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2009-07-25 04:04:22
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

the police are already well trained, is the need to "understand" the circumstances outside of the fact that the person was murdered in the name of a religion really all that important? Is that knowledge supposed to bring some special considersation to the investigation, orthe punishent?  If not then why bother? The answer however, I believe is to be yes.
The police are not trained in every and all fields, for a start. You do have specialised units to carry out all sorts of operations and investigations. If a Muslim/Sikh background officer or has more chance of getting people to talk, then so be it.

As for your crap about punishment, need I remind you that officers are supposed to arrest, not convict?
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2009-07-25 04:08:58
lowing
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

the police are already well trained, is the need to "understand" the circumstances outside of the fact that the person was murdered in the name of a religion really all that important? Is that knowledge supposed to bring some special considersation to the investigation, orthe punishent?  If not then why bother? The answer however, I believe is to be yes.
The police are not trained in every and all fields, for a start. You do have specialised units to carry out all sorts of operations and investigations. If a Muslim/Sikh background officer or has more chance of getting people to talk, then so be it.

As for your crap about punishment, need I remind you that officers are supposed to arrest, not convict?
well, then based on your observation that officers are supposed to arrest not convict, why do you think it takes a special officer to make an arrest based on religion?


anyway, I never said a word about the police punishing anyone. I was talking about punishment after trial, as in the honor killing circumstances being considered for punishment.
2009-07-25 04:10:34
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6550|San Diego, CA, USA
I wonder if Hispanics asked for their own police here in California? 

For the record I'm Hispanic and I don't think just because a cop is the same race as me I or anyone else should be treated any different.  If they are a good cop anyway it wouldn't matter what race either of you are.
2009-07-25 04:16:23
Red Forman
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Can members of the KKK get their own police?
2009-07-25 04:18:09
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

the police are already well trained, is the need to "understand" the circumstances outside of the fact that the person was murdered in the name of a religion really all that important? Is that knowledge supposed to bring some special considersation to the investigation, orthe punishent?  If not then why bother? The answer however, I believe is to be yes.
The police are not trained in every and all fields, for a start. You do have specialised units to carry out all sorts of operations and investigations. If a Muslim/Sikh background officer or has more chance of getting people to talk, then so be it.

As for your crap about punishment, need I remind you that officers are supposed to arrest, not convict?
well, then based on your observation that officers are supposed to arrest not convict, why do you think it takes a special officer to make an arrest based on religion?


anyway, I never said a word about the police punishing anyone. I was talking about punishment after trial, as in the honor killing circumstances being considered for punishment.
Sigh.

The police are better to investiage an honour killing if they have understanding of the religion which the accused is operating under. Hence why there are Sikh officers on the beat which are helpful to lead to the arrest of the Indian population in Britain. And omg it's much easier for witnesses to approach an officer who they feel they can relate to.

As for your second point which is just as moronic, on 10 October 2003, effective from 1 February 2004 the UK acceded to the 13th Protocol, which prohibits the death penalty under all circumstances.
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2009-07-25 04:20:01
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6550|San Diego, CA, USA
While we're at it get rid of 'Hate Crimes'...if you kill someone it shouldn't matter why - you killed them and justice should be blind.
2009-07-25 04:23:13
lowing
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

The police are not trained in every and all fields, for a start. You do have specialised units to carry out all sorts of operations and investigations. If a Muslim/Sikh background officer or has more chance of getting people to talk, then so be it.

As for your crap about punishment, need I remind you that officers are supposed to arrest, not convict?
well, then based on your observation that officers are supposed to arrest not convict, why do you think it takes a special officer to make an arrest based on religion?


anyway, I never said a word about the police punishing anyone. I was talking about punishment after trial, as in the honor killing circumstances being considered for punishment.
Sigh.

The police are better to investiage an honour killing if they have understanding of the religion which the accused is operating under. Hence why there are Sikh officers on the beat which are helpful to lead to the arrest of the Indian population in Britain. And omg it's much easier for witnesses to approach an officer who they feel they can relate to.

As for your second point which is just as moronic, on 10 October 2003, effective from 1 February 2004 the UK acceded to the 13th Protocol, which prohibits the death penalty under all circumstances.
Here is the whole point Aussie,   the police do not need to investigate honor killings, the police need to investigate murders. Period. Religious convictions have got nothing to do with it, nor should it be a factor. If the motive is honor killing so be it, nothing more needs to be considered. It is still murder

I didn't say anything about the death penalty either Aussie, have you ever heard of various lengths of incarceration dependant of the circumstances of the crime?

Last edited by lowing (2009-07-25 04:23:58)

2009-07-25 04:24:34
lowing
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Harmor wrote:

While we're at it get rid of 'Hate Crimes'...if you kill someone it shouldn't matter why - you killed them and justice should be blind.
barring self defense of course.
2009-07-25 04:28:16
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

well, then based on your observation that officers are supposed to arrest not convict, why do you think it takes a special officer to make an arrest based on religion?


anyway, I never said a word about the police punishing anyone. I was talking about punishment after trial, as in the honor killing circumstances being considered for punishment.
Sigh.

The police are better to investiage an honour killing if they have understanding of the religion which the accused is operating under. Hence why there are Sikh officers on the beat which are helpful to lead to the arrest of the Indian population in Britain. And omg it's much easier for witnesses to approach an officer who they feel they can relate to.

As for your second point which is just as moronic, on 10 October 2003, effective from 1 February 2004 the UK acceded to the 13th Protocol, which prohibits the death penalty under all circumstances.
Here is the whole point Aussie,   the police do not need to investigate honor killings, the police need to investigate murders. Period. Religious convictions have got nothing to do with it, nor should it be a factor. If the motive is honor killing so be it, nothing more needs to be considered. It is still murder

I didn't say anything about the death penalty either Aussie, have you ever heard of various lengths of incarceration dependant of the circumstances of the crime?
1) The police are able to apprehend a suspect and bring them in if they are better able to investiage the crime. Do you understand this concept? It's fairly simple. And this is not about honour killings and honour killings only. Why do you think there is already Sikh officers in units specialised to investigate Indian communities?

And

2) Yes, you did. You want the crime to fir the punishment and you did mention the death penalty. Look up, or better, I'll quote it for you too, and even bold if that helps... you said

lowing wrote:

anyway, I never said a word about the police punishing anyone. I was talking about punishment after trial, as in the honor killing circumstances being considered for punishment.
Quit saying I never said that, I didn't say that, when each time you get proven either incorrect or down right ignorant. It's not like your posts can't be read again and found that is what you said. You're just acting childish.
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2009-07-25 04:38:57
lowing
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Sigh.

The police are better to investiage an honour killing if they have understanding of the religion which the accused is operating under. Hence why there are Sikh officers on the beat which are helpful to lead to the arrest of the Indian population in Britain. And omg it's much easier for witnesses to approach an officer who they feel they can relate to.

As for your second point which is just as moronic, on 10 October 2003, effective from 1 February 2004 the UK acceded to the 13th Protocol, which prohibits the death penalty under all circumstances.
Here is the whole point Aussie,   the police do not need to investigate honor killings, the police need to investigate murders. Period. Religious convictions have got nothing to do with it, nor should it be a factor. If the motive is honor killing so be it, nothing more needs to be considered. It is still murder

I didn't say anything about the death penalty either Aussie, have you ever heard of various lengths of incarceration dependant of the circumstances of the crime?
1) The police are able to apprehend a suspect and bring them in if they are better able to investiage the crime. Do you understand this concept? It's fairly simple. And this is not about honour killings and honour killings only. Why do you think there is already Sikh officers in units specialised to investigate Indian communities?

And

2) Yes, you did. You want the crime to fir the punishment and you did mention the death penalty. Look up, or better, I'll quote it for you too, and even bold if that helps... you said

lowing wrote:

anyway, I never said a word about the police punishing anyone. I was talking about punishment after trial, as in the honor killing circumstances being considered for punishment.
Quit saying I never said that, I didn't say that, when each time you get proven either incorrect or down right ignorant. It's not like your posts can't be read again and found that is what you said. You're just acting childish.
there are all kinds of crazy, sick ass, perverted ways murders occur, with an equal amount of motives. All of which cops are trained to deal with as murders. It does not take a "special" officer to investigate an honor killing. Period

and no I didn't, even in your quote of me, I did not mention the death penalty, I menationed punishment, and special considersations for punishment.

Last edited by lowing (2009-07-25 04:40:24)

2009-07-25 04:43:19
FatherTed
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They will still be investigated under UK law

Sikhs already have this facility

Women already have this facility

problem?
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2009-07-25 04:44:31
AussieReaper
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lowing wrote:

there are all kinds of crazy, sick ass, perverted ways murders occur, with an equal amount of motives. All of which cops are trained to deal with as murders. It does not take a "special" officer to investigate an honor killing. Period

and no I didn't, even in your quote of me, I did not mention the death penalty, I menationed punishment, and special considersations for punishment.
How many times do I have to say that these special officers are not simply investigating honour killings. Yeah, it might not take a special officer to investigate an honour killing, but to better interact within the Muslim community, gather evidence, become trusted to the public, these officers will be useful. Get it?

I'll repeat myself here too, because it seems I have to, these officers are not dealing with punishments. Only the investigation and apprehension of suspects. There is no special consideration for punishment here, or ever will be.
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2009-07-25 04:53:01
Beduin
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lowing wrote:

there are all kinds of crazy, sick ass, perverted ways murders occur, with an equal amount of motives. All of which cops are trained to deal with as murders. It does not take a "special" officer to investigate an honor killing. Period
They choose the most competent to solve the problem. It can be that the person has more experience in a certain field, or has a different background like in the OP. So yes they do choose.

And FYI it is done everywhere. You should now that.
Companies and organizations always pick the person that fits best for the task. I will be more than happy to be send to middleeast to serve the company I work in. It will benefit the company having an employee with a background which they can use as a tool to reach their goals.

Very simple actually.
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2009-07-25 05:36:40
lowing
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AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

there are all kinds of crazy, sick ass, perverted ways murders occur, with an equal amount of motives. All of which cops are trained to deal with as murders. It does not take a "special" officer to investigate an honor killing. Period

and no I didn't, even in your quote of me, I did not mention the death penalty, I mentioned punishment, and special considerations for punishment.
How many times do I have to say that these special officers are not simply investigating honour killings. Yeah, it might not take a special officer to investigate an honour killing, but to better interact within the Muslim community, gather evidence, become trusted to the public, these officers will be useful. Get it?

I'll repeat myself here too, because it seems I have to, these officers are not dealing with punishments. Only the investigation and apprehension of suspects. There is no special consideration for punishment here, or ever will be.
then if they are not needed to investigate honor killings, then they are not needed at all. It does not take a Hispanic to investigate a crime committed by one, it does not take a black cop to investigate a crime committed by one, and it does not take a redneck cop to investigate a crime committed by one. and yes investigate means talking and interacting with people involved. your assertion that it takes a Muslim to investigate an Islamic crime is nothing short of special interest and prejudice given your belief that no one other than a Muslim is competent to conduct an investigation of murder by a Muslim. the fact that the murder was committed by a Muslim does not warrant special consideration, no more than if I insisted that a white cop investigate a murder committed by a white person, stating only a white guy could interact with a white person and gather better evidence. I could only imagine the uproar and the hate mail I would receive from you all if I made such a claim.


and I will repeat myself as well, I said nothing of cops punishing criminals.
2009-07-25 05:37:53
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

there are all kinds of crazy, sick ass, perverted ways murders occur, with an equal amount of motives. All of which cops are trained to deal with as murders. It does not take a "special" officer to investigate an honor killing. Period
They choose the most competent to solve the problem. It can be that the person has more experience in a certain field, or has a different background like in the OP. So yes they do choose.

And FYI it is done everywhere. You should now that.
Companies and organizations always pick the person that fits best for the task. I will be more than happy to be send to middleeast to serve the company I work in. It will benefit the company having an employee with a background which they can use as a tool to reach their goals.

Very simple actually.
read up,

you would be outraged if I stated, ONLY a white cop could or should invesigate WHITE crimes.

very simple actually.

Last edited by lowing (2009-07-25 05:38:19)

2009-07-25 05:43:09
Beduin
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lowing wrote:

read up,
you would be outraged if I stated, ONLY a white cop could or should invesigate WHITE crimes.
where do you see/read "only"?
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2009-07-25 05:54:29
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

read up,
you would be outraged if I stated, ONLY a white cop could or should invesigate WHITE crimes.
where do you see/read "only"?
Oh shit, here is your scalpel for dissecting.

Ok, let me re-phrase, you would be outraged if I suggested white cops should be investigating white crimes, because white cops understand white people better.

now how about cutting the bullshit with that scalpel and address the intent of the post.

Last edited by lowing (2009-07-25 05:55:05)

2009-07-25 05:58:04
Beduin
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lowing wrote:

Ok, let me re-phrase, you would be outraged if I suggested white cops should be investigating white crimes, because white cops understand white people better.
If it was in Yemen, Saudi or Egypt I will have the same opinion.
What does that tell ya?
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2009-07-25 06:00:04
Mekstizzle
WALKER
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It's just reverse segregation. Or even regular segregation. Although this time it's the minorities and not the white people who are pushing for it, although you're also getting alot of white politicians who condone it in the name of political correctness. The world is just fucking dumb

And now the F1 feed on BBC 1 has gone out, fuck this (edit: yay its come back)

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2009-07-25 06:10:46
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

Ok, let me re-phrase, you would be outraged if I suggested white cops should be investigating white crimes, because white cops understand white people better.
If it was in Yemen, Saudi or Egypt I will have the same opinion.
What does that tell ya?
If it was in Yemen Saudi or Egypt, such appeasement would not even be on the table. What does that tell ya?

Also, address the post and do not try and side step it. YOU would be outraged, if I  suggested such considerations for white people given the same circumstances. Yes or no?

Last edited by lowing (2009-07-25 06:18:42)

2009-07-25 07:19:00
lowing
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WELL? AUSSIE, BEDUIN, I am waiting for an answer.
2009-07-25 07:30:00
Beduin
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lowing wrote:

If it was in Yemen Saudi or Egypt, such appeasement would not even be on the table. What does that tell ya?

Also, address the post and do not try and side step it. YOU would be outraged, if I  suggested such considerations for white people given the same circumstances. Yes or no?
I was just trying to change the environment, maybe you will catch what am trying to say, but you didn't.

As for your Q, very hard to answer, as I cant think of any situation that requires such action.
If something happens down at the local KKK/nazi club, I will not send an african,middleeastern or an asian officer. I want to solve a problem, I don't want to create a problem. But thats just meh?
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2009-07-25 07:31:11
Beduin
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lowing wrote:

WELL? AUSSIE, BEDUIN, I am waiting for an answer.
lol..chill dude
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2009-07-25 07:33:27
lowing
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Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

If it was in Yemen Saudi or Egypt, such appeasement would not even be on the table. What does that tell ya?

Also, address the post and do not try and side step it. YOU would be outraged, if I  suggested such considerations for white people given the same circumstances. Yes or no?
I was just trying to change the environment, maybe you will catch what am trying to say, but you didn't.

As for your Q, very hard to answer, as I cant think of any situation that requires such action.
If something happens down at the local KKK/nazi club, I will not send an african,middleeastern or an asian officer. I want to solve a problem, I don't want to create a problem. But thats just meh?
wow for someone who is not supposed tobe a racist, you sure are aware of your racial surroundings.

Personally, if I were the cops, I would send a cop to invesigate a crime. Kinda since RACE should not play any part in the approach of a crime or a criminal invesigation. but that is just me.

Also, I am curious as to why you think a westernized Muslim needs "special policing" vwhile the rest of us should just make do with whoever they send?

Last edited by lowing (2009-07-25 07:35:01)

2009-07-25 07:35:04
Beduin
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lowing wrote:

wow for someone who is not supposed tobe a racist, you sure are aware of your racial surroundings.

Personally, if I were the cops, I would send a cop to invesigate a crime. Kinda since RACE should not play any part in the approach of a crime or a criminal invesigation. but that is just me.
Am racist?
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