Turn in your friends and family today!

2009-08-05 18:57:59

#1

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7008

This is posted on the whitehouse website... So if you see an email that questions healthcare...
make sure to flag it and send an email to the Prez...

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts-Ar … rn-Things/

Is it cool that people are being encouraged to turn in other people if they have differing views than the Prez?

more on this
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/polit … llist.html
"By requesting that citizens send "fishy" emails to the White House, it is inevitable that the names, email addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported to the White House. You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection program. As Congress debates health care reform and other critical policy matters, citizen engagement must not be chilled by fear of government monitoring the exercise of free speech rights.

I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward emails critical of his policies to the White House. I suspect that you would have been leading the charge in condemning such a program--and I would have been at your side denouncing such heavy-handed government action.

So I urge you to cease this program immediately. At the very least, I request that you detail to Congress and the public the protocols that your White House is following to purge the names, email addresses, IP addresses, and identities of citizens who are reported to have engaged in "fishy" speech. And I respectfully request an answer to the following:"

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2009-08-05 18:59:53)

Love is the answer

2009-08-05 19:01:20

#2

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6703|'Murka

Heard about this on the way home today.

The administration is also sending out e-mails talking about how the "grass roots efforts" resulting in the denouncing of this project at the Congressional "town hall meetings" are actually organized events, sponsored by lobbyists and activist groups.

Made me think: I guess "community organizing" is fine to qualify you to be President, but it's not allowed if that community is organized to prevent you from doing what you want whether the American people want it or not.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-08-05 19:01:46

#3

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6821|Global Command

sig heil

2009-08-05 19:04:37

#4

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5877

Sounds like you send them an email with questionable info about his health care plan they'll send you back a retort email to counter point or correct the email.

2009-08-05 19:05:46

#5

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6445|what

Haven't you noticed how completely untrue and misleading chain mails can be?

It's probably something that they are trying to counter. Unless you think a chain mail is more reliable than a government document.

2009-08-05 19:08:44

#6

mcgid1: Meh...; +129|7008|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX

Most of what he has said over the last week or so regarding his health care plan and the opposition to it has caused me to go from "didn't vote for him, don't care for his policies, but he's in power so there's not much I can do" to "time to build a bunker and stock up on the guns and ammo". The scary part of this is that you could almost see it coming, in the way that he has been trying to pass legislation by demonizing something then making laws against it, I just don't think anyone ever thought it would go this far. There is a huge difference between demonizing companies corporations and demonizing American citizens who are opposed to a bill you want to pass.

2009-08-05 19:10:32

#7

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7008

AussieReaper wrote:
Haven't you noticed how completely untrue and misleading chain mails can be?

It's probably something that they are trying to counter. Unless you think a chain mail is more reliable than a government document.

Chainmails are usually ridiculous... But would you want to go on a list(possibly) if you recieved or sent info on something you opposed that the govt was trying to impose?

Obama was a frigging community organizer... he should be proud that communities are getting organized
to try and stop the insanity of socialist healthcare...

There are real solutions to healthcare... Fix what we have... and not role the dice on something
that by all accounts will be extremely inefficient and beyond expensive...

Love is the answer

2009-08-05 19:10:40

#8

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5877

ITT paranoia.

2009-08-05 19:11:07

#9

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6703|'Murka

AussieReaper wrote:
Haven't you noticed how completely untrue and misleading chain mails can be?

It's probably something that they are trying to counter. Unless you think a chain mail is more reliable than a government document.

We are talking about the US federal government here...you're not far off, Reaper.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-08-05 19:12:09

#10

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6703|'Murka

mcgid1 wrote:
"time to build a bunker and stock up on the guns and ammo".

Don't forget to cling to your religion while you're at it.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-08-05 19:17:03

#11

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6445|what

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Haven't you noticed how completely untrue and misleading chain mails can be?

It's probably something that they are trying to counter. Unless you think a chain mail is more reliable than a government document.
Chainmails are usually ridiculous... But would you want to go on a list(possibly) if you recieved or sent info on something you opposed that the govt was trying to impose?

Obama was a frigging community organizer... he should be proud that communities are getting organized
to try and stop the insanity of socialist healthcare...

There are real solutions to healthcare... Fix what we have... and not role the dice on something
that by all accounts will be extremely inefficient and beyond expensive...

I don't think they are putting together a list for people to take off the streets in black vans, more to try and combat some of the misinformation that does the circles via email chains.

Flagging an email and sending it to the whitehouse does not require you keep the names of everyone who's already received it, but I can see where you're coming from.

2009-08-05 19:17:49

#12

mcgid1: Meh...; +129|7008|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX

FEOS wrote:
mcgid1 wrote:
"time to build a bunker and stock up on the guns and ammo".
Don't forget to cling to your religion while you're at it.

There was a certain amount of sarcasm in that statement, forgot the tags. The point is that, and this has less to do with the emails and more to do with what has been going on in the town hall meetings, parts of the government are trying to either cover over or dissmiss concerns of citizens as either being part of a fringe movement or as being paid off by a lobbiest group. It's concerning because in a way the government, which is supposed to be by the people and for the people, is ignoring the desires and concerns of the people to go ahead with it's plan come hell or high water.

2009-08-05 19:22:45

#13

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6697|North Carolina

I'm still wondering where you guys were when the Patriot Act passed.

2009-08-05 19:23:56

#14

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5877

Turquoise wrote:
I'm still wondering where you guys were when the Patriot Act passed.

Sending fruit baskets to the whitehouse thanking GWB for protecting our freedomz lol

2009-08-05 19:25:57

#15

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6703|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
I'm still wondering where you guys were when the Patriot Act passed.

Pretty sure the Patriot Act did nothing like say "turn in any e-mails that you get that question our policy".

Unless I missed something in the training I received after the law was passed.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-08-05 19:27:38

#16

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7008

AussieReaper wrote:
[TUF]Catbox wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Haven't you noticed how completely untrue and misleading chain mails can be?

It's probably something that they are trying to counter. Unless you think a chain mail is more reliable than a government document.
Chainmails are usually ridiculous... But would you want to go on a list(possibly) if you recieved or sent info on something you opposed that the govt was trying to impose?

Obama was a frigging community organizer... he should be proud that communities are getting organized
to try and stop the insanity of socialist healthcare...

There are real solutions to healthcare... Fix what we have... and not role the dice on something
that by all accounts will be extremely inefficient and beyond expensive...
I don't think they are putting together a list for people to take off the streets in black vans, more to try and combat some of the misinformation that does the circles via email chains.

Flagging an email and sending it to the whitehouse does not require you keep the names of everyone who's already received it, but I can see where you're coming from.

I'm not looking out my window for helicopters yet... lol
More concerned with the growing inability to question anything he or the govt want to impart on the people... regardless of
public sentiment...

I didn't agree with Bill Clinton on a lot of things... and even George Bush... but i felt comfortable with both of them...
Knowing that they had different ideas... but at the end of the day they both loved their country and respected the people.

I get a weird feeling with BO... He says he loves the country but apologizes every time he travels... He wants everyone to prosper but he
tries to slam cap and trade and now healtchare down everyones throats before they know what hit them which will cost everyone and continue to slow the economy...

The Stimulus was supposed to stave off
a depression and all kinds of horrors... months later and little is spent and the US hasn't collapsed... despite the huge pet project stimulus.

I don't know what to say at this point
other than we will survive and things will shift back and hopefully there is a balance in govt again(so they can't cause too much damage lol)

Didn't want to start a new thread but found this..
"Obama seeks to institutionalize indefinite detention"
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/aug20 … -a05.shtml

Didn't he slam Bush for indefinite detention?

Love is the answer

2009-08-05 19:29:59

#17

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5877

FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
I'm still wondering where you guys were when the Patriot Act passed.
Pretty sure the Patriot Act did nothing like say "turn in any e-mails that you get that question our policy".

Unless I missed something in the training I received after the law was passed.

I guess you are right sending in an email and having a server send out an automated response to counter point the email sent in is much worse then wiretapping somebody.

2009-08-05 19:43:06

#18

Narupug: Fodder Mostly; +150|5888|Vacationland

I don't get what the big deal is, by reporting people you help uphold the ideas of Ingsoc. I for one view that as a privelage I would be happy to take. I for one hope the thought police kills you all for thought crime
"Big Brother is Watching You"

Last edited by Narupug (2009-08-05 19:43:55)

2009-08-05 19:46:47

#19

DeathBecomesYu: Member; +171|6471

Macbeth wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
I'm still wondering where you guys were when the Patriot Act passed.
Pretty sure the Patriot Act did nothing like say "turn in any e-mails that you get that question our policy".

Unless I missed something in the training I received after the law was passed.
I guess you are right sending in an email and having a server send out an automated response to counter point the email sent in is much worse then wiretapping somebody.

How do you know that is all they are planning to do with information sent to them. Who said that it would be an automated response and only an automated response. I think that the government asking for people "tattle" on other is utter ridiculous and really shows how far some of these people are willing to go.

Wouldn't it have been smarter to tell the same people to simply defend them in their own words and their own debate...why in the hell does the government need to know shit about who sent or said anything against Obama. Might as well go to the town hall meetings and start taking pictures...probably wouldn't put it past them to do that at this point.

Politics in this country is so far over the top that it is just astonishing. The corruptness, the power grabs, the gifts, the misuse of OUR money is beyond any sensibility. This government is a two party country with one party now holding all the marbles and doing what they hell they want regardless if anyone read anything or not........oops.....someone might report my message here. Is that how far down we have come?

2009-08-05 20:48:22

#20

nickb64: formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]; +77|5903|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

Democratic Party wrote:
There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.

The truth is, it's a sham. These "grassroots protests" are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.

Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help.
5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee

This is just FAIL...

2009-08-05 20:50:16

#21

Doctor Strangelove: Real Battlefield Veterinarian.; +1,758|6760

nickb64 wrote:
Democratic Party wrote:
There's been a lot of media coverage about organized mobs intimidating lawmakers, disrupting town halls, and silencing real discussion about the need for real health insurance reform.

The truth is, it's a sham. These "grassroots protests" are being organized and largely paid for by Washington special interests and insurance companies who are desperate to block reform. They're trying to use lies and fear to break the President and his agenda for change.

Health insurance reform is about our lives, our jobs, and our families -- we can't let distortions and intimidation get in the way. We need to expose these outrageous tactics, and we're counting on you to help.
5 facts about the anti-reform mobs

1. These disruptions are being funded and organized by out-of-district special-interest groups and insurance companies who fear that health insurance reform could help Americans, but hurt their bottom line. A group run by the same folks who made the "Swiftboat" ads against John Kerry is compiling a list of congressional events in August to disrupt. An insurance company coalition has stationed employees in 30 states to track where local lawmakers hold town-hall meetings.

2. People are scared because they are being fed frightening lies. These crowds are being riled up by anti-reform lies being spread by industry front groups that invent smears to tarnish the President's plan and scare voters. But as the President has repeatedly said, health insurance reform will create more health care choices for the American people, not reduce them. If you like your insurance or your doctor, you can keep them, and there is no "government takeover" in any part of any plan supported by the President or Congress.

3. Their actions are getting more extreme. Texas protesters brought signs displaying a tombstone for Rep. Lloyd Doggett and using the "SS" symbol to compare President Obama's policies to Nazism. Maryland Rep. Frank Kratovil was hanged in effigy outside his district office. Rep. Tim Bishop of New York had to be escorted to his car by police after an angry few disrupted his town hall meeting -- and more examples like this come in every day. And they have gone beyond just trying to derail the President's health insurance reform plans, they are trying to "break" the President himself and ruin his Presidency.

4. Their goal is to disrupt and shut down legitimate conversation. Protesters have routinely shouted down representatives trying to engage in constructive dialogue with voters, and done everything they can to intimidate and silence regular people who just want more information. One attack group has even published a manual instructing protesters to "stand up and shout" and try to "rattle" lawmakers to prevent them from talking peacefully with their constituents.

5. Republican leadership is irresponsibly cheering on the thuggish crowds. Republican House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement applauding and promoting a video of the disruptions and looking forward to "a long, hot August for Democrats in Congress."

It's time to expose this charade, before it gets more dangerous. Please send these facts to everyone you know. You can also post them on your website, blog, or Facebook page.

Now, more than ever, we need to stand strong together and defend the truth.

Thanks,

Jen

Jen O'Malley Dillon
Executive Director
Democratic National Committee
This is just FAIL...

Or is it?

[video]http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/240728/august-04-2009/the-word---hippie-replacement[/video]

2009-08-05 22:14:36

#22

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6840|San Diego, CA, USA

I've turned us all in.

Last edited by Harmor (2009-08-05 22:14:48)

2009-08-06 03:47:50

#23

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6703|'Murka

Macbeth wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
I'm still wondering where you guys were when the Patriot Act passed.
Pretty sure the Patriot Act did nothing like say "turn in any e-mails that you get that question our policy".

Unless I missed something in the training I received after the law was passed.
I guess you are right sending in an email and having a server send out an automated response to counter point the email sent in is much worse then wiretapping somebody.

Just who exactly was wiretapped in the US without a warrant? Nobody.

People need to educate themselves on just what exactly the Patriot Act did before they start screaming "wiretapping American people!"

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-08-06 15:15:43

#24

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6697|North Carolina

Guys... guys... I figured it out. Assuming the power invested in the Patriot Act can be abused is wrong. Assuming people voluntarily sending emails of other people to the government is an insidious scheme makes perfect sense though.

2009-08-06 16:24:22

#25

Deadmonkiefart: Floccinaucinihilipilificator; +177|6998

Macbeth wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
I'm still wondering where you guys were when the Patriot Act passed.
Pretty sure the Patriot Act did nothing like say "turn in any e-mails that you get that question our policy".

Unless I missed something in the training I received after the law was passed.
I guess you are right sending in an email and having a server send out an automated response to counter point the email sent in is much worse then wiretapping somebody.

You don't even know how they plan to respond. Sending an automated response would be the least of my worries.

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