Torture or perfectly acceptable interrogation method? I'm guessing it is pretty scary to think you are going to get shot in the face or drilled to death in nonsexual way but could that be considered torture?A long-suppressed report by the Central Intelligence Agency's inspector general to be released next week reveals that CIA interrogators staged mock executions as part of the agency's post-9/11 program to detain and question terror suspects, NEWSWEEK has learned.
According to two sources—one who has read a draft of the paper and one who was briefed on it—the report describes how one detainee, suspected USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, was threatened with a gun and a power drill during the course of CIA interrogation. According to the sources, who like others quoted in this article asked not to be named while discussing sensitive information, Nashiri's interrogators brandished the gun in an effort to convince him that he was going to be shot. Interrogators also turned on a power drill and held it near him. "The purpose was to scare him into giving [information] up," said one of the sources. A federal law banning the use of torture expressly forbids threatening a detainee with "imminent death."
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Of course it's considered torture. In fact mock executions are specifically outlined as being prohibited in various international anti-torture legislation.Macbeth wrote:
Torture or perfectly acceptable interrogation method? I'm guessing it is pretty scary to think you are going to get shot in the face or drilled to death in nonsexual way but could that be considered torture?A long-suppressed report by the Central Intelligence Agency's inspector general to be released next week reveals that CIA interrogators staged mock executions as part of the agency's post-9/11 program to detain and question terror suspects, NEWSWEEK has learned.
According to two sources—one who has read a draft of the paper and one who was briefed on it—the report describes how one detainee, suspected USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, was threatened with a gun and a power drill during the course of CIA interrogation. According to the sources, who like others quoted in this article asked not to be named while discussing sensitive information, Nashiri's interrogators brandished the gun in an effort to convince him that he was going to be shot. Interrogators also turned on a power drill and held it near him. "The purpose was to scare him into giving [information] up," said one of the sources. A federal law banning the use of torture expressly forbids threatening a detainee with "imminent death."
The opening line of the Wiki article on mock executions:
A mock execution is a method of psychological torture, whereby the subject is made to believe that he is being led to his execution.
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Obviously its torture, and that makes the CIA shitheads.
Fuck Israel
If it prevents another 9/11 then go for it
tightened domestic security will prevent another 9/11. You know security checks and what not.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Don't be silly method. torturing innocents for information will stop another 9/11 geez.m3thod wrote:
tightened domestic security will prevent another 9/11. You know security checks and what not.
i know what was i thinking.Vilham wrote:
Don't be silly method. torturing innocents for information will stop another 9/11 geez.m3thod wrote:
tightened domestic security will prevent another 9/11. You know security checks and what not.
Tally ho! Ahead with the waterboarding chaps, it's our only choice.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Im not suprised.
Its almost an expectation of mine that there is a shitton of stuff that the CIA does that we dont know about.
This being an example.
Its almost an expectation of mine that there is a shitton of stuff that the CIA does that we dont know about.
This being an example.
noice 
The CIA kinda remind me of the secret police the nazis used to have.
But where does it stop? Sure you might justify the torture of a suspected terrorist in order to prevent an attack.-=]NS[=-Eagle wrote:
If it prevents another 9/11 then go for it
But then why can't we torture this man? and this one? and this one? and why can't we just lock detainees up without evidence? why don't we just kill this one? Once you start, its hard to go back.
Also, torture is not always helpful anyway. A man will say anything to make the torture stop. He'll admit to things he didn't do, he'll tell of attacks that aren't even real, accuse people who had nothing to be with terrorism. So really what you're getting is a whole lot of mostly useless information, and it is hard to decipher what is truthful and what isn't
Red Scare, tbh.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
But where does it stop? Sure you might justify the torture of a suspected terrorist in order to prevent an attack.-=]NS[=-Eagle wrote:
If it prevents another 9/11 then go for it
But then why can't we torture this man? and this one? and this one? and why can't we just lock detainees up without evidence? why don't we just kill this one? Once you start, its hard to go back.
Also, torture is not always helpful anyway. A man will say anything to make the torture stop. He'll admit to things he didn't do, he'll tell of attacks that aren't even real, accuse people who had nothing to be with terrorism. So really what you're getting is a whole lot of mostly useless information, and it is hard to decipher what is truthful and what isn't
EE (hats
Usually they outsource shit like that to Egypt and Libya where torture is legal.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
But where does it stop? Sure you might justify the torture of a suspected terrorist in order to prevent an attack.-=]NS[=-Eagle wrote:
If it prevents another 9/11 then go for it
But then why can't we torture this man? and this one? and this one? and why can't we just lock detainees up without evidence? why don't we just kill this one? Once you start, its hard to go back.
Also, torture is not always helpful anyway. A man will say anything to make the torture stop. He'll admit to things he didn't do, he'll tell of attacks that aren't even real, accuse people who had nothing to be with terrorism. So really what you're getting is a whole lot of mostly useless information, and it is hard to decipher what is truthful and what isn't
Here's how torture works... Don't get caught doing it.
It would be rather remarkable if we were the only First World country that used torture. The truth of the matter seems to be that we're just really shitty at hiding it.
It would be rather remarkable if we were the only First World country that used torture. The truth of the matter seems to be that we're just really shitty at hiding it.
Because people dig the US too much, saying it's the next Nazi Germany. The more popular you get as a country, the more shit people will dig. I'm sure Belgium has their fair share of torture methods.Turquoise wrote:
Here's how torture works... Don't get caught doing it.
It would be rather remarkable if we were the only First World country that used torture. The truth of the matter seems to be that we're just really shitty at hiding it.
The CIA, and I would say every other gov't out there.... its just weird cause its not a enemy solider, its a suspect.
Yeah great example, Belguim, a traditionally neutral country who's last involvement in a war was WWII - and that wasn't by choice. I'm sure they torture people left, right and center.Cybargs wrote:
Because people dig the US too much, saying it's the next Nazi Germany. The more popular you get as a country, the more shit people will dig. I'm sure Belgium has their fair share of torture methods.Turquoise wrote:
Here's how torture works... Don't get caught doing it.
It would be rather remarkable if we were the only First World country that used torture. The truth of the matter seems to be that we're just really shitty at hiding it.
Any country would use these methods to facilitate getting information from people if they proved too difficult to extract it from. People seem to have a fairytale view of many countries, believing that they would never use these methods. If it could help stop something major, they would, regardless of if they condemn it.
Every country has some dark shit. Even New Zealand. After my dad worked as a diplomat for Australia, he told me all the backdoor deals and shady shit a lot of country do, sure some sheets are whiter, but every country has pissed their sheets once in a while.ghettoperson wrote:
Yeah great example, Belguim, a traditionally neutral country who's last involvement in a war was WWII - and that wasn't by choice. I'm sure they torture people left, right and center.Cybargs wrote:
Because people dig the US too much, saying it's the next Nazi Germany. The more popular you get as a country, the more shit people will dig. I'm sure Belgium has their fair share of torture methods.Turquoise wrote:
Here's how torture works... Don't get caught doing it.
It would be rather remarkable if we were the only First World country that used torture. The truth of the matter seems to be that we're just really shitty at hiding it.
Shooting a gun in another cell is not a mock execution.
Tying some guy to a pole, blindfolding him and shooting blanks at him (with him not knowing they are blanks)...is.
There is a difference. What was described in the article was not a mock execution. It was wrong in many ways...but not a mock execution.
Tying some guy to a pole, blindfolding him and shooting blanks at him (with him not knowing they are blanks)...is.
There is a difference. What was described in the article was not a mock execution. It was wrong in many ways...but not a mock execution.
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Pretty much. Although I'd probably use the U.K., France, and Germany as examples rather than Belgium. It's usually the big power players that do the shadiest stuff. Belgium is probably one of the more ethical countries out there, but I could be wrong.Cybargs wrote:
Every country has some dark shit. Even New Zealand. After my dad worked as a diplomat for Australia, he told me all the backdoor deals and shady shit a lot of country do, sure some sheets are whiter, but every country has pissed their sheets once in a while.ghettoperson wrote:
Yeah great example, Belguim, a traditionally neutral country who's last involvement in a war was WWII - and that wasn't by choice. I'm sure they torture people left, right and center.Cybargs wrote:
Because people dig the US too much, saying it's the next Nazi Germany. The more popular you get as a country, the more shit people will dig. I'm sure Belgium has their fair share of torture methods.
Considering our enemy prefers real executions, i don't understand all the fuss. Who thinks getting captured and interrogated by your enemies is supposed to be all hugs and roses?FEOS wrote:
Shooting a gun in another cell is not a mock execution.
Tying some guy to a pole, blindfolding him and shooting blanks at him (with him not knowing they are blanks)...is.
There is a difference. What was described in the article was not a mock execution. It was wrong in many ways...but not a mock execution.
I'm with S. Lythberg on this one.
The US blubbed like crazy when their diplomats and soldiers were subjected to mock executions by the Iranians, calling it torture.
Now its all fine and a normal part of intel gathering.
Double standards FTW.
Now its all fine and a normal part of intel gathering.
Double standards FTW.
Fuck Israel
fuck dude, you do what you gotta do
The cost of torture do not outweigh the benefits here imo.
I think we have better ways of gathering information. Ones that don't involve compromising what most of us stand for. Our ancestors DIED to maintain our integrity. That's because there are things worse than death. ..like becoming something you hate.
I think we have better ways of gathering information. Ones that don't involve compromising what most of us stand for. Our ancestors DIED to maintain our integrity. That's because there are things worse than death. ..like becoming something you hate.
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