imortal
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We all know about the CCTV craze in England.  Common attitudes here tend to be that it is okay to do it in public areas, since you have no expectation of privacy.  How about if they start looking at your home to check you?  I am not talking about a camera to see what you are doing behind closed doors, just to see how much energy you are using:

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Council uses spy plane with thermal imaging camera to snoop on homes wasting energy
By Andrew Levy

Our movements are already tracked by CCTV, speed cameras and even spies in dustbins.

Now snooping on the public has reached new heights with local authorities putting spy planes in the air to snoop on homeowners who are wasting too much energy.

Thermal imaging cameras are being used to create colour-coded maps which will enable council officers to identify offenders and pay them a visit to educate them about the harm to the environment and measures they can take.

A scheme is already under way in Broadland District Council in Norfolk, which has spent £30,000 hiring a plane with a thermal imaging camera.
It said the exercise has been so successful other local authorities are planning to follow suit.

But critics have warned the crackdown was another example of local authorities extending their charter to poke their noses into every aspect of people's lives.

Broadland, which covers towns including Aylsham, Reepham and Acle, hired the plane from a Leicestershire-based company for five days at the end of January.

The aircraft took images of homes and businesses, with those losing the most heat showing up as red, while better insulated properties appear blue.

The council's head of environmental services, Andy Jarvis, said the original plan was to target businesses but it was realised the scope could be extended to include residental properties.

'The project we put together was for a plane to go up on various nights flying strips of the district and taking pictures,' he said.

'Through those images, a thermal image photograph can be created in which you can pick out individual properties which are losing a lot of heat.

'We do a lot on domestic energy conservation already and realised it would be useful to see if any of the homes which were particularly hot were properties where people had not insulated their lofts.

'We were also able to look at very cold properties and think we might have picked up people on low incomes who are not heating their homes because they cannot afford to.'

More than half the UK's carbon dioxide emissions come from the domestic sector, which includes property and transport.

Almost 60 per cent of a household's heat is lost through uninsulated walls, lofts and windows, costing the average home £380 a year.  Insulation is estimated to reduce each home's carbon emissions by around two tonnes annually.

The first city in the UK to make a heat-loss map was Aberdeen, while the first local authority in England was Haringey Council, in London - although environmental groups at that time said they viewed the practice as a 'gimmick' of little real value.

The TaxPayers' Alliance has added concerns about the issue of privacy.

Chief executive Matthew Elliott said: 'People are sick and tired of being heckled and spied on by local government and this council has shown an utter disregard for the man on the street.'

He added: 'We're in a recession and you would have thought this council had better ways to spend £30,000.
'Taxpayers are already footing the bill for innumerable advertising campaigns at a time when families are struggling to make ends meet.'

But Conservative-led Broadlands insisted the heat-loss map would allow officers to pinpoint offenders and point out how to get help and grants to improve insulation to cut carbon emissions.

Council leader Simon Woodbridge said the project would 'effectively pay for itself within a few weeks in terms of the amounts of money we can help people to save'.

Lib Dem group leader Stuart Beadle added: 'Cameras are in place all over today and we have to accept them. So long as the right guidelines are in place and it will bring benefits, I think the scheme is a good thing.'

Britain now has more than four million CCTV cameras - a fifth of those in use around the world - and around 8,000 speed cameras.

Almost 500 local authorities have been using anti-terrorism powers brought in under the controversial Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act to launch a string of bizarre investigations.

These have included checks on dog fouling, putting bins out on the wrong day and people trying to cheat school catchment area rules.
Isn't this crowding a bit on your privacy?
FatherTed
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+3,936|6492|so randum
Ahahaha jesus what a waste of money.

They do that to look for weed growers too.
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Use an umbrella
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6613|London, England
pay them a visit to educate them about the harm to the environment and measures they can take
Instead of wasting all that money only to do this, why not just subsidise all the energy saving stuff so that people can afford it. Most people know about energy efficiency etc.. but the reason most people don't go along and get their roofs re-insulated and their walls filled is cos of cost, and time and shit like that.

It is a stupid waste of money, if all they're gonna do after all that flying around is give them a "talk"
wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
+321|6452|UK
Daily mail.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6574|SE London

Mekstizzle wrote:

pay them a visit to educate them about the harm to the environment and measures they can take
Instead of wasting all that money only to do this, why not just subsidise all the energy saving stuff so that people can afford it. Most people know about energy efficiency etc.. but the reason most people don't go along and get their roofs re-insulated and their walls filled is cos of cost, and time and shit like that.
They do.

There are countless schemes that do just that.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6521|Global Command
Maybe folks could afford to fix up their flats if your economy wasn't in shambles.
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6760
They do this in Australia. Mainly to catch people with hydroponic set-ups to grow marijuana. 30 X 1000 watt globes will shows up quite nicely.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5567|The Wild West
land of the free?
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|6619|UK
Sounds like a reasonably good idea to me, in principle.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6403|'Murka

Don't the homeowners pay for the energy they use, whether it's wasted or not?

GTFO.
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BN wrote:

They do this in Australia. Mainly to catch people with hydroponic set-ups to grow marijuana. 30 X 1000 watt globes will shows up quite nicely.
That's done by the coppers though isn't it, not the local town council?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|6760

Flecco wrote:

BN wrote:

They do this in Australia. Mainly to catch people with hydroponic set-ups to grow marijuana. 30 X 1000 watt globes will shows up quite nicely.
That's done by the coppers though isn't it, not the local town council?
Done by the police with a warrant.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
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BN wrote:

Flecco wrote:

BN wrote:

They do this in Australia. Mainly to catch people with hydroponic set-ups to grow marijuana. 30 X 1000 watt globes will shows up quite nicely.
That's done by the coppers though isn't it, not the local town council?
Done by the police with a warrant.
Bit different to what's mentioned in the OP imo.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Deadmonkiefart
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+177|6698
What a horrible idea.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6758|UK
pretty minimal cost for quite a good idea, people need to insulate etc to lower their bills, especially with the economy atm.
The#1Spot
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+105|6532|byah

Vilham wrote:

pretty minimal cost for quite a good idea, people need to insulate etc to lower their bills, especially with the economy atm.
If the govt was paying for the energy I can understand. If its your money they need to gtfo.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6663|UK
Paying for the energy is not the point.  Helping people save energy and money is...what's the problem?!

And since when was how much energy is being wasted a privacy issue?

Last edited by m3thod (2009-03-27 05:37:59)

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imortal
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+240|6657|Austin, TX
If it is happening in my house, that makes it a privacy issue.  It is not against the law, so it is not the business of the police or ayone else.  Saying it is to help people save money is like saying that a parking ticket is helping to protect your car.
CameronPoe
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I was expecting another Jade Goody thread.... 

/jk

Last edited by CameronPoe (2009-03-27 07:41:00)

m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6663|UK

imortal wrote:

If it is happening in my house, that makes it a privacy issue.  It is not against the law, so it is not the business of the police or ayone else.  Saying it is to help people save money is like saying that a parking ticket is helping to protect your car.
Providing voluntary information to people (most likely tax payers) in an effort to assist in saving money because they have been identified as wasting energy through their poorly insulated homes and penalising someone who decides to break a traffic/highway law is.............you guessed it.  Not comparable.

So it’s okay to waste energy just because you pay for it? Fuck me.
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usmarine
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m3thod wrote:

So it’s okay to waste energy just because you pay for it? Fuck me.
oh please.  movies, concerts, etc are a waste that you pay for also.  people seem ok with that.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6663|UK

usmarine wrote:

m3thod wrote:

So it’s okay to waste energy just because you pay for it? Fuck me.
oh please.  movies, concerts, etc are a waste that you pay for also.  people seem ok with that.
Ya....conserving energy is a tad more important that movies and concerts.  Oh and comparing the two is dumb.  Energy is essential, movies are not.

What is it stupid day or something?
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imortal
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m3thod wrote:

imortal wrote:

If it is happening in my house, that makes it a privacy issue.  It is not against the law, so it is not the business of the police or ayone else.  Saying it is to help people save money is like saying that a parking ticket is helping to protect your car.
Providing voluntary information to people (most likely tax payers) in an effort to assist in saving money because they have been identified as wasting energy through their poorly insulated homes and penalising someone who decides to break a traffic/highway law is.............you guessed it.  Not comparable.

So it’s okay to waste energy just because you pay for it? Fuck me.
But this is NOT providing voluntary information.  This is someone flying over your house, and making a judgement about how they feel you are utilizing energy you are paying for.

But Conservative-led Broadlands insisted the heat-loss map would allow officers to pinpoint offenders...
That does not sound voluntary to me.  You are correct, it is not comparable, as a parking ticket is violating a traffic law, and this thermal imaging of the home enables the local government to find "offenders" who are doing something that is not illegal, and target them for a corrective action based on.... what authority, exactly?

And yes, it is okay to waste ANYTHING I pay for, if I choose to.  I pay for it, it is mine to do whatever I want with it, within the law.

Oh, and no, thank you.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6463
Never start a fucking thread based on a Daily Mail article, you moron.

According to them we're a land of Big Brother socialism, rampant Islamic fundamentalism on every street, illegal immigrants in the back of every truck, and every woman is blonde with 34DD tits and a silly opinion on current political affairs. Fuck the Daily Mail and fuck you for being dumb enough to be 'informed' by an exaggerative entertainment tabloid.

Oh and my 2-cents on the actual scheme: it's a good idea. Why? It costs the taxpayer barely anything to run this operation, and it saves people muchos dineros in the long-run. If you have a poorly insulated or energy inefficient home, especially 'during times of economic hardship' as all you Americans like the rattle the fuck on about, then someone kindly informing you via free survey that you need to sort your shit out... it's helpful. Think about the project's principle from a perspective that isn't some headline-happy tabloid that sells its paper exclusively to the pondlife and mistakenly-unaborted members of our society.

Last edited by Uzique (2009-03-27 11:21:36)

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ghettoperson
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'Spy Plane'? What fucking bullshit, I hate those sensationalist tabloids. It'll be some small, shitty plane with thermal equipment on bored, not a fucking U-2 or something.

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