Obama Refuses to Condemn Crackdown on Iranian Protests

2009-06-18 21:04:12

#1

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6846|San Diego, CA, USA

Source: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/06/15/g … crackdown/
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Source: http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/T … uses_t.asp
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Source: http://patterico.com/2009/06/15/obama-r … -protests/

Is Obama's refusal to condemn the crackdown really giving the green-light to current Iranian regime? Why isn't he voicing encouragement like when Ronald Regan did when the protesters against the then U.S.S.R. with his "Tare town this wall speech"? Shouldn't the Iranians know that we support them in their cause?

I mean we don't want an Iraq^2...wouldn't having the Iranian people overthrow their current government be the best thing for the world right now?

1) Its obvious that the election, on paper ballots called so soon, is a sham.

2) Rumor has it that after all the journalists are out of the country Hamas members are being brought in to do the 'dirty work' to quell the uprising (I can't verify that).

2009-06-18 21:11:56

#2

Reciprocity: Member; +721|6879|the dank(super) side of Oregon

do the malcontents need our love and moral support to take care of their business? iran's already making shit up about us interfering.

2009-06-18 21:12:00

#3

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,983|6930|949

That's funny, I read all three of those articles...two said the State Dept. refused to condemn the crackdown (while at the same time the State Dept. said they were "deeply troubled by allegations of ballot fraud", one was just no content. So where exactly did Obama refuse? Or is it one of those things where since he hasn't commented he implicitly supports the Iranian govt? Give me a break, there are so many other things to literally peg Obama on, and you reach for this?

2009-06-18 21:19:49

#4

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6745|Chicago, IL

Giving Ahmadinejad any fodder to blame the Great Satan is a bad idea, they'll handle it.

2009-06-18 21:41:12

#5

(T)eflon(S)hadow: R.I.P. Neda; +456|7127|Grapevine, TX

I dont see Obama refusing to condemn the protests of the Iranian dissidents. I only heard one little thing from him about this , in my view, an opportunity to let the Iranians know we are there for them.

Pres. Obama," "It's not productive, given the history of U.S.-Iranian relations, to be seen as meddling."

Republican Congressman Mike Pence says what Barack Obama won’t

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2009-06-18 21:41:12

#6

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6899|132 and Bush

I disagree with Obama on many things .. but .. Give me a break.

He's not "green lighting" anything. Both Clinton and he are just repeating the same "it's an internal issue" verbiage. They have to be careful. Taking a position behind Mousavi might not be a great idea for them. While Mousavi is more progressive in his views, I don't think his nuclear position is that much different. In fact Mousavi jump-started Iran's nuclear program in the 80's.

Side note: There are some great photographs here: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/0 … ction.html

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-06-18 22:20:46

#7

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7014

This is one time where Obamas vagueness and lack of a concrete position or decision will benefit him...
Iran is done with the aquajihad and co... I hope they continue to peacefully fight for their right to be free...

I heard he asked if he could vote "present" on the situation in Iran...lol

Love is the answer

2009-06-18 22:42:31

#8

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6963|NT, like Mick Dundee

S.Lythberg wrote:
Giving Ahmadinejad any fodder to blame the Great Satan is a bad idea, they'll handle it.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-06-18 22:46:40

#9

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6899|132 and Bush

Goes along with this.

Kmarion wrote:
Actually I kid. Even I'm amazed by the amount of people who seriously suggest intervening and taking out imadinnerjacket. It's ridiculous, not too mention the blow back would be extraordinary. It would most certainly reverse the tide of pro-western supporters.

The absolute worst thing we can do is to start throwing our weight around. That I am sure of.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-06-18 22:55:32

#10

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6949|USA

I have no problem with this, it is Iran's problem let them deal with it. I would not have want some foreign nation getting involved on all of hanging chads and whining and bitching from the loosing democrats.

2009-06-19 17:24:00

#11

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6846|San Diego, CA, USA

By not speaking out Obama against totalitarian rulers is basically giving the religious leaders cart-blanche ok to crackdown on the opposition; its going to be bloody.

2009-06-19 17:33:38

#12

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6963|NT, like Mick Dundee

Harmor wrote:
By not speaking out Obama against totalitarian rulers is basically giving the religious leaders cart-blanche ok to crackdown on the opposition; its going to be bloody.

What is Obama, President of the fucking world?

They don't need his permission to fuck over their own nation's people. They'd do it even if he condemned it. Diplomatically he has to tread carefully to avoid starting another war in the Middle East, Iran can't feel too great about having NATO forces sitting in two neighboring countries. I'm sure personally he wishes the people of Iran all the best but personal opinions can't always be voiced if you hold public office. Any opinion put forward officially by the USA or it's closely allied governments will be used as ammunition by Khamenei and his supporters.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-06-19 17:36:36

#13

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7014

Harmor wrote:
By not speaking out Obama against totalitarian rulers is basically giving the religious leaders cart-blanche ok to crackdown on the opposition; its going to be bloody.

He has to stay on the fence... wait till it's safe to speak as not to offend the Hardliners...
I also think the Iranian people know we are rooting for them and their desire to be free...
hopefully they can get their freedom with as little violence as possible...
I wonder if we over here would have the same balls to fight for what we believe in like the Iranians... or would we just cave in...?

Love is the answer

2009-06-19 17:37:47

#14

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7014

Flecco wrote:
Harmor wrote:
By not speaking out Obama against totalitarian rulers is basically giving the religious leaders cart-blanche ok to crackdown on the opposition; its going to be bloody.
What is Obama, President of the fucking world?

They don't need his permission to fuck over their own nation's people. They'd do it even if he condemned it. Diplomatically he has to tread carefully to avoid starting another war in the Middle East, Iran can't feel too great about having NATO forces sitting in two neighboring countries. I'm sure personally he wishes the people of Iran all the best but personal opinions can't always be voiced if you hold public office. Any opinion put forward officially by the USA or it's closely allied governments will be used as ammunition by Khamenei and his supporters.

Obama is God and yes he is the leader of the world... or that's what i have heard?

Love is the answer

2009-06-19 17:47:09

#15

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6963|NT, like Mick Dundee

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
Flecco wrote:
Harmor wrote:
By not speaking out Obama against totalitarian rulers is basically giving the religious leaders cart-blanche ok to crackdown on the opposition; its going to be bloody.
What is Obama, President of the fucking world?

They don't need his permission to fuck over their own nation's people. They'd do it even if he condemned it. Diplomatically he has to tread carefully to avoid starting another war in the Middle East, Iran can't feel too great about having NATO forces sitting in two neighboring countries. I'm sure personally he wishes the people of Iran all the best but personal opinions can't always be voiced if you hold public office. Any opinion put forward officially by the USA or it's closely allied governments will be used as ammunition by Khamenei and his supporters.
Obama is God and yes he is the leader of the world... or that's what i have heard?

\_/ < empty...

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-06-19 20:34:12

#16

NgoDamWei: Member; +7|5961|Western North Carolina

Oreo sez we can all just be be friends.

The Iranians voted the guy into office, let them get him out of office. The last thing we need is to get into this fomenting dogpile.

Our populace voted for a change and that's exactly what ya got. Bush supposedly angered the world by butting in where we didn't belong so let's give them all the rope they need to hang themselves.

Iran's rulers today were the rebels of 1979. Todays rebels will be the leaders 30 years from now...whether we like it or not.

No lawyers, no guns, no money ... Warren Zevon need not apply.

2009-06-19 20:37:22

#17

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6703|North Carolina

NgoDamWei wrote:
Oreo sez we can all just be be friends.

The Iranians voted the guy into office, let them get him out of office. The last thing we need is to get into this fomenting dogpile.

Our populace voted for a change and that's exactly what ya got. Bush supposedly angered the world by butting in where we didn't belong so let's give them all the rope they need to hang themselves.

Iran's rulers today were the rebels of 1979. Todays rebels will be the leaders 30 years from now...whether we like it or not.

No lawyers, no guns, no money ... Warren Zevon need not apply.

If you think about it, it's probably a good thing for Obama to stay quiet on this. The hardliners don't need anymore ammunition to analogize Mousavi with Western "imperialists".

It would actually be much more effective for us to exploit the chaos in Iran through subtle means (like secretly arming an insurgency there).

2009-06-19 21:23:27

#18

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|6000|College Park, MD

Turquoise wrote:
(like secretly arming an insurgency there).

woe be unto he who forgetteh the past

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2009-06-19 21:31:55

#19

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6899|132 and Bush

When people are already demonstrating a fundamental shift from traditional anti-western thought why the hell would you jeapordize it? Meddling will no doubt fuel the opposition. And really, quite frankly it's none of our fucking business. Can you imagine the roles reversed.. tha fuck ppl.

Who knew turq was a Neocon? ..lol jk

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-06-19 21:40:52

#20

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6481|Ireland

They want what Iraq has. I never thought I would say that in my life time.

2009-06-19 22:38:53

#21

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6827|Global Command

Kmarion wrote:
I disagree with Obama on many things .. but .. Give me a break.

He's not "green lighting" anything. Both Clinton and he are just repeating the same "it's an internal issue" verbiage. They have to be careful. Taking a position behind Mousavi might not be a great idea for them. While Mousavi is more progressive in his views, I don't think his nuclear position is that much different. In fact Mousavi jump-started Iran's nuclear program in the 80's.

Side note: There are some great photographs here: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/0 … ction.html

Also, he was a member of the bunch of guys who seized power in a revolution in 1979. I can't provide a link but The Revolutionary Guard killed many people.

Obama can't say a whole bunch.

It would be extraordinarily dangerous to foment a revolution with a statement. That would make Russia and China both very angry.

2009-06-20 00:00:41

#22

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6835|Long Island, New York

Harmor wrote:
By not speaking out Obama against totalitarian rulers is basically giving the religious leaders cart-blanche ok to crackdown on the opposition; its going to be bloody.

Yes, because we all know creating revolutions from the outside rather than the inside has worked so well for us previously. Bay of Pigs...

Like...lowing...said, let the Iranian people deal with it. It's clear to me that something major's about to occur. The US should take a 100% and totally neutral stance from here on out.

2009-06-20 07:32:41

#23

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6846|San Diego, CA, USA

WTF guys, we are not Switzerland...we're the United States! Where ever this is tyranny, where ever there is oppression, where ever there is injustice we should speak against it!

We must support the Iranian opposition. Anything less would be supporting the current regime.

2009-06-20 07:34:55

#24

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6853

Harmor wrote:
WTF guys, we are not Switzerland...we're the United States! Where ever this is tyranny, where ever there is oppression, where ever there is injustice we should speak against it!

Wow. This is the problem with America, all rolled up in one post.

Newsflash: Mind your own fucking business on the internal affairs of others. Didn't see you backing the Chechens or the Tibetans so shut the fuck up.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-06-20 07:35:54)

2009-06-20 07:35:22

#25

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6703|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:
When people are already demonstrating a fundamental shift from traditional anti-western thought why the hell would you jeapordize it? Meddling will no doubt fuel the opposition. And really, quite frankly it's none of our fucking business. Can you imagine the roles reversed.. tha fuck ppl.

Who knew turq was a Neocon? ..lol jk

To a degree, I agree with interventionism. I still think invading Iraq was stupid, but I have nothing against exploiting instability.

With Iran, it is rather naive to think that standing by will allow the pro-West people in Iran to succeed.

The Soviets helped cause the Islamic Revolution, and thus, we should help cause a pro-Western one.

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