uziq
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it was knowingly camp, especially things like black sabbath. can't say i've spent a lot of time listening to it, but come on, the am-dram and kitsch is all knowingly part of the act. it's like kayfabe in wrestling, or something.

you like musicals, another musical form that inspires a passionate following and is really rather hammy, at the end of the day. it's a day of playing dress-up. it's just as often very camp and queer as it is macho and toxic. look at someone like judas priest, for example.

as for musically uninteresting ... well, it's a very broad church. there's a huge diversity of styles. i don't really care much for the endless paginini-on-electric guitar solo or hair metal stuff. but sabbath and zeppelin and early examples like that were very consciously plugged into rhythm and blues and other interesting musical traditions. it's not entirely without merit or innovation.

sociologically, it was a bunch of working-class lads from the midlands making a ruckus and escaping their class-confined and predetermined path in life to end up in some factory or on the dole. why not?

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SuperJail Warden
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I liked that music back in high school. Now it does seem like of lame. The music I grew up with still sounds good like System of Down, Linkin Park, Korn. But otherwise eh. I like upbeat music that sounds good while stoned and you can interact with a girl while it plays in the background.

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I went to a ska concert in Brooklyn recently. About what you expected. First thing first it was 16+ instead of 21+ like a rave would be. Also I smelled barely any marijuana in the crowd. There were so few people getting high that I didn't use my vape because I didn't want to be the odd one out. Meanwhile if you go to a lot of other venues you will have people lighting up joints.

The ska concert was also very white. EDM shows are like a rainbow of people and very representative of the city. Ska, punk, and rock concerts are very much still tied to a subculture that became endangered around the Bush years. At least around here. I don't see Insane Clown Posse ads around here.

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I want to see Linkin Park live. I want to see how the lady lead singer does. Never got to see Chester before he deleted his map.

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uziq
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ska is pretty cringe. up there with electro-swing in the pantheon of 'genres made unbelievably embarrassing by white people'.
SuperJail Warden
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I haven't heard of electro swing in over 10 years. Good damn what a throwback.

Ska dancing is an acquired taste...but the whole suit and fedora stuff is charming in a way.
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uziq wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

ozzy, et al, pro israel.

it's not like it's hard to find videos of children begging for food and people collapsing and all the other widely distributed hellscape.
his wife and family are obviously extremely jewish (she was his manager, after all).

in addition, he's from one of the 2-3 cities in the UK which have notable, long-term jewish communities (manchester, birmingham, london). there's probably some sensitivity and consideration over that – lots of right-thinking, liberal/progressive brits have committed to israel's cause for similar reasons, thinking more of their neighbours than murderous bibi et al.
probably not going to be a lot of people laying into that as funeral guests, anyway.
i'd file it in the same category as radiohead being pro-zionist, in that one of their members is married to a jewish lady and so they've probably been inundated with 'both sides' rhetoric for decades.
that's starting to wear down, at least where i'm at. seeing a lot of palestinian flags and signs and stickers in support of the people starving to death. prior, there was a lot of the 'both sides' rhetoric.
also, frankly let's be real. ozzy has not been compos mentis for a long time, least of all since october 7th. it's a wonder the guy could remember his lyrics for their farewell gig in birmingham a couple weeks ago. i'm not looking to aged rockers who have been pickled in vats of alcohol and cocaine for their astute geopolitical takes.
that's a valid argument, but it wasn't just the gothfather. i'm still of two minds about it. i feel like a lot of perennial substance abusers, who aren't exactly up to date on stuff, don't like genocide.

i drove past a jewish demonstration today right off the highway condemning the one in gaza. they were getting agreeable honk-and-waves. i think it would behoove more people to be able to separate jews from isreal in their thoughts.

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