what?ATG wrote:
Clearly these guys are in a league with Led Zepplin, The Carpenters and Pink Floyd.
sweet! glad you lurved
i saw them on another tour a few years ago with blink 182 and they blew 182 out of the water - shouldnt have been touring together in the first place
and yes lots of kids and parents that was kind of awkward
i saw them on another tour a few years ago with blink 182 and they blew 182 out of the water - shouldnt have been touring together in the first place
and yes lots of kids and parents that was kind of awkward
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lol.ATG wrote:
I'm a musician so I know.
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They're terrible and pretty much the definition of sellout.
Look at the change from Dookie --> American Idiot.
@ Defiance: He's made a thread about greenday before and their efforts (or someone else did and he posted in it), so I don't really think he's sarcastic at all. Perhaps we're all getting trolled.
Look at the change from Dookie --> American Idiot.
@ Defiance: He's made a thread about greenday before and their efforts (or someone else did and he posted in it), so I don't really think he's sarcastic at all. Perhaps we're all getting trolled.
If I don't think of this thread and ATG's opinions of green day (No, I won't fucking capitalize the name!) as sarcasm, then I risk serious physical harm. It's just a mental safety thing.Bevo wrote:
@ Defiance: He's made a thread about greenday before and their efforts (or someone else did and he posted in it), so I don't really think he's sarcastic at all. Perhaps we're all getting trolled.
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sellout. i thought of it as mainstreaming - no difference. after superhits didn't matter anyways.Bevo wrote:
They're terrible and pretty much the definition of sellout.
Look at the change from Dookie --> American Idiot.
when any band makes a 'best of' album, they're done.
There's nothing inherently wrong with "selling out". That's a pretty tired phrase that makes it seem like bands aren't allowed to go after big bucks and a larger audience. It's rather elitist to think that since you heard a band before someone else did, or when they were "underground" that it gives you some sort of superior advantage or that the band should stay with that small group of fans.
There's a difference between "selling out" and watering/dumbing down your act/style to cater to a wider audience or because a record executive told you that's how to get signed and/or make a lot of money.
There's a difference between "selling out" and watering/dumbing down your act/style to cater to a wider audience or because a record executive told you that's how to get signed and/or make a lot of money.
Wwwwwwwwwwwhat?!?!? but....wait..mehhhh.. thanks ATG, you just gave me an aneurysm. I'm glad you enjoyed yourself but I think you had too much "jazz" in your cigarette. Oh and the Carpenters?? ffs man.ATG wrote:
Clearly these guys are in a league with Led Zepplin, The Carpenters and Pink Floyd.
Yeah, Green Day were fun when they made harmless pop-punk (see the '90s)...then when they all started wearing makeup and trying to be political, it all went downhill...SirSchloppy wrote:
Hmm, their recent albums, American Idiot, and the new one, are a load of drivel.
Give me Dookie and Kerplunk any day.
I'm fed up of their political moaning.
How can you compare Green Day to Pink Floyd ... ?
I do find Green Day's constant and incessant political/social babbling a little condescending and patronizing... I leave their pseudo-serious whinery to the appreciation of 14 year old punk acolytes that are easily impressed by that bullshit.
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I used to like Green Day. Then they stared using eye liner and wearing ties.
Red Forman wrote:
roflATG wrote:
Clearly these guys are in a league with Led Zepplin, The Carpenters and Pink Floyd.
Superior Mind wrote:
I used to like Green Day. Then they stared using eye liner and wearing ties.
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Red Forman wrote:
roflATG wrote:
Clearly these guys are in a league with Led Zepplin, The Carpenters and Pink Floyd.
Oh yea and, Rise Against > Green Day, even though they are PETAfags.
loooooooooooooooool
It's not the "I was first" thing, it's the "they were good, then they gained popularity and turned to shit" thing. See Rise Against. See Black Eyed Peas.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
There's nothing inherently wrong with "selling out". That's a pretty tired phrase that makes it seem like bands aren't allowed to go after big bucks and a larger audience. It's rather elitist to think that since you heard a band before someone else did, or when they were "underground" that it gives you some sort of superior advantage or that the band should stay with that small group of fans.
There's a difference between "selling out" and watering/dumbing down your act/style to cater to a wider audience or because a record executive told you that's how to get signed and/or make a lot of money.
I'm sorry, but the only time Black Eyed Peas were ever good was when Fergie was a 17 year old meth-addict and Will.i.am was never making music.
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I was probably around 13, so take it with a grain of salt.Uzique wrote:
I'm sorry, but the only time Black Eyed Peas were ever good was when Fergie was a 17 year old meth-addict and Will.i.am was never making music.
But their new radio single - Feeling something... terrible. I completely lol'd at "boom boom pow", considering that other track they did with James Brown. "They don't want music - they just want boom boom boom boom boom."
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So all musicians share your point of view on LZ?ATG wrote:
Oh noes, I am dead serious.
And, Carpenters>Zeplin.
I'm a musician so I know. Zeplins is overrated garbage.
Haha whatever. I remember when they were on Lookout! Records (same label as Op Ivy) back in the day...they were still not that great. I liked Dookie because it was a catchy album and I was 13, but it doesn't make it good music. It's more likely that you heard them first when your music taste wasn't as refined as it is now and that album has a certain air of nostalgia for you. It's the same for me when I hear Carousel by Blink182 - shitty shitty band, but I remember listening to Cheshire Cat when I was 14 and I thought I was so badass because I listened to this wannabe punk band that no one had heard of.Bevo wrote:
It's not the "I was first" thing, it's the "they were good, then they gained popularity and turned to shit" thing. See Rise Against. See Black Eyed Peas.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
There's nothing inherently wrong with "selling out". That's a pretty tired phrase that makes it seem like bands aren't allowed to go after big bucks and a larger audience. It's rather elitist to think that since you heard a band before someone else did, or when they were "underground" that it gives you some sort of superior advantage or that the band should stay with that small group of fans.
There's a difference between "selling out" and watering/dumbing down your act/style to cater to a wider audience or because a record executive told you that's how to get signed and/or make a lot of money.
That's probably part of the disparity, but they lost their punk roots. They became more moderate, like you said trying to appeal to a larger audience.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Haha whatever. I remember when they were on Lookout! Records (same label as Op Ivy) back in the day...they were still not that great. I liked Dookie because it was a catchy album and I was 13, but it doesn't make it good music. It's more likely that you heard them first when your music taste wasn't as refined as it is now and that album has a certain air of nostalgia for you. It's the same for me when I hear Carousel by Blink182 - shitty shitty band, but I remember listening to Cheshire Cat when I was 14 and I thought I was so badass because I listened to this wannabe punk band that no one had heard of.
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I mean when my musical taste very first started to develop, in those early foetal stages where you basically listen to anything that comes into your grasp that isn't radio-fodder, I was a fan of bands like CKY and Deftones. I can still listen to both bands now and recognise and 'enjoy' every single song, but that's not necessarily because it is good music. Rose-tinted glasses... only for hearing, not sight. Errm, yeah.
I mean when my musical taste very first started to develop, in those early foetal stages where you basically listen to anything that comes into your grasp that isn't radio-fodder, I was a fan of bands like CKY and Deftones. I can still listen to both bands now and recognise and 'enjoy' every single song, but that's not necessarily because it is good music. Rose-tinted glasses... only for hearing, not sight. Errm, yeah.
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