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since this is in EE and not DAST, imma say  - No. it was inevitable. the start date may have changed. the end date could have changed.
although, not by much as the European theatre ended before the bomb was ready to drop. . .

one bullet started the conflict in 1914 and one bullet drew it to a close in 1945.

quite a tidy and neat operation if you ask me.

ghettoperson wrote:

What was wrong with posting yesterday, out of interest?

tbh

Also, i don't know too much about Europe around that time, but if Hitler didn't come to power, another guy in another country would have. Maybe the dates would be different, but it would have happened.

ghettoperson wrote:

What was wrong with posting yesterday, out of interest?

Me forgetting...

I think it could have been avoided if the other countries did something. Nobody builds up a huge massive army better than everybody else's for no reason.

Really, why?

you think it could have been avoided if the other countries did something... ?

the other countries were all too busy building their own empires during and after the great war. get as much as you can, go go go!

the polarized view that germany = evilll and the rest of the freedom-fighting world = saviors that should "do something" is pretty naive.

... oh jesus christ.

talk to me about the great war / world war II when your understanding doesn't come from 'history simplified for dumbies'.

... i suppose you're glad you yankee-doodles came in on your magic-wings to save europe and do all the work as well, right?

Uzique wrote:

... oh jesus christ.

talk to me about the great war / world war II when your understanding doesn't come from 'history simplified for dumbies'.

... i suppose you're glad you yankee-doodles came in on your magic-wings to save europe and do all the work as well, right?

Fuck I hate it when americans claim they won the war single handedly...

This is too complex to answer with a few sentences but I can make a feeble attempt ...

1.WW2 was in many ways a result of the way WW1 ended - Partially true but not quite, when Germany capitulated it came as a big surprise to both it's citizens and it's soldiers and they never came to term with "loosing" the conflict, the German populace suffered greatly both from the declared loss and the aftermath of a ruined conflict.

2.One popular statement is: Why wasn't Hitler stopped before the war? - Actually most people both inside and outside of Germany thought at the time that most of claims were valid claims, the merger of Austria and Germany was welcomed by the Austrian people that really struggled finding their own identity after Austria-Hungary was divided after WW1. Germany lost a huge chunk of land both to Poland, France and the former republic of Tjekkoslovakia that many French and British politicians thought was rightful to reclaim at the time.

3.Could it have been avoided? and could it have been a shorter war? - I believe it couldn't, it came to be under very special circumstances and if it wasn't Hitler it would prolly have been another ... Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill was very specific that the war had to end the way it did, the surprise of the ending of WW1 was not to be repeated, Germany had to loose and by a clear margin to prevent WW3 to spark off some odd years later.

I recommend this book for in-dept knowledge of the Nazis, how they came to be and how they steered Germany into the abyss.

presidentsheep wrote:

Uzique wrote:

... oh jesus christ.

talk to me about the great war / world war II when your understanding doesn't come from 'history simplified for dumbies'.

... i suppose you're glad you yankee-doodles came in on your magic-wings to save europe and do all the work as well, right?

Fuck I hate it when americans claim they won the war single handedly...

Between the US, UK, an USSR, no two of those nations could have pulled it off alone.  It was a combined effort, no one nation deserves credit for ending the war.

presidentsheep wrote:

=JoD=Corithus wrote:

presidentsheep wrote:

Fuck I hate it when americans claim they won the war single handedly...

Between the US, UK, an USSR, no two of those nations could have pulled it off alone.  It was a combined effort, no one nation deserves credit for ending the war.

I think that eventually the efforts of the UK and USSR would have won the war, it would have just taken a lot more time and lives.
This is why the americans role in WWII was vital, it saved recources time and lives. They didnt swoop in and completely turn the tide of the war.

I'd have to disagree, the British and Soviets fought like hell, but without the lend lease program and endless convoys of supplies from the US, I don't believe they could of held out indefinatly, folks seem to forget that at the end of the war, the Soviets were using almost as many American and British manufactured vehicles and tanks as they were home made variants.  Without Britian, D-Day never would of happened, as it would've had no setting off point, without the Soviets, the full brunt of the German war machine would have overwhelmed North Africa and eventually, England.

interesting read:

http://www.briancuban.com/the-hitler-blood-oath/