Card for before DX11 cards(and the wait for lower costs)

2009-08-27 13:24:38

#1

nickb64: formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]; +77|5607|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

What would be the best relatively cheap GFX card I could get if I want good performance and want to wait for DX11 before getting a really nice card???

GTX 260 or something else???

I can get a GTX 260 for ~$145 @ newegg, or a comparable HD4870 for the same...

I'm currently leaning to Nvidia, but am not set on anything either...

I just want to play BF2, Empire: Total War, and other stuff until BF3 and I don't really want to go more than ~$150-175 since DX11 is just around the corner...

Build's Likely specs:

CPU: Phenom 2 940/955 w/ Xigmatek Dark Knight or Scythe Mugen 2
Mobo: GA-MA790X-UD4P
RAM: OCZ Platinum AMD Special 8GB ddr2 1066/OCZ Gold DDR2 1066
PSU: Corsair 620W modular
Case: Cooler Master 590 w/ 5-6 fans
OS: Vista Home Premiumx64/7 Home Premium x64
Monitor: ASUS 22" 2ms Widescreen
HDD: Samsung f1 1TB
GFX: ???

Cost w/o GFX: ~$1310

Budget for now(excluding DX11 upgrade costs): ~$1450-1500

Also:
I could get the system I'm looking at from a builder as a custom set up for ~$50-100 more than if I build it myself. Is a 3 year warranty potentially worth that $50-100???

(I'm not really good at tech stuff, but I know people who work in Tech fields, who could probably be of more help for tech support)

idk if it's worth extra for warranty coverage

2009-08-27 14:17:42

#2

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|5785|Catherine Black

Why don't you wait for DX11 and watch the DX10 card prices drop?

2009-08-27 14:54:37

#3

alexb: <3; +590|5936|Kentucky, USA

DX11 isn't that far away; I'd honestly wait.

2009-08-27 14:54:48

#4

FloppY_: +1,010|6282|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

CERTAINLY NOT GTX260

You can get a 4850X2 for practically nothing these days, and the thing is a beast ! outperforms even the GTX280

otherwise get a 4850 or 4870

EDIT: Also, have a look at the OC-Z Vendetta II CPU cooler, I have it and I love it !

Last edited by FloppY_ (2009-08-27 14:55:54)

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2009-08-28 01:16:03

#5

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|6655|BC, Canada

dx11 drops for consumers in october dx10 prices will drop huge then. if you can play bf2 on your current rig, wait and save. but if all you want is bf2... a 9800 or 4850 will more than max that out for less than 100 CAD. Less if you buy from newegg.com's open box section.

2009-08-28 03:58:45

#6

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6561|Area 51

FloppY_ wrote:
EDIT: Also, have a look at the OC-Z Vendetta II CPU cooler, I have it and I love it !

Kickass cooler isn't it?

2009-08-28 04:58:33

#7

FloppY_: +1,010|6282|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

RDMC wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
EDIT: Also, have a look at the OC-Z Vendetta II CPU cooler, I have it and I love it !
Kickass cooler isn't it?

Sure is

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2009-08-28 09:54:15

#8

Jussimies: Finnish commander whore; +76|6581|Finland

If I was you, I'd wait for DX11. I was going to say that take PII 965 because it is the same price as PII 955 but then I looked at Newegg and saw that 955 is like 60$ cheaper. Anyways they are booth around 220€ in here.

2009-08-28 10:10:43

#9

nickb64: formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]; +77|5607|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

Jussimies wrote:
If I was you, I'd wait for DX11. I was going to say that take PII 965 because it is the same price as PII 955 but then I looked at Newegg and saw that 955 is like 60$ cheaper. Anyways they are booth around 220€ in here.

I was thinking about it, but I read the reviews, and one of the people said just to up the multiplier a little and it's basically a 965 for $60 less.

2009-08-28 10:21:19

#10

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6411|Finland

FloppY_ wrote:
CERTAINLY NOT GTX260

You can get a 4850X2 for practically nothing these days, and the thing is a beast ! outperforms even the GTX280

otherwise get a 4850 or 4870

EDIT: Also, have a look at the OC-Z Vendetta II CPU cooler, I have it and I love it !

Certainly NOT HD4850X2. Its loud, hot and there is absolutely no reason to get multi-GPU in mid-range when you just could get HD 4890.

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2009-08-28 10:51:42

#11

nickb64: formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]; +77|5607|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
CERTAINLY NOT GTX260

You can get a 4850X2 for practically nothing these days, and the thing is a beast ! outperforms even the GTX280

otherwise get a 4850 or 4870

EDIT: Also, have a look at the OC-Z Vendetta II CPU cooler, I have it and I love it !
Certainly NOT HD4850X2. Its loud, hot and there is absolutely no reason to get multi-GPU in mid-range when you just could get HD 4890.

Especially since the first 16 cheapest 4890's are cheaper on newegg than 4850x2...

2009-08-28 11:37:52

#12

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6411|Finland

But I would really recommend wait a bit for the DX11 cards. I wouldn't buy a graphics card atm unless I absolutely had to.

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2009-08-28 12:12:29

#13

nickb64: formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]; +77|5607|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

Sadly, I doubt I will be able to do anything on this build until about January at the earliest, so I am definitely going to think about DX11 cards when we get more specs, as long as they are not too insanely out of my price range.

2009-08-28 12:47:10

#14

Ryan: Member; +1,230|6840|Alberta, Canada

I'm so far behind with technology. One day, I opened the Future Shop flyer and seen that desktop computers came with 8GB of RAM. Wtf, where was I when this happened? I though 4 was a lot, and I only have 2GB in my computer.

2009-08-28 12:53:08

#15

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|6655|BC, Canada

Ryan wrote:
I'm so far behind with technology. One day, I opened the Future Shop flyer and seen that desktop computers came with 8GB of RAM. Wtf, where was I when this happened? I though 4 was a lot, and I only have 2GB in my computer.

yeah but thats oem's packing more cheap ram into a comp than people need so they can sell the comp for $300 extra.

2009-08-28 13:01:27

#16

nickb64: formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]; +77|5607|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

Nic wrote:
Ryan wrote:
I'm so far behind with technology. One day, I opened the Future Shop flyer and seen that desktop computers came with 8GB of RAM. Wtf, where was I when this happened? I though 4 was a lot, and I only have 2GB in my computer.
yeah but thats oem's packing more cheap ram into a comp than people need so they can sell the comp for $300 extra.

This.

I only have 1GB.

2009-08-29 02:08:23

#17

FloppY_: +1,010|6282|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

nickb64 wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
CERTAINLY NOT GTX260

You can get a 4850X2 for practically nothing these days, and the thing is a beast ! outperforms even the GTX280

otherwise get a 4850 or 4870

EDIT: Also, have a look at the OC-Z Vendetta II CPU cooler, I have it and I love it !
Certainly NOT HD4850X2. Its loud, hot and there is absolutely no reason to get multi-GPU in mid-range when you just could get HD 4890.
Especially since the first 16 cheapest 4890's are cheaper on newegg than 4850x2...

4850x2 is quite abit faster than a single 4890 AND it is cheaper !

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2009-08-29 04:08:44

#18

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6411|Finland

FloppY_ wrote:
nickb64 wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Certainly NOT HD4850X2. Its loud, hot and there is absolutely no reason to get multi-GPU in mid-range when you just could get HD 4890.
Especially since the first 16 cheapest 4890's are cheaper on newegg than 4850x2...
4850x2 is quite abit faster than a single 4890 AND it is cheaper !

Hahah it runs out of memory even at 1680x1050, crossfire issues, very loud, hot....

Its a thing of past. Freak. There has never been any point in getting multi-GPU for midrange and there will not be before many flaws are fixed.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-08-29 04:09:20)

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2009-08-29 15:44:38

#19

FloppY_: +1,010|6282|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
nickb64 wrote:

Especially since the first 16 cheapest 4890's are cheaper on newegg than 4850x2...
4850x2 is quite abit faster than a single 4890 AND it is cheaper !
Hahah it runs out of memory even at 1680x1050, crossfire issues, very loud, hot....

Its a thing of past. Freak. There has never been any point in getting multi-GPU for midrange and there will not be before many flaws are fixed.

I think it was 9.1 that fixed Crossfire

and 4850X2 comes with 2Gigs of ram

Multi GPU on a single card is the way to go for max performance... going multi-card tho' that is a waste

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2009-08-29 17:00:07

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acdc: Member; +37|6572|SEATTLE, WA

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814130339

Good card before DX11, would resell on craigslist well.

2009-08-30 07:25:57

#21

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6411|Finland

FloppY_ wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
4850x2 is quite abit faster than a single 4890 AND it is cheaper !
Hahah it runs out of memory even at 1680x1050, crossfire issues, very loud, hot....

Its a thing of past. Freak. There has never been any point in getting multi-GPU for midrange and there will not be before many flaws are fixed.
I think it was 9.1 that fixed Crossfire

and 4850X2 comes with 2Gigs of ram

Multi GPU on a single card is the way to go for max performance... going multi-card tho' that is a waste

You don't seem to know much about multi-GPU, so please don't continue. 9.1 cat was only CPU utilization fix, the 1GB 4850X2 runs out of memory, 2GB HD 4850X2 is more expensive than the HD 4890 (which is around 160€-170€ atm btw), and that last line is totally absurd and doesn't make sense at all because X2 cards are basically same as 2 different cards...

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-08-30 07:28:09)

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2009-08-30 07:32:03

#22

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6578|SE London

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
nickb64 wrote:

Especially since the first 16 cheapest 4890's are cheaper on newegg than 4850x2...
4850x2 is quite abit faster than a single 4890 AND it is cheaper !
Hahah it runs out of memory even at 1680x1050, crossfire issues, very loud, hot....

Its a thing of past. Freak. There has never been any point in getting multi-GPU for midrange and there will not be before many flaws are fixed.

I dunno, there was a point when dual 9600GTs looked quite attractive for mid-range....

But in general I completely agree.

2009-08-30 15:58:38

#23

FloppY_: +1,010|6282|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Hahah it runs out of memory even at 1680x1050, crossfire issues, very loud, hot....

Its a thing of past. Freak. There has never been any point in getting multi-GPU for midrange and there will not be before many flaws are fixed.
I think it was 9.1 that fixed Crossfire

and 4850X2 comes with 2Gigs of ram

Multi GPU on a single card is the way to go for max performance... going multi-card tho' that is a waste
You don't seem to know much about multi-GPU, so please don't continue. 9.1 cat was only CPU utilization fix, the 1GB 4850X2 runs out of memory, 2GB HD 4850X2 is more expensive than the HD 4890 (which is around 160€-170€ atm btw), and that last line is totally absurd and doesn't make sense at all because X2 cards are basically same as 2 different cards...

sigh, we will never agree on anything tech related -.-

and is there any particular reason for you allways having to bash people who dont agree with you?

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

2009-08-30 23:04:38

#24

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6411|Finland

FloppY_ wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
I think it was 9.1 that fixed Crossfire

and 4850X2 comes with 2Gigs of ram

Multi GPU on a single card is the way to go for max performance... going multi-card tho' that is a waste
You don't seem to know much about multi-GPU, so please don't continue. 9.1 cat was only CPU utilization fix, the 1GB 4850X2 runs out of memory, 2GB HD 4850X2 is more expensive than the HD 4890 (which is around 160€-170€ atm btw), and that last line is totally absurd and doesn't make sense at all because X2 cards are basically same as 2 different cards...
sigh, we will never agree on anything tech related -.-

and is there any particular reason for you allways having to bash people who dont agree with you?

I don't agree with you because you just got it wrong. Get facts right and one day we'll agree on something.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_4 … e_load.gif

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-08-30 23:09:38)

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2009-08-31 06:00:28

#25

FloppY_: +1,010|6282|Denmark aka Automotive Hell

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

You don't seem to know much about multi-GPU, so please don't continue. 9.1 cat was only CPU utilization fix, the 1GB 4850X2 runs out of memory, 2GB HD 4850X2 is more expensive than the HD 4890 (which is around 160€-170€ atm btw), and that last line is totally absurd and doesn't make sense at all because X2 cards are basically same as 2 different cards...
sigh, we will never agree on anything tech related -.-

and is there any particular reason for you allways having to bash people who dont agree with you?
I don't agree with you because you just got it wrong. Get facts right and one day we'll agree on something.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_4 … e_load.gif

that chart is max db

It's not like those fans are running 100% all the time... my 4870 Toxic has 1x of the same fan.. it is barely audible...

Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me

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