Nah, he wasn't raised in Nazi Germany and taught to hate that particular group. He was raised in modern America, where Islam is the target.Dilbert_X wrote:
Then presumably you despise the jews just as fiercely as the moslems, since judaism IS based closely on the OT?
Arranged marriages are legal in India and Pakistan and a few other countries, didn't know they were cool with child molestation in or out of wedlock though.FatherTed wrote:
most of saharan africa.Flecco wrote:
Still waiting on you to point out more than one country this is acceptable in....
india and pakistan too (albeit in the northen regions)
Look, I will not buy your argument that Sharia Law made a "mis-judgement" simply because not all parties were in agreement to the selling of this girl. And if ALL parties were in agreement that this would prove Sharia Law works!!Uzique wrote:
It doesn't speak volumes Lowing, the only reason I resort to personal name-attacking is because your own methodology of proving a personal thesis in debate is to reach false conclusions and assumptions, extending small holes in other people's arguments to somehow magically prove your own correctness. Doesn't work like that.
If you had read my posts you would see that I considered the singular example of wrong judgement in the Shariah court in the same way that a bad judgement is made in the British Crown Court or American Supreme Court- bad decisions get made all the time, it doesn't imply that every Christian walking around these nations is a child-molester or an approver of such misconduct. Legally, Christianity and US law allows innocent people to burn on the electric chair, so by that fact would you extend your logic to denounce all of your co-patriot brethren?
You may not consider yourself a Christian anymore, but it would be naive to suppose that a lack of faith or participation in organised religion somehow makes you immune to the cultural morality and belief system that you are very much an integrated part of. Unless you are anything short of an American revolutionary, a posit which your political stance clearly proves as being absurd, then you're hardly exempt from the Christian influences on your everyday thought, reasoning and judgement. It's impossible to disassociate yourself from these preconceptions that are ingrained in you from a young age by whatever society and company you are raised in. Your prejudices and hasty willingness to discredit and flame Islam into oblivion are a clear indicator of your religious bullshittery. No one else cares to create some elaborate arguments or discriminations against an entire region of the world and its entire population off one fucking court-case alone.
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Nope, the Jews are not actively trying to blow up shit in the west at every turn. The Jews have not stated their intent to convert the world to Judaism. The Jews are not strapping bombing to children in the name of God and blowing up innocent people. Jewish plots against the west are not being uncovered DAILY.Dilbert_X wrote:
Then presumably you despise the jews just as fiercely as the moslems, since judaism IS based closely on the OT?
Never said "all Muslims are cunts"Flecco wrote:
Arranged marriages are legal in India and Pakistan and a few other countries, didn't know they were cool with child molestation in or out of wedlock though.FatherTed wrote:
most of saharan africa.Flecco wrote:
Still waiting on you to point out more than one country this is acceptable in....
india and pakistan too (albeit in the northen regions)
Hmm... Learn something new every day. Btw everything is legal in Northern/Saharan Africa if you have a big gun/militia warband. There is no rule of law in places like Sudan and such outside government strongholds so saying something is legal/illegal is pointless. Widespread corruption also lets you get away with a lot just by having some decent cash behind you.
lowing, here's an idea, instead of saying all Muslims are cunts, say the Saudi Government and fundamentalist/Wahhabist Islamic priests are cunts. People wouldn't be so shitty then.
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You could apply that exact same sentence to Christianity, word-for-word.lowing wrote:
Never said "all Muslims are cunts"Flecco wrote:
Arranged marriages are legal in India and Pakistan and a few other countries, didn't know they were cool with child molestation in or out of wedlock though.FatherTed wrote:
most of saharan africa.
india and pakistan too (albeit in the northen regions)
Hmm... Learn something new every day. Btw everything is legal in Northern/Saharan Africa if you have a big gun/militia warband. There is no rule of law in places like Sudan and such outside government strongholds so saying something is legal/illegal is pointless. Widespread corruption also lets you get away with a lot just by having some decent cash behind you.
lowing, here's an idea, instead of saying all Muslims are cunts, say the Saudi Government and fundamentalist/Wahhabist Islamic priests are cunts. People wouldn't be so shitty then.
Why not as a Muslim stop being so concerned over the IMAGE of Islam , and start concerning yourself with the practices and actions committed under Islam and the people it affects, ( in and outside of your beloved peaceful tolerant, )
By 'material' I mean aspects of the societal superstructure, e.g. the organised law courts and enforcing of popular morality. Some of the Saharan countries and Middle-Eastern states being criticised are nowhere near stable enough to reasonably be expected to support any form of objective and fair legal system.Myself wrote:
Strip away all of the material human constructs and Christianity is still just as brutal, as biased and as flawed as Islam or Judaism. Threads like this are just a competition in ascertaining which of the 3 fails the least at any given point. It's all ultimately fucking fruitless.
Well they said he did cure lepers. He did cure the blind. He did return from the dead.lowing wrote:
I see, so now a lack of evidence, the fact that no one said he DID, means he could have. Love to see that argument in court.AussieReaper wrote:
What are you basing that on? There is no record of Jesus as a teenager. He could have been stalking young children and raping babies for all we know.lowing wrote:
IF he were a child molester and a murderer, Jesus probably would not have the historical following he does.
Just because Saul wrote what a great guy he was, does not make it so. You yourself have said you don't believe the rising from the dead story, etc so how does anything else written about Jesus become fact?
1. Problem is, Christians are not legally sanctioning child sex slavery, ( with the approval of the parents of course)Uzique wrote:
You could apply that exact same sentence to Christianity, word-for-word.lowing wrote:
Never said "all Muslims are cunts"Flecco wrote:
Arranged marriages are legal in India and Pakistan and a few other countries, didn't know they were cool with child molestation in or out of wedlock though.
Hmm... Learn something new every day. Btw everything is legal in Northern/Saharan Africa if you have a big gun/militia warband. There is no rule of law in places like Sudan and such outside government strongholds so saying something is legal/illegal is pointless. Widespread corruption also lets you get away with a lot just by having some decent cash behind you.
lowing, here's an idea, instead of saying all Muslims are cunts, say the Saudi Government and fundamentalist/Wahhabist Islamic priests are cunts. People wouldn't be so shitty then.
Why not as a Muslim stop being so concerned over the IMAGE of Islam , and start concerning yourself with the practices and actions committed under Islam and the people it affects, ( in and outside of your beloved peaceful tolerant, )By 'material' I mean aspects of the societal superstructure, e.g. the organised law courts and enforcing of popular morality. Some of the Saharan countries and Middle-Eastern states being criticised are nowhere near stable enough to reasonably be expected to support any form of objective and fair legal system.Myself wrote:
Strip away all of the material human constructs and Christianity is still just as brutal, as biased and as flawed as Islam or Judaism. Threads like this are just a competition in ascertaining which of the 3 fails the least at any given point. It's all ultimately fucking fruitless.
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I thought the argument was about medieval religious attitudes and treatment of women and children?lowing wrote:
Nope
Correct, they are using F16s to blow up innocent people in the name of god.The Jews are not strapping bombing to children in the name of God and blowing up innocent people.
In case you hadn't noticed they are trying to bring about the end of the world and every culture apart from their own, thats the main point of their religion.Jewish plots against the west are not being uncovered DAILY
1. Not just Jews, there are medical reasons why this is done. The Jews just turned into a celebrationDilbert_X wrote:
I thought the argument was about medieval religious attitudes and treatment of women and children?lowing wrote:
Nope
Just off the top of my head:
The jews cut bits off little boys when they are babies and can't give consent, based on a the teachings of a barbaric old book.
AFAIK Judaism is the only religion which REQUIRES married women to shave their heads, lest a man other than ther husband catch a glimpse of their natural hair.
Israel is one of the major destinations in the world for trafficked women forced into prostitution, a practice the govt can't be bothered to intervene in.Correct, they are using F16s to blow up innocent people in the name of god.The Jews are not strapping bombing to children in the name of God and blowing up innocent people.In case you hadn't noticed they are trying to bring about the end of the world and every culture apart from their own, thats the main point of their religion.Jewish plots against the west are not being uncovered DAILY
your kidding right? You want me to buy off on he was a bad guy because no one said he wasn't?AussieReaper wrote:
Well they said he did cure lepers. He did cure the blind. He did return from the dead.lowing wrote:
I see, so now a lack of evidence, the fact that no one said he DID, means he could have. Love to see that argument in court.AussieReaper wrote:
What are you basing that on? There is no record of Jesus as a teenager. He could have been stalking young children and raping babies for all we know.
Just because Saul wrote what a great guy he was, does not make it so. You yourself have said you don't believe the rising from the dead story, etc so how does anything else written about Jesus become fact?
Love to see that argument in court.
Saul wrote it down years after the died, preach it during his journey. It is fact.
How can you have it one way but not the other?
There is no proof he was a good guy. But you find it easy enough to dismiss that he was a bad guy.
Which can be explained away just as easily as the miracles you brush off.I do speak on the words and the messages he is credited with.
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South Africa - not 6 year old girls, but then the girl in the story wasn't 6. In South Africa it is legal from 12.lowing wrote:
The point is, it is the very "national legal framework" of Islam that condones this bullshit. I kinda thought I made that point several times now.Bertster7 wrote:
Without the national legal framework to prevent this sort of stuff, it still happens in Christian countries.lowing wrote:
What does Sharia Law have to d owith it? It is the Islamic Imams' that uphold Sharia Law, and now it the Islamic govt. that upholds Sharia Law as legal and binding justice.
What DOESN'T Sharia Law, have to do with Islam,?
and please stop excusing this religion for legally recognizing selling a daughter into slavery and sex because, well, no one is perfect.
Your point is?
Also name one Christian country that has legalized the selling of 6 year old girls.
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1. Agree to disagree, circumcision is not done out of malice unlike the practice genital mutilation for the sole purpose of making sure the women (little girl) can not enjoy sex. Ya know, Islam.Dilbert_X wrote:
1. Its barbaric and shouldn't be done to children who can't consent, health benefits are marginal, celebrating mutilating your child is frankly the mark of a perverted backwards religion.
2. And you just hate moslems because their actions against the US are pretty effective.
Bin Laden's objective was to sucker the US into an unwinnable quagmire, reckon he's been successful, I guess thats why you hate him so.
3. Then you've not been paying attention.Which can be explained away just as easily as the miracles you brush off.I do speak on the words and the messages he is credited with.
You can't pick and choose which bit of mumbo-jumbo to treat as gospel and which is irrelevant depending on what suits your agenda.
Or you can, and make a complete ass of yourself, take your pick.
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Yer right the girl in the article was 8 I got confused, Muhammed did the 6 year old.Bertster7 wrote:
South Africa - not 6 year old girls, but then the girl in the story wasn't 6. In South Africa it is legal from 12.lowing wrote:
The point is, it is the very "national legal framework" of Islam that condones this bullshit. I kinda thought I made that point several times now.Bertster7 wrote:
Without the national legal framework to prevent this sort of stuff, it still happens in Christian countries.
Your point is?
Also name one Christian country that has legalized the selling of 6 year old girls.
There are other examples throughout Africa.
And on the matter of child marriage being legal in Christian countries?lowing wrote:
Yer right the girl in the article was 8 I got confused, Muhammed did the 6 year old.Bertster7 wrote:
South Africa - not 6 year old girls, but then the girl in the story wasn't 6. In South Africa it is legal from 12.lowing wrote:
The point is, it is the very "national legal framework" of Islam that condones this bullshit. I kinda thought I made that point several times now.
Also name one Christian country that has legalized the selling of 6 year old girls.
There are other examples throughout Africa.
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am pretty sure you know about islam more than islam scholars. cause they all do not agree on when aisha (rAa) got married.lowing wrote:
Yer right the girl in the article was 8 I got confused, Muhammed did the 6 year old.Bertster7 wrote:
South Africa - not 6 year old girls, but then the girl in the story wasn't 6. In South Africa it is legal from 12.lowing wrote:
The point is, it is the very "national legal framework" of Islam that condones this bullshit. I kinda thought I made that point several times now.
Also name one Christian country that has legalized the selling of 6 year old girls.
There are other examples throughout Africa.
It has already been covered Braddock, it is not legally sanctioned by the govt. or the curch, like it is with Islam and the Saudi govt.Braddock wrote:
Horrible goings-on in Saudi Arabia! Never! ...next you'll be telling me that child abuse is endemic in the Catholic church.
selling a child into marriage is not legal sorry, it is against the law in the US. It is also against the law as an adult to have sex with a child under the age of 18.Bertster7 wrote:
And on the matter of child marriage being legal in Christian countries?lowing wrote:
Yer right the girl in the article was 8 I got confused, Muhammed did the 6 year old.Bertster7 wrote:
South Africa - not 6 year old girls, but then the girl in the story wasn't 6. In South Africa it is legal from 12.
There are other examples throughout Africa.
Kinda puts a bit of a hole in your argument that it is Islam, not national background that is to blame for these things, doesn't it? Especially since it happens widely in communities of a number of other religions.
If you want more examples, I'd be happy to oblige.....
But the do all agree that she was a child. not a teenager a child,and they also agree there is nothing wrong with it, and your point to this is what again?Beduin wrote:
am pretty sure you know about islam more than islam scholars. cause they all do not agree on when aisha (rAa) got married.lowing wrote:
Yer right the girl in the article was 8 I got confused, Muhammed did the 6 year old.Bertster7 wrote:
South Africa - not 6 year old girls, but then the girl in the story wasn't 6. In South Africa it is legal from 12.
There are other examples throughout Africa.
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As they guy said, its like comparing finer points of the cookie-monster and kermit the frog, 2,000 years later based on the writings of people who didn't know them either - if they even existed.lowing wrote:
Please give me a fuckin break with this bullshit you are trying to pass off as far as the life of Jesus. It is desperate at the very least. Already asked before if anyone wanted to do a direct comparison between the mortal lives of Jesus and Muhammed and you all ran for the woodeork. I can not help that.
Who is talking about the US?lowing wrote:
selling a child into marriage is not legal sorry, it is against the law in the US. It is also against the law as an adult to have sex with a child under the age of 18.Bertster7 wrote:
And on the matter of child marriage being legal in Christian countries?lowing wrote:
Yer right the girl in the article was 8 I got confused, Muhammed did the 6 year old.
Kinda puts a bit of a hole in your argument that it is Islam, not national background that is to blame for these things, doesn't it? Especially since it happens widely in communities of a number of other religions.
If you want more examples, I'd be happy to oblige.....
But by all means please show at least one example where the US condones selling children into slavery, and having sex with them under the age of 18 as an adult.
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The US didn't end slavery that long ago - you guys were very backward in ending that - and the Mormons are still doing the latter now.lowing wrote:
But by all means please show at least one example where the US condones selling children into slavery, and having sex with them under the age of 18 as an adult.
