ATG
Banned
+5,233|6818|Global Command
Good God, Hugo Chavez may be right.

In Russia the introduction of Western consultants and capitalism took control from the state of industry and banking and the people in key positions in financial, corporate and other business institutions establish the parameters within which the politicians, parties and media of most developed nations discuss ideas. These people constitute a ruling class. Their composition changes according to which sector of these business institutions is dominant at a given point in history.

Contrary to European and US publicists on the Right and Left, very few of the top former Communist leaders are now to be found among the current Russian billionaire oligarchy. Wealth was not transferred to high Communist Party Commissars (lateral transfers) but was seized by armed private mafias run by recent university graduates who quickly capitalized on corrupting, intimidating or assassinating senior state officials and benefiting from Boris Yeltsin's mindless contracting of 'free market' Western consultants.
Private banks, as is well known often play both sides of a conflict; using secrecy laws and over seas accounts to launder, hid and use money to fund conflict in third world nations. The private corporations make trillions selling conventional arms and fomenting war, coups and insurrections.

Forbes magazine puts out a yearly list of the richest individuals and families in the world. What is most amusing about the famous Forbes magazine's background biographical notes on the Russian oligarchs is the constant reference to their source of wealth as 'self-made' as if stealing state property created and defended for over seventy years by the sweat and blood of the Russian people demonstrated the entrepreneurial skills of thugs in their twenties. Of the top eight Russian billionaire oligarchs, all got their start from strong-arming their rivals, setting up 'paper banks' and taking over aluminum, oil, gas, nickel and steel production and the export of bauxite, iron and other minerals. Every sector of the former Communist economy was pillaged by the new billionaires: construction, telecommunications, chemicals, real estate, agriculture, vodka, foods, land, media, automobiles, airlines, etc.
I would argue that our invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs or anything else. It was because he wanted to start trading oil in Euros. I would argue that the only logical reason we bother in Afghanistan is because that is one of the last Islamic countries with no formal ties to central ( international ) banks.

The billionaires'' and the White House's anger and hostility toward President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela is precisely because he is reversing the policies which create billionaires and mass poverty. He is re-nationalizing energy resources and public utilities, and expropriating some large landed estates. Chavez is not only challenging US hegemony in Latin America but also the entire privatize-deregulate-denationalize edifice that built the economic empires of the billionaires in Latin America, Russia, China and elsewhere.
The current plot to " nationalize " industries in the U.S. is a sham; all of the benefits and profits will remain in the hands of the elite super rich who play both sides in conflicts, who fund war in third world countries and who control our government. We are being enslaved. Their work is mostly done elsewhere.

Now it is Americas turn for mass poverty and plunder.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Petra … mpire.html


http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2002/gaef3002.doc.htm
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6807|Montucky
good thing i'm a government employee
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6818|Global Command

S3v3N wrote:

good thing i'm a government employee
What good is personal financial security if it costs you your soul ?

post is based on the assumption for argument that the police have a primary mission, and that is not public safety, it is raising revenue.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6807|Montucky
I'm only a reserve Cop now.

I work for the Bureau of Land Management and yes personal financial security is good.

I lost my soul in the Marines.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6818|Global Command

S3v3N wrote:

I lost my soul in the Marines.
I doubt that, that's God work there.
Harmor
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+605|6838|San Diego, CA, USA
Unregulated capitalism can go amuck, as we've seen.  But often that is because politicians, motivated by special interestes and their coffers change the rules so this can happen.

Example: the housing mess we have where politicians (primarily Democrats), trying to garner votes from poor constituents forced banks to lend to people who really couldn't afford a home - low income, bad credit, etc...

Its a balance where the regulations are in place to protect us, but not too constricted so those participating can't make a profit.
Krappyappy
'twice cooked beef!'
+111|7109

ATG wrote:

I would argue that our invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs or anything else. It was because he wanted to start trading oil in Euros. I would argue that the only logical reason we bother in Afghanistan is because that is one of the last Islamic countries with no formal ties to central ( international ) banks.
people were arguing this back before the war started. [this example is from 2004, but it's hardly unique]

the vast majority of people are too stupid to see that wars are never fought for ideology, there is ALWAYS a concrete reason. it will be interesting to see history's take on the actions of GW, when the public finally accepts that real concerns of national security were the driving force behind the iraq war, albeit in a form not recognized [and much more threatening] by most.

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