Obama: US should reach out to Taliban moderates

2009-03-09 02:48:53

#26

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Flecco wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
Moderate Taliban? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Speaking of morons, Afghanistan is a whole country full of them, negotiations will get you nowhere.
Smoooooth.

Massoud was a moron then?

He was an oxymoron.

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2009-03-09 02:59:05

#27

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6894

Dilbert_X wrote:
If the Taliban had been prepared to help find Bin Laden the last US govt would have been happy to work with them.
And they would still be running Afghanistan, Sharia law or not.

Oh, hell.

I must need a drink.

Two posts within the last 15 minutes where I agree with Dilbert_X.

2009-03-09 15:03:02

#28

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6708|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:
Turq wrote:
Obama is certainly more of a realist than Bush was.
Obama is a realist when it comes to foreign policy, but an idealist when it comes to domestic policy. I'd rather he were a realist on both issues.

Agreed...

2009-03-09 15:16:30

#29

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6924|London, England

rdx-fx wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
If the Taliban had been prepared to help find Bin Laden the last US govt would have been happy to work with them.
And they would still be running Afghanistan, Sharia law or not.
Oh, hell.

I must need a drink.

Two posts within the last 15 minutes where I agree with Dilbert_X.

That's the thing, Taliban and AQ ideology are very close to each other, hence why AQ were having such a field day in Afghanistan until the party was gatecrashed. So it would be pretty impossible for the Taliban to work against AQ...

These days Taliban is just a general term for all the people fighting against ISAF, it doesn't necessarily mean all of them are pure Taliban longing for the glory days. Alot of them are just those Pashtun nationalist tribes who are just known to fight all invaders, alot of people are doing it for money etc.. it's just that people just clump it all together. Kind of like how all the people fighting against the Coalition in Iraq were dubbed as terrorists. To think that all the enemies in Afghanistan are under a single Taliban banner would be stupid... it's just an easy term to describe the enemy in that country instead of confusing everyone with all sorts of names.

2009-03-09 16:07:59

#30

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6525|Escea

I believe ACM is also used to describe insurgent fighters.

2009-03-09 20:01:24

#31

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Mekstizzle wrote:
rdx-fx wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
If the Taliban had been prepared to help find Bin Laden the last US govt would have been happy to work with them.
And they would still be running Afghanistan, Sharia law or not.
Oh, hell.

I must need a drink.

Two posts within the last 15 minutes where I agree with Dilbert_X.
That's the thing, Taliban and AQ ideology are very close to each other, hence why AQ were having such a field day in Afghanistan until the party was gatecrashed. So it would be pretty impossible for the Taliban to work against AQ...

These days Taliban is just a general term for all the people fighting against ISAF, it doesn't necessarily mean all of them are pure Taliban longing for the glory days. Alot of them are just those Pashtun nationalist tribes who are just known to fight all invaders, alot of people are doing it for money etc.. it's just that people just clump it all together. Kind of like how all the people fighting against the Coalition in Iraq were dubbed as terrorists. To think that all the enemies in Afghanistan are under a single Taliban banner would be stupid... it's just an easy term to describe the enemy in that country instead of confusing everyone with all sorts of names.

Actually, Taliban is still specific to the Talibs. There are distinctions made between the Taliban, the anti-coalition militants (ACM), and AQ.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-03-10 00:06:30

#32

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

rdx-fx wrote:
Oh, hell.

I must need a drink.

Two posts within the last 15 minutes where I agree with Dilbert_X.

The point is the last admin would have worked cheerfully with the Taleban, probably paid them.
To be criticising Obama for trying to work with the 'moderates' and marginalise the extremists is plain daft.

Fuck Israel

2009-03-10 02:17:39

#33

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6894

Dilbert_X wrote:
rdx-fx wrote:
Oh, hell.

I must need a drink.

Two posts within the last 15 minutes where I agree with Dilbert_X.
The point is the last admin would have worked cheerfully with the Taleban, probably paid them.
To be criticising Obama for trying to work with the 'moderates' and marginalise the extremists is plain daft.

Moderate Afghani, sure.. by all means.

Moderate Taliban, no way, Neville.

2009-03-10 02:54:43

#34

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX

Hence the inverted commas, still there's bound to be a bit of a spectrum.

Fuck Israel

2009-03-10 09:10:52

#35

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6749|Chicago, IL

Taliban says proposal is illogical

who would have guessed?

2009-03-10 13:59:57

#36

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6714|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
rdx-fx wrote:
Oh, hell.

I must need a drink.

Two posts within the last 15 minutes where I agree with Dilbert_X.
The point is the last admin would have worked cheerfully with the Taleban, probably paid them.
To be criticising Obama for trying to work with the 'moderates' and marginalise the extremists is plain daft.

Had they not harbored AQ leadership and knowingly allowed AQ to train in their country...maybe. Most likely, the last administration wouldn't have paid much attention to the Taliban unless they did another Buddha-demolition job.

There was a little thing that happened that altered the US's view of the Taliban. Happened about 7.5 years ago.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2009-03-10 14:39:15

#37

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5888

S.Lythberg wrote:
Taliban says proposal is illogical

who would have guessed?

Fine kill their leaders then, if the next group of leaders refuse to talk kill them too. Eventually we'll get somebody who wants to negotiate.

2009-03-10 21:04:33

#38

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|6968|NT, like Mick Dundee

Macbeth wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
Taliban says proposal is illogical

who would have guessed?
Fine kill their leaders then, if the next group of leaders refuse to talk kill them too. Eventually we'll get somebody who wants to negotiate.

That seems to have been the plan at the time of invasion.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-03-10 21:13:49

#39

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5888

So does anyone know how the Mongolians handled the Afghans? They held onto the area for what 300 years?

2009-03-10 21:22:09

#40

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7064

Macbeth wrote:
So does anyone know how the Mongolians handled the Afghans? They held onto the area for what 300 years?

cant go there. but, you can look how countries viewed it from the 80's.

2009-03-11 11:04:49

#41

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|6992|Tampa Bay Florida

By reaching out to Taliban "moderates" (of course they're all batshit crazy but some more than others no? That's the case with any organization) could it not cause internal problems for them?

Perhaps the "moderates" realize that fighting against the most powerful military in the world and hiding in caves is futile? Just speculating. Could save us some trouble in the long run.

2009-03-11 12:45:12

#42

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6894

There isn't such a creature as a "moderate Taliban". Their ideology starts at strict Sharia law, and goes all the way to "Even strict Muslim Imams go daaaaamn! THATS harsh"

Moderate Afghanis, we can deal with.

Thinking there are moderate Taliban shows a lack of understanding of what 'Taliban' means.

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