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2009-03-18 19:30:28
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6768|Global Command
These bailouts will cost future generations billions, trillions. What good could have been done with those future funds?

The current baffling corporate hostility by members of Congress will cause the owners of these guys to hunker down, spend less on growth and keep a low profile. How many people will not have wages because of this?

Unknown billions were lost to false inflation and manipulation of commodities. We all got reamed on gas for a long time, but also on metals, foods and everything associated with transport.

People are afraid to spend any disposable income they have because of government broadcasts detailing ruin and financial calamity. How many trips didn't get taken? How many room additions didn't get built? How many businesses folded because of the fear mongering?


When all this printed and/or borrowed money hits the market, inflation must sky-rocket. How many trillions will go to the international bankers in the form of ridiculous interest rates?

∞
2009-03-18 19:35:33
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

ATG wrote:

What good could have been done with those future funds?
Reneawble energy...independence from foreign influence/oil.

Border security.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-03-18 19:35:53
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5824

Doesn't matter anyway, the U.S. is doomed no matter what.
Every passing generation gets a little lazier, a little weaker, a little more privileged, a little more dumb.
Even if we stabilize now we will just be setting ourselves up later for another huge mess.
Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
2009-03-18 19:38:00
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6945|67.222.138.85

Macbeth wrote:

Doesn't matter anyway, the U.S. is doomed no matter what.
Every passing generation gets a little lazier, a little weaker, a little more privileged, a little more dumb.
Even if we stabilize now we will just be setting ourselves up later for another huge mess.
Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
I agree, fuck it and let it all go to hell.

I doubt that inflation is going to be "massive".

+

Your solution?
2009-03-18 19:38:19
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6904|NT, like Mick Dundee

Macbeth wrote:

Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
The story of almost every successful world power's downfall.


See Rome.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2009-03-18 19:39:46
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

Flecco wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
The story of almost every successful world power's downfall.


See Rome.
Rome never had the capacity to wipe the planet clean.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-03-18 19:40:19
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6945|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
The story of almost every successful world power's downfall.


See Rome.
Rome never had the capacity to wipe the planet clean.
eh, yeah they did.

edit: Ted puts it like such a pansy.
2009-03-18 19:40:33
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6739|so randum

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
The story of almost every successful world power's downfall.


See Rome.
Rome never had the capacity to wipe the planet clean.
Look at it from a relative point of view.

Last edited by FatherTed (2009-03-18 19:40:49)

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2009-03-18 19:41:59
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:


The story of almost every successful world power's downfall.


See Rome.
Rome never had the capacity to wipe the planet clean.
eh, yeah they did.

edit: Ted puts it like such a pansy.
eh.. no they didn't. I'm talking literally. If you don't think that's a game changer you're a tool.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-03-18 19:43:13
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6819|the dank(super) side of Oregon

ATG wrote:

People are afraid to spend any disposable income they have because of government broadcasts detailing ruin and financial calamity.
I get 90% of my doom and gloom from this forum.
2009-03-18 19:43:46
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|6945

Macbeth wrote:

Doesn't matter anyway, the U.S. is doomed no matter what.
Every passing generation gets a little lazier, a little weaker, a little more privileged, a little more dumb.
Even if we stabilize now we will just be setting ourselves up later for another huge mess.
Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
Who the hell are you?  Speak for yourself.
2009-03-18 19:44:04
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6739|so randum

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Rome never had the capacity to wipe the planet clean.
eh, yeah they did.

edit: Ted puts it like such a pansy.
eh.. no they didn't. I'm talking literally. If you don't think that's a game changer you're a tool.
They were able to conquer practically the entire known world, with an unparalleled amount of projection. I'd say that's quite a mark of force.

Obviously they didn't have nukes, but their military was by and large miles ahead of the competition.
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Use an umbrella
2009-03-18 19:44:14
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5824

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Doesn't matter anyway, the U.S. is doomed no matter what.
Every passing generation gets a little lazier, a little weaker, a little more privileged, a little more dumb.
Even if we stabilize now we will just be setting ourselves up later for another huge mess.
Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
I agree, fuck it and let it all go to hell.

I doubt that inflation is going to be "massive".

+

Your solution?
Only way to completely fix the problem in the present sense would be to more or less enslave the common people and flex our military might by going on a rampage around the world taking whatever we want or need.
or
Let the economy collapse go into a huge depression that will last a generation and once things eventually settle out our grand children will be the dominate group thus continuing the cycle.

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Doesn't matter anyway, the U.S. is doomed no matter what.
Every passing generation gets a little lazier, a little weaker, a little more privileged, a little more dumb.
Even if we stabilize now we will just be setting ourselves up later for another huge mess.
Let's just say it; the U.S. was too successful and good at the game that we thought we were masters of it and we got lazy and too comfortable.
Who the hell are you?  Speak for yourself.
Who the hell are you? O right a member of the generation who got us into this mess. Thanks bro.

Last edited by Macbeth (2009-03-18 19:46:18)

2009-03-18 19:46:17
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6945|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Rome never had the capacity to wipe the planet clean.
eh, yeah they did.

edit: Ted puts it like such a pansy.
eh.. no they didn't. I'm talking literally. If you don't think that's a game changer you're a tool.
I'm talking literally too. They had an army that could rape, pillage, and burn the entire known world if they truly went total war style all over everyone's asses. (everyone's ass? everyones' ass? everyones' asses? everyone's ass.)

The only difference is it would have taken a more concerted, long term effort on the part of the Romans, while we could void the planet with the political equivalent of a spilled cup of coffee all over the delicate machinery. That however implies that you have some faith in the quality of our leaders in the long term...

Macbeth wrote:

Only way to completely fix the problem in the present sense would be to more or less enslave the common people and flex our military might by going on a rampage around the world taking whatever we want or need.
or
Let the economy collapse go into a huge depression that will last a generation and once things eventually settle out our grand children will be the dominate group thus continuing the cycle.
or
You could stop being such a quitter.
2009-03-18 19:46:36
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

FatherTed wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


eh, yeah they did.

edit: Ted puts it like such a pansy.
eh.. no they didn't. I'm talking literally. If you don't think that's a game changer you're a tool.
They were able to conquer practically the entire known world, with an unparalleled amount of projection. I'd say that's quite a mark of force.

Obviously they didn't have nukes, but their military was by and large miles ahead of the competition.
They weren't even aware of all of the worlds civilizations. The soviet Union collapsed and Russia remained extremely powerful. Why is that?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-03-18 19:47:57
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6739|so randum

Kmarion wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


eh.. no they didn't. I'm talking literally. If you don't think that's a game changer you're a tool.
They were able to conquer practically the entire known world, with an unparalleled amount of projection. I'd say that's quite a mark of force.

Obviously they didn't have nukes, but their military was by and large miles ahead of the competition.
They weren't even aware of all of the worlds civilizations. The soviet Union collapsed and Russia remained extremely powerful. Why is that?
Same argument with Russia can be applied to the British Empire.

They got so strong as an individual because on the whole they raped the shit out of the areas they controlled.
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2009-03-18 19:48:32
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6955
I think ultimately the people that want to work and innovate and benefit their country will move to a new area...
and restart the American Dream...
    And the physical country "the US" will become a wasteland of people who thought someone owed them something
The American Dream is a mindset not a physical location...  We will survive this... We have been through worse...
Love is the answer
2009-03-18 19:49:54
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

eh, yeah they did.

edit: Ted puts it like such a pansy.
eh.. no they didn't. I'm talking literally. If you don't think that's a game changer you're a tool.
I'm talking literally too. They had an army that could rape, pillage, and burn the entire known world if they truly went total war style all over everyone's asses. (everyone's ass? everyones' ass? everyones' asses? everyone's ass.)

The only difference is it would have taken a more concerted, long term effort on the part of the Romans, while we could void the planet with the political equivalent of a spilled cup of coffee all over the delicate machinery. That however implies that you have some faith in the quality of our leaders in the long term...
Right, known world. Consider the fact I said wipe the planet clean. The difference of doing it in an instant is a pretty fucking big difference now isn't it?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-03-18 19:50:01
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5824

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


eh, yeah they did.

edit: Ted puts it like such a pansy.
eh.. no they didn't. I'm talking literally. If you don't think that's a game changer you're a tool.
I'm talking literally too. They had an army that could rape, pillage, and burn the entire known world if they truly went total war style all over everyone's asses. (everyone's ass? everyones' ass? everyones' asses? everyone's ass.)

The only difference is it would have taken a more concerted, long term effort on the part of the Romans, while we could void the planet with the political equivalent of a spilled cup of coffee all over the delicate machinery. That however implies that you have some faith in the quality of our leaders in the long term...

Macbeth wrote:

Only way to completely fix the problem in the present sense would be to more or less enslave the common people and flex our military might by going on a rampage around the world taking whatever we want or need.
or
Let the economy collapse go into a huge depression that will last a generation and once things eventually settle out our grand children will be the dominate group thus continuing the cycle.
or
You could stop being such a quitter.
Your 3rd option and my 1st are kinda similar. Rampaging around the world taking whatever we want isn't quitting.
2009-03-18 19:51:42
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6945|67.222.138.85

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

eh.. no they didn't. I'm talking literally. If you don't think that's a game changer you're a tool.
I'm talking literally too. They had an army that could rape, pillage, and burn the entire known world if they truly went total war style all over everyone's asses. (everyone's ass? everyones' ass? everyones' asses? everyone's ass.)

The only difference is it would have taken a more concerted, long term effort on the part of the Romans, while we could void the planet with the political equivalent of a spilled cup of coffee all over the delicate machinery. That however implies that you have some faith in the quality of our leaders in the long term...
Right, known world. Consider the fact I said wipe the planet clean. The difference of doing it in an instant is a pretty fucking big difference now isn't it?
No actually I don't understand how it is. Barring a political "accident" that would be no real reflection on what is left of the U.S., I don't see why killing everything in sight in a second or in a decade are really any different.

Macbeth wrote:

Your 3rd option and my 1st are kinda similar. Rampaging around the world taking whatever we want isn't quitting.
It's really not very productive though. A lot of people would consider it a non-option. There are better means to the same ends, if they are looked for.
2009-03-18 19:52:58
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6819|the dank(super) side of Oregon

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

I think ultimately the people that want to work and innovate and benefit their country will move to a new area...
and restart the American Dream...
yeah, that's gunna happen.
2009-03-18 19:53:32
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

FatherTed wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

FatherTed wrote:


They were able to conquer practically the entire known world, with an unparalleled amount of projection. I'd say that's quite a mark of force.

Obviously they didn't have nukes, but their military was by and large miles ahead of the competition.
They weren't even aware of all of the worlds civilizations. The soviet Union collapsed and Russia remained extremely powerful. Why is that?
Same argument with Russia can be applied to the British Empire.

They got so strong as an individual because on the whole they raped the shit out of the areas they controlled.
They attained something that can never be taken away. MAD
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-03-18 19:56:27
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6839|132 and Bush

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I'm talking literally too. They had an army that could rape, pillage, and burn the entire known world if they truly went total war style all over everyone's asses. (everyone's ass? everyones' ass? everyones' asses? everyone's ass.)

The only difference is it would have taken a more concerted, long term effort on the part of the Romans, while we could void the planet with the political equivalent of a spilled cup of coffee all over the delicate machinery. That however implies that you have some faith in the quality of our leaders in the long term...
Right, known world. Consider the fact I said wipe the planet clean. The difference of doing it in an instant is a pretty fucking big difference now isn't it?
No actually I don't understand how it is. Barring a political "accident" that would be no real reflection on what is left of the U.S., I don't see why killing everything in site in a second or in a decade are really any different.

Kmarion wrote:

They attained something that can never be taken away. MAD
That is insurance Rome did not have. How you can be blind to this extremly important difference is beyond me. You're back to arguing for the sake of arguing I feel.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2009-03-18 19:59:41
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5824

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


I'm talking literally too. They had an army that could rape, pillage, and burn the entire known world if they truly went total war style all over everyone's asses. (everyone's ass? everyones' ass? everyones' asses? everyone's ass.)

The only difference is it would have taken a more concerted, long term effort on the part of the Romans, while we could void the planet with the political equivalent of a spilled cup of coffee all over the delicate machinery. That however implies that you have some faith in the quality of our leaders in the long term...
Right, known world. Consider the fact I said wipe the planet clean. The difference of doing it in an instant is a pretty fucking big difference now isn't it?
No actually I don't understand how it is. Barring a political "accident" that would be no real reflection on what is left of the U.S., I don't see why killing everything in sight in a second or in a decade are really any different.

Macbeth wrote:

Your 3rd option and my 1st are kinda similar. Rampaging around the world taking whatever we want isn't quitting.
It's really not very productive though. A lot of people would consider it a non-option. There are better means to the same ends, if they are looked for.
God damn it, FM.
What is your solution?
2009-03-18 20:02:35
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6945|67.222.138.85
How is MAD any different than a shitload of well-trained men in that era?

What do you think MAD means anyways? It means that we happen to have a bunch of nukes at the moment. We don't hold some massively important secrets that will never be discovered by another country. So:

Eventually, any country that wants to will have nukes.

The probability that some of those countries don't like the U.S. so much is high.

The probability that eventually someone will feel that MAD is a favorable outcome for them is again quite good.

So where are we left now? The defense of mutually assured destruction depends on the other country caring about maintaining its own well-being more than hurting ours.

Macbeth wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Right, known world. Consider the fact I said wipe the planet clean. The difference of doing it in an instant is a pretty fucking big difference now isn't it?
No actually I don't understand how it is. Barring a political "accident" that would be no real reflection on what is left of the U.S., I don't see why killing everything in sight in a second or in a decade are really any different.

Macbeth wrote:

Your 3rd option and my 1st are kinda similar. Rampaging around the world taking whatever we want isn't quitting.
It's really not very productive though. A lot of people would consider it a non-option. There are better means to the same ends, if they are looked for.
God damn it, FM.
What is your solution?
Breed competence.

 

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