying to minimize what you are saying but, there was no Mi Lai in Iraq. That was a situation where individuals became murderers in Vietnam in an act that was outside their normal duties. Nobody ordered them to kill civilians, they just did. With reporters embedded and a hostile press and strict ROEs I doubt there were very many blatantly illegal killings in Iraq. I wasn't there. Just saying.

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