BF2S Forums Looks like the punch drunk Europeans are also turning against Obama

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

I did make a sweeping statement,

Now are you going to answer the question or not.

Would Joe Biden have defeated a Republican Obama? Do you believe the black black community vote for a Biden over a republican Obama? Please stop avoiding the question.

To be honest lowing I think America was fed up with Republicanism and the Bush era. A Republican Obama would have been tied back to the Bush administration in the same way that McCain was, you can't call for change when it was your own party that fucked things up in the first place... reminds me a bit of Pappy O'Daniel's son suggesting they call for change in their election campaign when they themselves were the incumbent in O Brother Where Art Thou!

By the way Joe Biden wasn't running for President... a white Obama would have defeated a black McCain.

Really Bradock, how many times do I have to ask before you stop tap dancing and just answer the question?

I said nothing about a Obama anything. The question is, would a REPUBLICAN Obama win the black vote over a Democrat Joe Biden or anyone else?

Just answer the question

Braddock wrote:

America was fed up with Republicanism and the Bush era. A Republican Obama would have been tied back to the Bush administration in the same way that McCain was, you can't call for change when it was your own party that fucked things up in the first place... reminds me a bit of Pappy O'Daniel's son suggesting they call for change in their election campaign when they themselves were the incumbent in O Brother Where Art Thou!

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Really Bradock, how many times do I have to ask before you stop tap dancing and just answer the question?

I said nothing about a Obama anything. The question is, would a REPUBLICAN Obama win the black vote over a Democrat Joe Biden or anyone else?

Just answer the question

What are you on about tap-dancing? I've answered your question several times already in this thread...

Braddock wrote:

America was fed up with Republicanism and the Bush era. A Republican Obama would have been tied back to the Bush administration in the same way that McCain was, you can't call for change when it was your own party that fucked things up in the first place... reminds me a bit of Pappy O'Daniel's son suggesting they call for change in their election campaign when they themselves were the incumbent in O Brother Where Art Thou!

In other words, If they had thought a Republican Obama was going to be more of the same as what Bush had offered I reckon he would still have lost. Comprende?

No you didn't answer the question. Here one last time:

Would a Republican Obama win the BLACK VOTE over a Democrat Joe Biden? Now stop with the bullshit, focus on the question at hand, and give me a yes or no answer. You can explain later, but I want to seporate you from your dancing shoes right now.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Really Bradock, how many times do I have to ask before you stop tap dancing and just answer the question?

I said nothing about a Obama anything. The question is, would a REPUBLICAN Obama win the black vote over a Democrat Joe Biden or anyone else?

Just answer the question

What are you on about tap-dancing? I've answered your question several times already in this thread...


In other words, If they had thought a Republican Obama was going to be more of the same as what Bush had offered I reckon he would still have lost. Comprende?

No you didn't answer the question. Here one last time:

Would a Republican Obama win the BLACK VOTE over a Democrat Joe Biden? Now stop with the bullshit, focus on the question at hand, and give me a yes or no answer. You can explain later, but I want to seporate you from your dancing shoes right now.

You mean a Republican Obama calling for tighter economic regulation, an end to the occupation of Iraq, the closure of Guantanamo bay, a move towards socialised healthcare, higher tax bands for the wealthy and help for the middle and lower income earners? Yeah, he'd probably win... what's your point? You reckon he'd still only be winning because of the colour of his skin? Because I'll tell you now, if the only thing different about McCain was the colour of his skin I reckon he would have still lost.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

You mean a Republican Obama calling for tighter economic regulation, an end to the occupation of Iraq, the closure of Guantanamo bay, a move towards socialised healthcare, higher tax bands for the wealthy and help for the middle and lower income earners? Yeah, he'd probably win... what's your point? You reckon he'd still only be winning because of the colour of his skin? Because I'll tell you now, if the only thing different about McCain was the colour of his skin I reckon he would have still lost.

Keep dancing Sammy Davis Jr. Keep dancing.

Enough with the dancing metaphors Bickle... I've already said a Republican Obama with all the same Democrat policies would possibly/probably have won the election, a Republican Obama with the same policies as McCain would most likely not have. Would you like me to draw you a picture?

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Keep dancing Sammy Davis Jr. Keep dancing.

Enough with the dancing metaphors Bickle... I've already said a Republican Obama with all the same Democrat policies would possibly/probably have won the election, a Republican Obama with the same policies as McCain would most likely not have. Would you like me to draw you a picture?

I said nothing about winning the election. Also your little twist about a republican that all of a sudden adopts democratic ideology is not part of the equation either.

I SAID, would a REPUBLICAN Obama ( IE the Republican nominee) win the BLACK VOTE over an old white guy democrat?

Now, stop adding your twist to the question and once and for all answer the damn thing as it is asked.

lowing wrote:

Ya see what happens when you vote in a rock star as your president? Ahhhhh if only the people voted for him based on the issues instead of his skin color, his looks or his celebrity ( which was invented), and it only took 2 months. Oh well, you wanted him you got him.

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Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Blacks in our country have overcome every obstacle white society has thrown at it. They have proudly died serving a country that viewed them as second class citizens. They have been treated with disrespect and disdain throughout our nations history, and they have endured. Now, given that, if there came a time when a black person became a true contender for the presidency ( for the first time) the symbology of that victory for the black community would trump any issues on the table. It would be a considered the final victory for the black race in America over all of the oppression it had endured.

And quite frankly, YOU are "daft" if you think race does not matter for the black community with the real possiblity of a black president on the line for the first time.

I've highlighted the main reason why Obama won the election here... you'll notice his black skin has nothing to do with it.

Alan Keyes was black but he wasn't a true contender and he lost, Obama was black and he was also a true contender and so he won... I'll let you figure out the common denominator in that equation.

Varegg wrote:

I didn't say it didn't matter lowing, I said I think you think it mattered more than it actually did ... and I have seen Oprah endorse the democratic party before on television ... will not argue against the fact that her endorsement was bigger for Obama.

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lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Blacks in our country have overcome every obstacle white society has thrown at it. They have proudly died serving a country that viewed them as second class citizens. They have been treated with disrespect and disdain throughout our nations history, and they have endured. Now, given that, if there came a time when a black person became a true contender for the presidency ( for the first time) the symbology of that victory for the black community would trump any issues on the table. It would be a considered the final victory for the black race in America over all of the oppression it had endured.

And quite frankly, YOU are "daft" if you think race does not matter for the black community with the real possiblity of a black president on the line for the first time.

I've highlighted the main reason why Obama won the election here... you'll notice his black skin has nothing to do with it.

Alan Keyes was black but he wasn't a true contender and he lost, Obama was black and he was also a true contender and so he won... I'll let you figure out the common denominator in that equation.

Bullshit, relatively no one knows who Alan Keyes is and as such he stood no chance of winning. Also Obamamania took on a life of its own, it was a fever and issues had nothing to do with it, his star status was all that matters. IF issues were the focus, the media and the Obamamaniacs would have questioned his background and his shady dealings further. As it was, it didn't matter, he was the Mesiah.


Also I think my second paragraph ( the one you ignored) is a valid argument for this discussion.

Bottomline: If blacks had a choice between their first black president and another white president, they would choose the black president period.

We will just have to agree to disagree

Last edited by Braddock (2009-04-03 08:07:55)

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

I've highlighted the main reason why Obama won the election here... you'll notice his black skin has nothing to do with it.

Alan Keyes was black but he wasn't a true contender and he lost, Obama was black and he was also a true contender and so he won... I'll let you figure out the common denominator in that equation.

Bullshit, relatively no one knows who Alan Keyes is and as such he stood no chance of winning. Also Obamamania took on a life of its own, it was a fever and issues had nothing to do with it, his star status was all that matters. IF issues were the focus, the media and the Obamamaniacs would have questioned his background and his shady dealings further. As it was, it didn't matter, he was the Mesiah.


Also I think my second paragraph ( the one you ignored) is a valid argument for this discussion.

Bottomline: If blacks had a choice between their first black president and another white president, they would choose the black president period.

We will just have to agree to disagree

You keep talking about this mystical  'star status' that Obama has, could you quantify it for me please? ...do you mean the fact that he is charismatic? Do you mean the fact that many felt he handled himself a lot better in debates and discussions than Bush or McCain did? Do you mean the fact that he has an air of calmness and control about him and that he doesn't go about the International stage spoiling for a fight with everyone from Afghanistan to Spain? Do you mean the fact that he is quite dynamic and likeable?

...these are all Presidential qualities in my opinion.

...or do you just mean the fact that he was black? Because unless my monitor is playing tricks on me Alan Keyes was black too. Even Jesse Jackson, the dark prince himself, went for the Presidency in 1988 and he didn't even get past the nomination phase... where was this supposed "Black at all costs" voting policy then lowing?

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

You keep talking about this mystical  'star status' that Obama has, could you quantify it for me please? ...do you mean the fact that he is charismatic? Do you mean the fact that many felt he handled himself a lot better in debates and discussions than Bush or McCain did? Do you mean the fact that he has an air of calmness and control about him and that he doesn't go about the International stage spoiling for a fight with everyone from Afghanistan to Spain? Do you mean the fact that he is quite dynamic and likeable?

...these are all Presidential qualities in my opinion.

...or do you just mean the fact that he was black? Because unless my monitor is playing tricks on me Alan Keyes was black too. Even Jesse Jackson, the dark prince himself, went for the Presidency in 1988 and he didn't even get past the nomination phase... where was this supposed "Black at all costs" voting policy then lowing?

Ummmmm where were you during the elections,? Does the term Obamamania strike a chord with you at all? Women were crying at the sight of him, as he were fucking Elvis or one of the Beatles. Gimme a fuckin break telling me you do not know what I mean by "star status".

You said it yourself basically, Jesse never stood a chance, never got nominated.

So if there were a black nominee and a white nominee. YOu bet your ass the black community will vote for the black nomine. To think otherwie is rediculous.

Like I told Varegg ( and was ignored) race means a lot with the black community and carries wieght. I have a list of racial double standards that suppor tthis, including the " Congressional Black Caucus".

How does one win the nomination to go ahead for the Presidential race?