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2009-06-12 16:03:03
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6001|College Park, MD
I've noticed that there are a fair few people who are outspoken against gentrification. For those who don't know, gentrification is the process of poor/run down neighborhoods being bought out by higher income residents and developers. Usually the neighborhoods become much nicer and safer, but the poorer residents are usually pushed out.

That's really the only complaint I've ever heard, that and that the neighborhood loses its "soul." Which I find a mildly silly argument. What soul? Shitty schools? Liquor stores? Shootings and crime? Metal bars on your windows and doors? There are a lot of neighborhoods in DC that 10 years ago were pretty unsafe for anyone to go to. Now a lot of them have improved greatly. People actually WANT to go there and live there. There are new shops, and local businesses that were already established and are lucrative see more business. The ones that weren't lucrative usually get closed down.

It's a shame that the poorer residents usually have to move, but frankly if they want to stay in a nice neighborhood then they should work towards it.

What are your thoughts on this?
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2009-06-12 16:05:34
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6280|Toronto
I am all for it. We've had that happen a lot in Paris; although I'm sad to report that the reverse has happened a lot too, where well-off residents are too afraid to stay.
I like pie.
2009-06-12 16:16:34
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6705|North Carolina
It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Poor people have to live somewhere, but I guess it's better to have them in some out of the way place than in the downtown of a major city.
2009-06-12 16:21:37
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6001|College Park, MD

Turquoise wrote:

It's kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.

Poor people have to live somewhere, but I guess it's better to have them in some out of the way place than in the downtown of a major city.
I wouldn't say it's "better" or "worse" but it just happens to be the way things crumble. Money is the ultimate source of power. And people with money are sick of living in suburbs where they have to drive to do anything, be it grab a cup of coffee or go grocery shopping. So people with money buy property in urban areas, fix them, and price them accordingly for the people who really want to move to these new urban areas.

I have a feeling a lot of the people who dislike gentrification are the same kind of people who want the government to make sure that they don't have any personal responsibilities.
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2009-06-12 16:25:56
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7019|California

Its not something this country needs right now. Its the textbook case of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

People need to help themselves. Those that are physically or mentally unable to do so should be helped. All others are on there own.
2009-06-12 17:01:19
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6829|Global Command
I like it better than this;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina … rvive.html
2009-06-12 17:01:51
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|5998
It is already happening in New York City. The process is not as fast as people are making it out to be. I give it another 15-30 years before we start seeing loads of people moving out.
2009-06-12 17:16:18
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6001|College Park, MD

12/f/taiwan wrote:

It is already happening in New York City. The process is not as fast as people are making it out to be. I give it another 15-30 years before we start seeing loads of people moving out.
Yeah I hear a lot of complaints about places like Washington Heights and Harlem and most of Brooklyn being gentrified.

Also, another nice thing about gentrification: given that environmental friendliness is the hot thing right now, a lot of new developments are 'green' because they know that the people who are looking for housing in the city would love to boast about how their new residence is green.
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2009-06-12 17:19:04
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5885

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

I've noticed that there are a fair few people who are outspoken against gentrification. For those who don't know, gentrification is the process of poor/run down neighborhoods being bought out by higher income residents and developers. Usually the neighborhoods become much nicer and safer, but the poorer residents are usually pushed out.

That's really the only complaint I've ever heard, that and that the neighborhood loses its "soul." Which I find a mildly silly argument. What soul? Shitty schools? Liquor stores? Shootings and crime? Metal bars on your windows and doors? There are a lot of neighborhoods in DC that 10 years ago were pretty unsafe for anyone to go to. Now a lot of them have improved greatly. People actually WANT to go there and live there. There are new shops, and local businesses that were already established and are lucrative see more business. The ones that weren't lucrative usually get closed down.

It's a shame that the poorer residents usually have to move, but frankly if they want to stay in a nice neighborhood then they should work towards it.

What are your thoughts on this?
The poor people just end up moving to other areas to continue being a poor burden. Other then pushing them into the ocean it solves nothing in the long term but just creates problems for another group somewhere else.
2009-06-12 17:22:21
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|5998

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

12/f/taiwan wrote:

It is already happening in New York City. The process is not as fast as people are making it out to be. I give it another 15-30 years before we start seeing loads of people moving out.
Yeah I hear a lot of complaints about places like Washington Heights and Harlem and most of Brooklyn being gentrified.

Also, another nice thing about gentrification: given that environmental friendliness is the hot thing right now, a lot of new developments are 'green' because they know that the people who are looking for housing in the city would love to boast about how their new residence is green.
Harlem/Washington Heights and all of the lower class neighborhoods in Manhattan. Just the other day I saw a Co-op near where I work(Lower East Side of Manhattan). And in Brooklyn they just started in the areas around Astroland. Motherfuckers took out the boat ride I went on every year.
2009-06-12 17:43:49
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6705|North Carolina

ATG wrote:

I like it better than this;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/fina … rvive.html
Bulldozing places like Flint isn't such a bad idea.  A lot of Michigan and Ohio could use a plan like that.

 

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