Poll

New Monitor which one would you buy?

Asus Vk246h30%30% - 3
Samsung P237010%10% - 1
Samsung 2333sw10%10% - 1
Lg W2453v-pf10%10% - 1
Asus Mk241h30%30% - 3
Other, please specify :)10%10% - 1
Total: 10
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7019|Grapevine, TX
Doing some more shopping Really appreciate a few minutes of your time in helping me decide!! Karmaz for all!!!!

Specs:
Name    Intel Core 2 Duo E6700
Code Name    Conroe
Specification    Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz OC'ed to 3GHz with Zalman 9700
Package    Socket 775 LGA
Multiplier x Bus speed    6.0 x 300.0 MHz
Rated Bus speed    1200.1 MHz
Stock frequency    2666 MHz
Mainboard Model    AB9/AB9RPO(Intel965+ICH8)
Memory Size    4096 MBytes
Module 1    DDR2, PC2-6400 (400 MHz), 2048 MBytes, OCZ Reaper 4-4-4-15
Module 2    DDR2, PC2-6400 (400 MHz), 2048 MBytes, OCZ Reaper 4-4-4-15
Video Card ATI XFX HD 4770 card!
HD WD Velociraptor 150Gb
WD 120
WD 250
WD 500
Zalman GS1000 case <3

Monitor wants: HD (1080), high contrast, low response time, DVI/HDMI, 24" (give or take with best monitor)

#1 https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-236-048-04.jpg
ASUS VK246H Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 1000:1 (ASCR 20000:1 ) Built in Speakers w/ 1.3m Pixel Webcam - Retail Built-in 1.3MP webcam
Original Price: $259.99
You Save: $20.00
$239.99
Free Shipping*

#2 https://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/24-001-330-TS?$S180W$
SAMSUNG P2370 High glossy black 23" 2ms(GTG) Widescreen LCD Monitor 250 cd/m2 DC 50000:1(1000:1) - Retail
Original Price: $299.99
You Save: $20.00
$279.99
($259.99 after $20.00 Mail-In
Shipping $7.00

#3https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-001-314-03.jpg
SAMSUNG 2333SW High Glossy Black 23" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 20000:1 (1000:1) w/ HPCP Support - Retail Full 1080P
Original Price: $279.99
You Save: $45.00
$234.99
($214.99 after $20.00 Mail-In
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#4https://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/24-005-126-S01?$S180W$
LG W2453V-PF Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Full HD 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 50000:1 w/ Smart Package - Retail
Original Price: $349.99
You Save: $30.00
$319.99
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#5https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-236-033-02.jpg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … SUS MK241H Black 24" 2ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with 1.3M Pixel Webcam 450 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 3000:1) Built in Speakers - Retail
Original Price: $299.99
You Save: $20.00
$279.99
($259.99 after $20.00 Mail-In
Free Shipping*Color Saturation 92% (NTSC)

#6 thx eBughttps://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-001-280-03.jpg
SAMSUNG ToC T240HD Rose-Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen HDTV Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 10000:1 Built in DTV Tuner & Dolby Digital Surround Speakers - Retail
Original Price: $399.99
You Save: $80.00
$319.99
Shipping $27.50

Last edited by (T)eflon(S)hadow (2009-06-10 14:33:46)

.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6644|The Twilight Zone
I only trust Samsung when it comes to LCD screens
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(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7019|Grapevine, TX
OK, find me a Samsung that you recommend, dosent have to be this particular one
link please?
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6502

Samsung T240HD $80 off

Don't get a high glossy/glossy finish monitor. You'll regret it if you have any windows in your computer room.

Last edited by ebug9 (2009-06-10 14:16:26)

(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7019|Grapevine, TX
Thanks ebug! wow with a HD TV tuner and remote
adding this to the list
Aries_37
arrivederci frog
+368|6765|London
don't add it to the list. that's the one you want to buy
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6644|The Twilight Zone
the one ebug posted is pretty neat
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GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6605|Finland

T240HD definately
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Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|5979|Catherine Black
... and an impressive 10000:1 dynamic contrast ratio.
I smell shite...
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GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6605|Finland

Finray wrote:

... and an impressive 10000:1 dynamic contrast ratio.
I smell shite...
mr. Sherlock. Everyone knows marketing bs is bs.
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Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6680|Gogledd Cymru

Got the Samsung T260HD, it's fucking awesome, hooked up my PS3 and PC to it. It's brilliant and I assume the T240HD will be aswell.
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7019|Grapevine, TX
Samsung T260HD it iz then! CC charged! Thanks alot guys!
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6772|SE London

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

T240HD definately
Really?

I always thought they were a bit shit. I've used many. I don't like them. Poor panel quality, poor colour accuracy (which you always get with these dithering panels), bad viewing angles and not even very good high motion response.

The Dell 2408WFP is a far superior display. I can't understand the number of people who really cheap out on these horrible TN panels (even though they are much better than they used to be, they still don't cut it up against VA panels).
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6605|Finland

Bertster7 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

T240HD definately
Really?

I always thought they were a bit shit. I've used many. I don't like them. Poor panel quality, poor colour accuracy (which you always get with these dithering panels), bad viewing angles and not even very good high motion response.

The Dell 2408WFP is a far superior display. I can't understand the number of people who really cheap out on these horrible TN panels (even though they are much better than they used to be, they still don't cut it up against VA panels).
Well I'm really not going to pay double the price to get a panel that would be nice for photoeditor, when good TN is more than good enough for gaming, movies, web browsing and such. I'm sure you understand.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-06-11 05:11:17)

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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6772|SE London

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

T240HD definately
Really?

I always thought they were a bit shit. I've used many. I don't like them. Poor panel quality, poor colour accuracy (which you always get with these dithering panels), bad viewing angles and not even very good high motion response.

The Dell 2408WFP is a far superior display. I can't understand the number of people who really cheap out on these horrible TN panels (even though they are much better than they used to be, they still don't cut it up against VA panels).
Well I'm really not going to pay double the price to get a panel that would be nice for photoeditor, when good TN is more than good enough for gaming, movies, web browsing and such. I'm sure you understand.
I understand a lot of people have low standards when it comes to displays. Doesn't change the fact they don't produce very good images. Colour reproduction is the most important thing a monitor does. All the T240s I've used have seemed to have a strange hue to all the colours and changing colour temp just changed the hue a bit - nothing looks clean on it.

It's not twice the price anyway. It's typically about £300 for the Samsung and about £400 for the Dell, that's only 25% more - about the same as the number of extra colours you get for your money.

If you're doing photoediting then only retards use LCDs at all (well, virtually all the photo editors I know use CRTs). Anyone with sense will use a quality CRT.

Cheaping out on what is possibly the most important piece of hardware associated with a computer (because it's the bit you spend all your time looking at) is, in my opinion, hugely shortsighted.

I'm not advocating splashing out on extremely expensive IPS based panels (which are often less suitable for casual use anyway for a variety of reasons). You don't need to go out and buy an Eizo or suchlike (although I've got one - didn't pay for it though and it still isn't up to the standards of my Lacie and Iiyama CRTs) because for normal use they're not very good and the pricing is prohibitively high. But quality mainstream VA panels are clearly the best choice for someone with eyes that work properly. The 2408WFP is probably the best example of a quality mainstream VA panel around.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-06-11 06:33:21)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6605|Finland

Well either the T240HD uses different quality panel than T220 or something because I and lots of ppl like it (T220) a lot. And is pretty sweet for gaming too. (have a 75hz LCD and CRT too to compare with)

I don't have Dells widely available here. It was either T220 for bit over 200€ or a 400-500€ quality panel.

edit: for that price it was pretty good deal IMO. Will get a kickass monitor when those LED backlight monitors come to mainstream.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-06-11 07:08:25)

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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6772|SE London

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Well either the T240HD uses different quality panel than T220 or something because I and lots of ppl like it (T220) a lot. And is pretty sweet for gaming too.

I don't have Dells widely available here. It was either T220 for bit over 200€ or a 400-500€ quality panel.
I don't think I've used a T220, so can't comment. I have had a few T240s pass through my possesion, both at home and at work.

I don't understand the rationale behind recommending the T240HD either. Why not the vanilla T240? It's cheaper and has better contrast.

Most people do have Dells widely available and the 2408WFP is an awesome monitor. The fact that loads of people, particularly round here, seem to be hung up on cheap Samsungs, is a shame. At this sort of end of the market people need to focus more on quality. If you're buying a 19" LCD for basic use then it really doesn't matter and Samsung make exceptionally good panels to cater to that market - but for larger panels for use by enthusiasts it seems foolish to recommend dirty TN panels.

It's like recommending Logitech speakers in one of Freezers audio threads....

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-06-11 07:13:15)

GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6605|Finland

Bertster7 wrote:

It's like recommending Logitech speakers in one of Freezers audio threads....
Some ppl can't stand TN, many will be just fine with them. Its like some ppl will be just fine with the mediocre Creative speaker set.
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Jenspm
penis
+1,716|6922|St. Andrews / Oslo

Bertster7 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

T240HD definately
Really?

I always thought they were a bit shit. I've used many. I don't like them. Poor panel quality, poor colour accuracy (which you always get with these dithering panels), bad viewing angles and not even very good high motion response.

The Dell 2408WFP is a far superior display. I can't understand the number of people who really cheap out on these horrible TN panels (even though they are much better than they used to be, they still don't cut it up against VA panels).
I haven't tried these panels, but I've heard the same thing - that the Dell is better.
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GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6605|Finland

If it makes any difference, I will be switching to 24" when I get 120Hz, LED-backlit and one sweet panel at affordable price.

When are those coming anyway? 2011-2012 ?

But I just couldn't justify spending the extra in current quality LCDs, no when the 120Hz LED stuff is coming and the T220 (which I had a good look at the store before buying it) is good for my use.
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Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6772|SE London

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

If it makes any difference, I will be switching to 24" when I get 120Hz, LED-backlit and one sweet panel at affordable price.

When are those coming anyway? 2011-2012 ?

But I just couldn't justify spending the extra in current quality LCDs, no when the 120Hz LED stuff is coming and the T220 (which I had a good look at the store before buying it) is good for my use.
That's fair enough. A monitor is a big purchase. Kinda like a case, it'll usually last through several builds and having a good one is very important (imo).

On the subject of fast refresh displays - has anyone seen those new 400Hz Panasonics with IFC? I'm curious as to how good they really are.
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|6922|St. Andrews / Oslo

Bertster7 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

If it makes any difference, I will be switching to 24" when I get 120Hz, LED-backlit and one sweet panel at affordable price.

When are those coming anyway? 2011-2012 ?

But I just couldn't justify spending the extra in current quality LCDs, no when the 120Hz LED stuff is coming and the T220 (which I had a good look at the store before buying it) is good for my use.
That's fair enough. A monitor is a big purchase. Kinda like a case, it'll usually last through several builds and having a good one is very important (imo).

On the subject of fast refresh displays - has anyone seen those new 400Hz Panasonics with IFC? I'm curious as to how good they really are.
meh, from what I understand, anything >100Hz is a mere gimmick. Hell, for movies, 60Hz is better, as the current day 100Hz technology isn't perfect yet, making movements "unnatural".

when 100Hz isn't perfected yet, I can only assume that 400Hz is worse (admittedly, I haven't had the chance to see that 400Hz TV - when I was in the store they had some sort of problem and could only show 100Hz..)
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Jean_Peste_tu?
Yes I Do
+44|6810|Auteuil, Laval
When reproducing colors you have to compare with the source.  And most of the time nobody can't.  I'm in the graphic industry and colors are daily stuff here.  If your monitor is not calibrated by a professionnal service you don't see accurate colors.  Period.  The gamut from monitor to monitor are not the same, even if you compare 2 monitors made back to back on the assembly line, none will be the same.  You get more than a single delta E of difference, we went through that at work.  We wanted to get color aproved proofs over the net but atm it's not possible, too much variables.

Just pick one of a good quality and enjoy.

I'm still happy of my T220.  My old Iiyama was dying
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6644|The Twilight Zone
Sheriff has the bigger brother of the T240 and he said its a good display so if its good for him its not good for Teflon? I can understand its not good enough for you though Bert
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