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I recon ive worked out why miggle hates on console shooters so much. Hes just blatantly shit at them.

Reasoning: The only reason I can see for someone hating console shooter so much is that he just plain can't play them with a controller. Seriously miggle, giving killzone 2 a 2 is a joke, you have so far also failed to give any reason as to why killzone 2 is such a bad game. Care to give any?

Vilham wrote:

I recon ive worked out why miggle hates on console shooters so much. Hes just blatantly shit at them.

Reasoning: The only reason I can see for someone hating console shooter so much is that he just plain can't play them with a controller. Seriously miggle, giving killzone 2 a 2 is a joke, you have so far also failed to give any reason as to why killzone 2 is such a bad game. Care to give any?

He did sell his copy of bad company because he sucked at it, however, he just likes to talk shit sometimes even if he hasn't tried the game out yet.

Aries_37 wrote:

Shooters on consoles suck because they're shit games. Even if you port them to the pc with mouse/kb they still suck.

They're fun with a bunch of mates but what isn't?

If you base whether a game is good on whether its controlled with mouse/kb or controller your missing the point in games, seriously pick up another hobby.

To claim timesplitters 2 is shit is retarded to the nth degree. It is one of the most fun fps games I have ever played.

Flecco wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Aries_37 wrote:

Shooters on consoles suck because they're shit games. Even if you port them to the pc with mouse/kb they still suck.

They're fun with a bunch of mates but what isn't?

If you base whether a game is good on whether its controlled with mouse/kb or controller your missing the point in games, seriously pick up another hobby.

To claim timesplitters 2 is shit is retarded to the nth degree. It is one of the most fun fps games I have ever played.

Was developed by the Goldeneye 64 crew. That's cheating!

Goldeneye must be shit too I guess.

Miggle wrote:

Ah, the legendary, You don't like it because you suck at it.

Maybe it was that I bought it based on amazing reviews and it ended up being incredibly average.
Maybe it was that the plot, or at least the plot of the first two levels was practically non existent.
Maybe it was that the gameplay was slow and repetitive, with AI that disallowed any flanking or tactics.
Maybe it was that the crosshairs moved so incredibly slowly, that it took an hour to line up a shot.
Maybe it was that the online was boring.
Maybe it was that it lacked splitscreen.
Maybe it was that the guy at gamestop told me it would look amazing on my HDTV, but it didn't.
Maybe you suck at PC shooters Vilham.

Maybe you shouldn't bitch when you get over hyped for a game and it can't meet your expectations.
Maybe you didn't get the plot, it wasn't really very hard to follow. Watch the video at the start and listen to what your comrades say and you might get it was pretty explanatory, Spoiler (highlight to read):
you start by clearing a landing zone for the convoy, the convoys mission is to get to visarys palace, hellgast dont want you to, hellgast try to stop you. Simples.
Maybe lulz wtf are you talking about, gameplay was far from slow and well done it gets repetitive, its an FPS, that's pretty much all there is to it. /face palm sorry it doesn't live up to the RPG elements of Deus Ex. I saw the AI using plenty of tactics, come back when you have played on elite.
Maybe TURN THE SENSITIVITY UP, its in options 
Maybe, care to explain? its fast paced, changes mode frequently to ensure it doesn't get stale, there plenty of variation between the classes, half of the maps are some of the best I have ever seen, hit detection is brilliant considering its a console fps, there no lag what so ever, etc etc
Maybe awwww didums. Deus Ex must be shit too then, it doesn't have splitscreen.
Maybe you should get a good HD TV you cheap sake
Maybe I would bitch shit loads about games being shit if I did. O wait, that's you isn't it

Timesplitters has always been my favorite console shooter, Good Humor, Decent Gameplay, Decent Controls, and splitscreen.

When I buy a console game, it better have fucking local multiplayer, online is absolute shit and I only ever use my PS3 for games when people are over. Consoles are getting worse. PS2 > all.

Vilham, to claim that controls have no effect on the quality of a game is retarded to the degree I've come to expect from you. Anything can be a turnoff from the game.

I don't think people understand how to rate things. never give a 0 or 10, nothing is without virtues, and nothing is without vices. So pick a number 1-9.

Give the worst games you've ever played 1s and the best 9s, then compare other games to those.

As far as console shooters go, in the reviews thread I gave Halo a 3 and Resistance FOM a 1, therefore Killzone was somewhere in between. Halo gets points for local multiplayer and the huge amount of modifications you can make, and Killzone gets points for not being anywhere near as bad as Resistance.

When a console shooter comes out that I actually think can compete with PC shooters, I'm sure I will give it a higher score. This isn't just "Miggle's baseless hate" actual thought goes into every review I make, so before you think you "have me figured out" realize that I'm not some sort of monster, set on destroying everything you love. Remember that I'm a fairly experienced gamer voicing my opinions of the things I love.

No miggle this is you doing "baseless hate" hence why I can so easily show your points are bullshit. Killzone 2 is far from the best game I have ever played, it probably doesn't even come in the top 20-30, however its far from shit. As to controls, ever thought that in real life you don't spin 180 in half a millisecond while wearing full combat gear and carrying a rifle? Controls are designed in a way that designers feel appropriate, I found the controls absolutely fine after turning up the sensitivity and swapping zoom and run around. Just so you know, they are already patching the controls to allow for a wider sensitivity, yaaaah now we get another twitch shooter, I already own 20 of them.

You aren't voicing any opinions that's the problem. Your just making a bunch of bitchy and hypocritical opinions. Im all for people having opinions, fair enough if someone doesn't like the game because they don't like FPS or they don't like sci-fi scenarios or they don't like fast moving games or they don't feel the game does a good job at depicting what its trying to, ie in killzone 2s case war. If you had said I didn't like the whole macho bollocks with Riva or that the hellgast suddenly get 1000 battleships out of the middle of no where, then you can knock off points, but giving a game a 2 over nitpickings is pretty weak.


From now on if a game isn't a clone of Deus Ex with multiplayer it is automatically shit. You hear everyone. Miggle speaks.

/rant over. Anyway your opinions, but just to summarise, I think they are stupid and baseless. Which is a shame tbh, because normally you are quite logical about good gameplay, you know the deciding factor as to whether a game is fun or not?

Last edited by Vilham (2009-03-18 18:52:54)

Flecco wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Was developed by the Goldeneye 64 crew. That's cheating!

Goldeneye must be shit too I guess.

No. I was implying that the guys behind Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and the Timesplitters series are a unique bunch capable of extracting the very best out of a console. Most of Rare's old crew were like that before microsoft bought them and most of the company resigned.

But but but, miggle told me console fps's are shit

Vilham wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Goldeneye must be shit too I guess.

No. I was implying that the guys behind Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and the Timesplitters series are a unique bunch capable of extracting the very best out of a console. Most of Rare's old crew were like that before microsoft bought them and most of the company resigned.

But but but, miggle told me console fps's are shit

Hmm, want to quote me on that?

I'm sick of every debate in this forum becoming personal attacks on me because I disagree.

Vilham, I did change the sensitivity
and I don't expect Deus Ex, or any PC FPS to have splitscreen, that would be nice, but that has always been pretty much my only reason for buying console games. And since the current generation is going pure online (which is generally garbage) older consoles were much better.

When you have to say "hit detection is brilliant considering its a console fps" doesn't that say that console FPSes tend to have weak hit detection? And isn't hit detection an important part of the game?

My HDTV is just fine, it's just that I've been playing games in higher resolutions than 720p since 1997.

"You aren't voicing any opinions that's the problem. Your just making a bunch of bitchy and hypocritical opinions. Im all for people having opinions"

Ok, so in the first sentence here you say I have no opinions, then in the second you say I have bad/hypocritical opinions, and then in the third you say you have no problem with people voicing opinions.

So I'm a hypocrite?

As for your idea of reasons it's ok to think killzone 2 is bad, they seem incredibly opinionated and non-universal. I try to point out flaws that other people will actually care about, If you hadn't noticed this thread was about helping Henno choose a game to rent, not flaming the shit out of Miggle because everyone hates him anyways. I posted things I thought might help him make his decision.

My mention of the AI wasn't about their use of tactics, it was that they disallow tactics ("AI that disallowed any flanking or tactics.") Because if you could see them, they could see you, with a game this linear, that completely removes any stealth from the game.

As for your plot summary, if that doesn't prove my point that there is practically no plot, maybe I should get a job writing games. I never said I misunderstood it, as you said it was quite simple.

I'll give a game whatever rating I want to, I'm allowed. To me, that game scored a 2, and no amount of flaming is going to change that opinion. Maybe posting something good about it in response would.

Vilham wrote:

Im not the one giving a pretty good game a 2/10...

And?

Why not. What was good about it? Change my mind.

The weapons were fun to play with, had your standard fair like shotgun, sniper etc, added in some cool guns too though lightning gun and flamethrower, all are well balanced, the fact that you can only carry one weapon with your pistol makes the game far more tactical than it would be otherwise.

Enemy types were varied, had offensive enemies, defensive, plenty of middle ground types like the heavy, the way the different types interacted with tactics was good, defensive would keep you pinned while the offensive got up close and personal, made some sections of the game a good challenge.

The maps themselves were pretty fucking awesome, ie the bridge map, the walker map was very fun gave a nice break from the normal foot combat, the level on the carrier was good fun too with the AA section in the middle. final level was very intense, felt like a full scale battle going on around you. Last boss was a bit annoying but thats just coz it was a challenge, nice to have a challenge in a game once in a while.

Multiplayer is pretty fucking awesome, very well created maps with situations for all classes, ie no where that a sniper is guaranteed to win from as theres always a way to flank. Badge system is good, makes unlocking actual items and such a task other than just getting points. Good hit detection easily beating plenty of PC games I have played like BF2, no lag again means its always a pleasant experience.

I can list more if you like, you know some actual solid reasons and explanations, rather than a one word, "online was boring"....

wait, lulz, your making comments on this game having a. not completed it b. got owned on any mode other than elite c. only played 3 rounds online.

Bravo.

btw i dont think explaining what you consider a flaw in the game in one line consists of a lot more.

Last edited by Vilham (2009-03-18 20:28:07)

Vilham wrote:

wait, lulz, your making comments on this game having a. not completed it b. got owned on any mode other than elite c. only played 3 rounds online.

Bravo.

btw i dont think explaining what you consider a flaw in the game in one line consists of a lot more.

hold on, what?

One line for comments:

Vilham wrote:

Maybe you shouldn't bitch when you get over hyped for a game and it can't meet your expectations.
Maybe you didn't get the plot, it wasn't really very hard to follow. Watch the video at the start and listen to what your comrades say and you might get it was pretty explanatory, Spoiler (highlight to read):
you start by clearing a landing zone for the convoy, the convoys mission is to get to visarys palace, hellgast dont want you to, hellgast try to stop you. Simples.
Maybe lulz wtf are you talking about, gameplay was far from slow and well done it gets repetitive, its an FPS, that's pretty much all there is to it. /face palm sorry it doesn't live up to the RPG elements of Deus Ex. I saw the AI using plenty of tactics, come back when you have played on elite.
Maybe TURN THE SENSITIVITY UP, its in options 
Maybe, care to explain? its fast paced, changes mode frequently to ensure it doesn't get stale, there plenty of variation between the classes, half of the maps are some of the best I have ever seen, hit detection is brilliant considering its a console fps, there no lag what so ever, etc etc
Maybe awwww didums. Deus Ex must be shit too then, it doesn't have splitscreen.
Maybe you should get a good HD TV you cheap sake
Maybe I would bitch shit loads about games being shit if I did. O wait, that's you isn't it

I opened with 1 line, you responded with 1 line, therefore I responded with more in depth answers, then you said I had used 1 word answers, then I went even more in depth.

The cover system was a joke, you still get shot plenty when behind it, it tries too much to be a third person shooter and ends up failing miserably. And if you remembered the part I was talking about, you would know it was a pretty open field with infantry on a bridge above and on the ground with you, as well as a tank after you.

I played 3 rounds, which was more than enough to tell me I didn't want's to play again. As said, it was boring.

Last edited by Miggle (2009-03-18 20:45:49)