:\ How'd the other guy look?FatherTed wrote:
Me as an example, in the past two years i've had 3 new sets of front teeth, and major surgery on a hand. and i'd say i'm an average UK citizen. So (if i was paying taxes) it'd have cost me (private) £4500 on the teeth, and fuck knows how much on the hand.
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i spent around 1000 also for health care and dental......with 30 dollars worth of copays. how is your system better then what i have?
oh no, not fight related. explained in that thread in ee atm.Macbeth wrote:
:\ How'd the other guy look?FatherTed wrote:
Me as an example, in the past two years i've had 3 new sets of front teeth, and major surgery on a hand. and i'd say i'm an average UK citizen. So (if i was paying taxes) it'd have cost me (private) £4500 on the teeth, and fuck knows how much on the hand.
oh i wasn't giving any opinion, just got a little intrigued how much the NHS might actually cost someone.usmarine wrote:
i spent around 1000 also for health care and dental......with 30 dollars worth of copays. how is your system better then what i have?
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Some employer plans are quite good. The problem is that, in the long run, having a society dependent on employer plans is less competitive than one dependent on an NHS.usmarine wrote:
i spent around 1000 also for health care and dental......with 30 dollars worth of copays. how is your system better then what i have?
For example, if a company is looking to move into the U.S., a major consideration is how much the employer plan will cost the company vs. moving to a country with an NHS. In many cases, moving to the other country with the NHS is cheaper.
Socialized medicine takes much of the burden of care off of companies and puts it on the general public. This is a good thing, because costs can be more evenly spread among a much larger group of people.
The funny thing is... we often hear about how much Europeans pay in personal taxes, yet their corporate taxes are often lower than ours. As a result of this, it encourages companies to reinvest more, rather than having the owners of said companies pocket a lot of the money.
So, there are multiple reasons as to why the European systems generally work better for healthcare.
Still, one of the main drawbacks to socialized healthcare in Europe is inferior infrastructures (like a scarcity of MRI machines). If we socialized our current infrastructure, this wouldn't be a problem, because we have a much more advanced medical infrastructure than basically all of the world.
So all the talk of waiting times is actually inaccurate when applied to how a socialized system for us would be. Also, keep in mind that our waiting times currently aren't so great with a private system, because of oligopolistic suppliers in many cities. That would change under a socialized system.
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I did some research on the internet and setup an account at https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ . I've been getting calls all day long for the last week, each promising to beat the others rate. It's amazing how competitive it is. Don't believe me? Try it!usmarine wrote:
i spent around 1000 also for health care and dental......with 30 dollars worth of copays. how is your system better then what i have?
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quiet kumarion, bloody telemarketersKmarion wrote:
I did some research on the internet and setup an account at https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ . I've been getting calls all day long for the last week, each promising to beat the others rate. It's amazing how competitive it is. Don't believe me? Try it!usmarine wrote:
i spent around 1000 also for health care and dental......with 30 dollars worth of copays. how is your system better then what i have?
i might. but i would rather have the govt pay for it which means i will pay more but meh... NHS just sounds better than saving money.Kmarion wrote:
I did some research on the internet and setup an account at https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ . I've been getting calls all day long for the last week, each promising to beat the others rate. It's amazing how competitive it is. Don't believe me? Try it!usmarine wrote:
i spent around 1000 also for health care and dental......with 30 dollars worth of copays. how is your system better then what i have?
Here is the thing, I am no fan of govt. controlled anything you know that, however I was speaking with my eye doctor the other day, and he said he is in favor of a nationalised healthcare system.usmarine wrote:
erm...whats the difference? now the govt would profit. yay. at least this way i make my own fucking choices.DrunkFace wrote:
usmarine wrote:
who in their right fucking mind would want the govt a corporation that profits off you being sick run your health care?
HE also disclaimed his hatred of govt. control as well, however he said that the insurance companies are such a pain in the ass to deal with he is ready for anything. The constant denial of payment for services by the company has left him, and according to him, most doctors wanting away from any system that leaves them at the mercy of the insurance conglomerates.
of course, he would get paid faster.
Well nothing wrong with that, he has performed a service for a fee, he should expect payment not the royal runaround. I am sure he has 8 years of medical school to pay for along with other bills. Or is he not supposed to expect payment?usmarine wrote:
of course, he would get paid faster.
i didnt say that. but, the govt aint the answer. it may be better for him, but it will be worse for us. i am sure he drives a nice car and has a nice house still.lowing wrote:
Well nothing wrong with that, he has performed a service for a fee, he should expect payment not the royal runaround. I am sure he has 8 years of medical school to pay for along with other bills. Or is he not supposed to expect payment?usmarine wrote:
of course, he would get paid faster.
To that point I can not argue.usmarine wrote:
i didnt say that. but, the govt aint the answer. it may be better for him, but it will be worse for us. i am sure he drives a nice car and has a nice house still.lowing wrote:
Well nothing wrong with that, he has performed a service for a fee, he should expect payment not the royal runaround. I am sure he has 8 years of medical school to pay for along with other bills. Or is he not supposed to expect payment?usmarine wrote:
of course, he would get paid faster.
Except to say that I have no problem with a doctor having a nice life, he has EARNED IT. I would not think you would have a problem with it either.
But when the current system is being assrapd by insurance companies, I do respect his frustrations, as well as a patients frustrations when their services are constantly denied coverage for no other reason than because the insurance company knows most people will not fight it.
But I solicited them skeeter.Mekstizzle wrote:
quiet kumarion, bloody telemarketersKmarion wrote:
I did some research on the internet and setup an account at https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ . I've been getting calls all day long for the last week, each promising to beat the others rate. It's amazing how competitive it is. Don't believe me? Try it!usmarine wrote:
i spent around 1000 also for health care and dental......with 30 dollars worth of copays. how is your system better then what i have?
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Ok.. it's out now.Nic wrote:
i did notice that.DrunkFace wrote:
He can speak, thats for sure. But he didn't say one thing about what these 'reforms' are.
http://keithhennessey.com/wp-content/up … -draft.pdf
Have a ball.
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The last year in which I could afford full coverage for my family cost me 12k out of pocket.
I welcome our new Lord and Savior and ask that he watch o'er me and mine, grant us low copay's and binding coverage for all illnesses, real or imagined.
The obligatory hyperbole aside, I'd be for this if it only applied to legal U.S. citizens and wasn't the typical government clusterfuck.
I welcome our new Lord and Savior and ask that he watch o'er me and mine, grant us low copay's and binding coverage for all illnesses, real or imagined.
The obligatory hyperbole aside, I'd be for this if it only applied to legal U.S. citizens and wasn't the typical government clusterfuck.
Marine makes my arguments much better than I do, and in much fewer words.
I breezed through it.. but from what I saw..er didn't see... how are they going to pay for all of these reforms?
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I would not call it an unbiased source, but it does makes some valid points.
http://keithhennessey.com/2009/06/08/ke … alth-bill/
http://keithhennessey.com/2009/06/08/ke … alth-bill/
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/08/ … index.htmlRepublican senators urged President Obama to say no to a government-run health care plan, cautioning in a letter Monday that the public expects Congress to tackle an overhaul of the system in "an open, honest and bipartisan manner."
Critics say a government-sponsored option could drive out private insurers and potentially lower the quality of health care. Some fear that such a program would hurt those who have a plan they like, because employers would opt for the government program if it were less expensive.
Rep. John Conyers, D-Michigan, has introduced a government-sponsored option that he says is intended to reduce health care disparities for all Americans. The bill includes funding provisions that would use existing government sources and a tax increase on the top 5 percent of income earners.
I'm so not quote mining the article. Anyway what would you do with healthcare if it was up to you?
Thanks to the Post Office, it's called "snail mail" for a reason. The DMV is one of the worst places to go and is vastly inefficient.
I'd much rather pay a little more for healthcare that works. It is my life after all. Government-run healthcare just seems like a giant step backwards, and I can't see how people are in support of it. In fact, more things need to be privatized and allow companies to compete. Choices are better for the consumer, and Darwinism works; the good companies succeed, the shitty ones fail, win-win.
I'd much rather pay a little more for healthcare that works. It is my life after all. Government-run healthcare just seems like a giant step backwards, and I can't see how people are in support of it. In fact, more things need to be privatized and allow companies to compete. Choices are better for the consumer, and Darwinism works; the good companies succeed, the shitty ones fail, win-win.
lol TARPmtb0minime wrote:
Thanks to the Post Office, it's called "snail mail" for a reason. The DMV is one of the worst places to go and is vastly inefficient.
I'd much rather pay a little more for healthcare that works. It is my life after all. Government-run healthcare just seems like a giant step backwards, and I can't see how people are in support of it. In fact, more things need to be privatized and allow companies to compete. Choices are better for the consumer, and Darwinism works; the good companies succeed, the shitty ones fail, win-win.
Aaaanyway, Australia looks on course to have it's govt. funded side of healthcare die off. We have a system running probably about half/half as it is. Apparently our aging population is the cause of us losing it.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Er.. didn't the weekly radio address I posted just say it was going to?
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Do you people not understand THEY ARE NOT FORCING YOU TO GIVE UP YOUR PRIVATE INSURANCE THIS IS JUST TO GET HEALTHCARE TO THE MILLIONS OF UNINSURED AMERICANS. You can keep your hoitty toitty private insurance that gives you coverage for everything you need and don't need. What is your big problem with getting healthcare to the people who need it .
Critics say a government-sponsored option could drive out private insurersNarupug wrote:
Do you people not understand THEY ARE NOT FORCING YOU TO GIVE UP YOUR PRIVATE INSURANCE THIS IS JUST TO GET HEALTHCARE TO THE MILLIONS OF UNINSURED AMERICANS. You can keep your hoitty toitty private insurance that gives you coverage for everything you need and don't need. What is your big problem with getting healthcare to the people who need it .
I know the key word there is "could". But still...
Well if you people are so enthusiastic bout keeping your private insurance shouldn't be a problem. I think I heard some of the bill is to require employers to provided healthcare, except for some small businesses, so it might balance outmtb0minime wrote:
Critics say a government-sponsored option could drive out private insurersNarupug wrote:
Do you people not understand THEY ARE NOT FORCING YOU TO GIVE UP YOUR PRIVATE INSURANCE THIS IS JUST TO GET HEALTHCARE TO THE MILLIONS OF UNINSURED AMERICANS. You can keep your hoitty toitty private insurance that gives you coverage for everything you need and don't need. What is your big problem with getting healthcare to the people who need it .
I know the key word there is "could". But still...
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