Yeah, like 'Essential Air Services' you're benefiting from right now.but I am sure there is an over funded, corrupt govt. program out there that will take my money to through at it though.
My arguments are exactly pro-ambition and personal responsibility if you are trying to tell me it is not then you have not been reading.Dilbert_X wrote:
No YOUR arguments are incoherent ranting, not the basic argument itself.Yeah, like 'Essential Air Services' you're benefiting from right now.but I am sure there is an over funded, corrupt govt. program out there that will take my money to through at it though.
Unfortunately, the liberal opinion that MY money is some how OUR money, beyond normal taxation does harm me and my efforts to support my family.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
lowing why do you hate liberals so much? what bad things did they do to you? i think its ok to have different opinion as long as they dont harm anyone!
really? tell me more. im still undecided between republican(conservative) and democrat(liberal). i want to know which one is the one that hurts america more and which helps america.lowing wrote:
Unfortunately, the liberal opinion that MY money is some how OUR money, beyond normal taxation does harm me and my efforts to support my family.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
lowing why do you hate liberals so much? what bad things did they do to you? i think its ok to have different opinion as long as they dont harm anyone!
Troll.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
really? tell me more. im still undecided between republican(conservative) and democrat(liberal). i want to know which one is the one that hurts america more and which helps america.lowing wrote:
Unfortunately, the liberal opinion that MY money is some how OUR money, beyond normal taxation does harm me and my efforts to support my family.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
lowing why do you hate liberals so much? what bad things did they do to you? i think its ok to have different opinion as long as they dont harm anyone!
I always thought it had something to do with the McCarthy-post-McCarthy idea that left wing (i.e. liberal) = communism = bad.JohnG@lt wrote:
On a side note, how did the word liberal gain such negative connotations in America? I've always viewed it in the classical sense of being open to new ideas. How was it usurped by people who just copy other peoples ideas and claim them as their own? There isn't a single new thought among the 'liberals' in America, just rehashed socialism and a hodgepodge of clashing beliefs. Yes, it resembles the conservatives in that regard (minus the overt socialism) which is why I think so many have become disillusioned with our political system. They really are two sides of the same coin.
Anyway, back to lowing vs the world.
Right, but how did liberal become associated with communism? Communism is the least liberal ideology in the world.Spark wrote:
I always thought it had something to do with the McCarthy-post-McCarthy idea that left wing (i.e. liberal) = communism = bad.JohnG@lt wrote:
On a side note, how did the word liberal gain such negative connotations in America? I've always viewed it in the classical sense of being open to new ideas. How was it usurped by people who just copy other peoples ideas and claim them as their own? There isn't a single new thought among the 'liberals' in America, just rehashed socialism and a hodgepodge of clashing beliefs. Yes, it resembles the conservatives in that regard (minus the overt socialism) which is why I think so many have become disillusioned with our political system. They really are two sides of the same coin.
Anyway, back to lowing vs the world.
Truth be told it is not a matter of good or evil but, a lesser of 2 evils.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
really? tell me more. im still undecided between republican(conservative) and democrat(liberal). i want to know which one is the one that hurts america more and which helps america.lowing wrote:
Unfortunately, the liberal opinion that MY money is some how OUR money, beyond normal taxation does harm me and my efforts to support my family.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
lowing why do you hate liberals so much? what bad things did they do to you? i think its ok to have different opinion as long as they dont harm anyone!
Last edited by lowing (2009-10-14 16:00:31)
Hey, don't ask me. I've always wondered that myselfJohnG@lt wrote:
Right, but how did liberal become associated with communism? Communism is the least liberal ideology in the world.Spark wrote:
I always thought it had something to do with the McCarthy-post-McCarthy idea that left wing (i.e. liberal) = communism = bad.JohnG@lt wrote:
On a side note, how did the word liberal gain such negative connotations in America? I've always viewed it in the classical sense of being open to new ideas. How was it usurped by people who just copy other peoples ideas and claim them as their own? There isn't a single new thought among the 'liberals' in America, just rehashed socialism and a hodgepodge of clashing beliefs. Yes, it resembles the conservatives in that regard (minus the overt socialism) which is why I think so many have become disillusioned with our political system. They really are two sides of the same coin.
Anyway, back to lowing vs the world.
Last edited by Spark (2009-10-14 16:04:58)
You need to ask yourself how endorsement of a giant central govt. taking charge of your life is conductive to liberty?Spark wrote:
Hey, don't ask me. I've always wondered that myselfJohnG@lt wrote:
Right, but how did liberal become associated with communism? Communism is the least liberal ideology in the world.Spark wrote:
I always thought it had something to do with the McCarthy-post-McCarthy idea that left wing (i.e. liberal) = communism = bad.
To be honest, probably the best 'label' that approaches the original, full meaning of liberalism is libertarianism.
Last edited by lowing (2009-10-14 16:06:38)
Which is why I am a libertarianSpark wrote:
Hey, don't ask me. I've always wondered that myselfJohnG@lt wrote:
Right, but how did liberal become associated with communism? Communism is the least liberal ideology in the world.Spark wrote:
I always thought it had something to do with the McCarthy-post-McCarthy idea that left wing (i.e. liberal) = communism = bad.
To be honest, probably the best 'label' that approaches the original, full meaning of liberalism is libertarianism.
PS. I would take lowing's definition of liberalism with a grain of salt. It is very different to everyone else's and always stated with overt connotations of laziness and parasitic behaviour, which is simply wrong.
I don't. None of the liberals here do.lowing wrote:
You need to ask yourself how endorsement of a giant central govt. taking charge of your life is conductive to liberty?Spark wrote:
Hey, don't ask me. I've always wondered that myselfJohnG@lt wrote:
Right, but how did liberal become associated with communism? Communism is the least liberal ideology in the world.
To be honest, probably the best 'label' that approaches the original, full meaning of liberalism is libertarianism.
Like ot or not, iy is what liberals believe.
If that is the case, then you explain how you endorse govt. education, govt. healthcare, govt. retirement, govt. industry etc....All without endorsing a big govt. to control it all.Spark wrote:
I don't. None of the liberals here do.lowing wrote:
You need to ask yourself how endorsement of a giant central govt. taking charge of your life is conductive to liberty?Spark wrote:
Hey, don't ask me. I've always wondered that myself
To be honest, probably the best 'label' that approaches the original, full meaning of liberalism is libertarianism.
Like ot or not, iy is what liberals believe.
I guess we're not real liberals then.
so the first one is kind of like telling you that how much you work/are responsible means how successful you are.lowing wrote:
Truth be told it is not a matter of good or evil but, a lesser of 2 evils.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
really? tell me more. im still undecided between republican(conservative) and democrat(liberal). i want to know which one is the one that hurts america more and which helps america.lowing wrote:
Unfortunately, the liberal opinion that MY money is some how OUR money, beyond normal taxation does harm me and my efforts to support my family.
Traditional conservstives, believe in freedeom and personal responsibility to solve personal problems. They believe in small govt. with individual choice to determain ones destiny. They beleive in equal opportunity not equal results. As a conservative you believe you have absolute freedom to succeed or to fail.
Bottom line if you are going to work for a living and try and build a high quality of life, you should be a conservative.
A liberal believes it is the govts. job to take care of its citizens. They believe in order to accomplish this, a huge central govt. is needed with huge funding. This funding is taken through various tax programs that remove individual wealth and place it in control of the govt for redistribution to the masses. Problem with this ideology is, it removes all incentive to achieve. Why work so hard if the govt. is going to take it anyway?
This syatem also drives big business out of our country and takes their (reasonable) taxable profits with them.
Bottomline this is a system that is a setup for failure, andlike my quote says, eventually you run out of other peoples money. CA. and MD are perfect examples of this. Google millionaires leaving MD, and CA speaks for itself.
However, the Republican party has been no better than the Denocrats. This is something that will be resolved Voices are being heard.
The military is part of the government and you support expanding the military...lowing wrote:
If that is the case, then you explain how you endorse govt. education, govt. healthcare, govt. retirement, govt. industry etc....All without endorsing a big govt. to control it all.Spark wrote:
I don't. None of the liberals here do.lowing wrote:
You need to ask yourself how endorsement of a giant central govt. taking charge of your life is conductive to liberty?
Like ot or not, iy is what liberals believe.
I guess we're not real liberals then.
Yes you are real liberals, it would appear you just don't like it pointed out.
Never mind the fact that I did not use the words lazyiness, or parasitic behavior in my explaination.Spark wrote:
Hey, don't ask me. I've always wondered that myselfJohnG@lt wrote:
Right, but how did liberal become associated with communism? Communism is the least liberal ideology in the world.Spark wrote:
I always thought it had something to do with the McCarthy-post-McCarthy idea that left wing (i.e. liberal) = communism = bad.
To be honest, probably the best 'label' that approaches the original, full meaning of liberalism is libertarianism.
PS. I would take lowing's definition of liberalism with a grain of salt. It is very different to everyone else's and always stated with overt connotations of laziness and parasitic behaviour, which is simply wrong.
National security is a function of govt, not retirement or healthcare.JohnG@lt wrote:
The military is part of the government and you support expanding the military...lowing wrote:
If that is the case, then you explain how you endorse govt. education, govt. healthcare, govt. retirement, govt. industry etc....All without endorsing a big govt. to control it all.Spark wrote:
I don't. None of the liberals here do.
I guess we're not real liberals then.
Yes you are real liberals, it would appear you just don't like it pointed out.
But you want it expanded.lowing wrote:
National security is a function of govt, not retirement or healthcare.JohnG@lt wrote:
The military is part of the government and you support expanding the military...lowing wrote:
If that is the case, then you explain how you endorse govt. education, govt. healthcare, govt. retirement, govt. industry etc....All without endorsing a big govt. to control it all.
Yes you are real liberals, it would appear you just don't like it pointed out.
the first one you are rewarded for your efforts.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
so the first one is kind of like telling you that how much you work/are responsible means how successful you are.lowing wrote:
Truth be told it is not a matter of good or evil but, a lesser of 2 evils.k1l|er_0f_m3n wrote:
really? tell me more. im still undecided between republican(conservative) and democrat(liberal). i want to know which one is the one that hurts america more and which helps america.
Traditional Conservatives, believe in freedom and personal responsibility to solve personal problems. They believe in small govt. with individual choice to determine ones destiny. They believe in equal opportunity not equal results. As a conservative you believe you have absolute freedom to succeed or to fail.
Bottom line if you are going to work for a living and try and build a high quality of life, you should be a conservative.
A liberal believes it is the govts. job to take care of its citizens. They believe in order to accomplish this, a huge central govt. is needed with huge funding. This funding is taken through various tax programs that remove individual wealth and place it in control of the govt for redistribution to the masses. Problem with this ideology is, it removes all incentive to achieve. Why work so hard if the govt. is going to take it anyway?
This system also drives big business out of our country and takes their (reasonable) taxable profits with them.
Bottom line this is a system that is a setup for failure, and like my quote says, eventually you run out of other peoples money. CA. and MD are perfect examples of this. Google millionaires leaving MD, and CA speaks for itself.
However, the Republican party has been no better than the Democrats. This is something that will be resolved voices are being heard.
while liberal society/gov't takes other peoples work and gives it away so noone wants to work as hard.
Never said that.JohnG@lt wrote:
But you want it expanded.lowing wrote:
National security is a function of govt, not retirement or healthcare.JohnG@lt wrote:
The military is part of the government and you support expanding the military...
No offense dude, but you seem to worship at the feet of Hannity. You'll probably deny it but I hear the exact same arguments typed here that I hear him spew on the radio. If I ever hear one more person claim that they want to shrink government without shrinking the military I'm going to scream.lowing wrote:
Never said that.JohnG@lt wrote:
But you want it expanded.lowing wrote:
National security is a function of govt, not retirement or healthcare.
Are you actually suggesting you've never used the words "lazy" or "parasite" in conjunction with liberalism?lowing wrote:
Never mind the fact that I did not use the words lazyiness, or parasitic behavior in my explaination.Spark wrote:
Hey, don't ask me. I've always wondered that myselfJohnG@lt wrote:
Right, but how did liberal become associated with communism? Communism is the least liberal ideology in the world.
To be honest, probably the best 'label' that approaches the original, full meaning of liberalism is libertarianism.
PS. I would take lowing's definition of liberalism with a grain of salt. It is very different to everyone else's and always stated with overt connotations of laziness and parasitic behaviour, which is simply wrong.
