not defending them. But yes it does. The cops have their specially highly trained armed units, so does the army, so does special branch, so does MI5 and not to forget the SAS. All of them want to kill you if you do it. Plus now adays you also have disbanded IRA men who also dont want cops killed. So basically you are up against 99.9995 of your com unity, which takes balls.RavyGravy wrote:
wow takes balls to be a cop in Ireland
I claim almost complete ignorance of the issues going on in that area of the world. Why doesn't GB just give the northern counties to Ireland and be done with it? Seems like it would stop a lot of stupidity. I understand that the northern counties are mostly protestant and that they voted to stay a part of GB but I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why Christians would fight each other to the death when they belong to the same religion.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Asbestos underpants - Check
Lucky rabbits paw - Check
20,000km between me and NI - Check
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
A big part of it is the Protestant part are largely descended from Scottish invaders, given Irish land by the British.
Bear in mind the British armed forces originally (recently) went in to protect the catholic minority from rampaging protestants.
And here we are now. Former terrorists are British MPs and they are now arguing with the latest wave.
Seems to me gangsterism and killing are the priority, Irish unity is just a banner they wave to give themselves Robin Hood style legitimacy.
Occasional attacks on the Police are needed to continue the illusion.
Sunnis and Shias seem happy fighting to the death, the three Abrahamic religions don't exactly get along.
If kids were forced to read 'The Silmarillion' school then A There'd be a lot less trouble in the world and B There might then be someone who could explain to me what the hell it was about.
Lucky rabbits paw - Check
20,000km between me and NI - Check
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
A big part of it is the Protestant part are largely descended from Scottish invaders, given Irish land by the British.
Bear in mind the British armed forces originally (recently) went in to protect the catholic minority from rampaging protestants.
And here we are now. Former terrorists are British MPs and they are now arguing with the latest wave.
Seems to me gangsterism and killing are the priority, Irish unity is just a banner they wave to give themselves Robin Hood style legitimacy.
Occasional attacks on the Police are needed to continue the illusion.
Sunnis and Shias seem happy fighting to the death, the three Abrahamic religions don't exactly get along.
If kids were forced to read 'The Silmarillion' school then A There'd be a lot less trouble in the world and B There might then be someone who could explain to me what the hell it was about.
Why doesn't the US give Israel to Syria?Why doesn't GB just give the northern counties to Ireland and be done with it?
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Silmarillion was Tolkien's finest workDilbert_X wrote:
Asbestos underpants - Check
Lucky rabbits paw - Check
20,000km between me and NI - Check
It doesn't make a lot of sense.
A big part of it is the Protestant part are largely descended from Scottish invaders, given Irish land by the British.
Bear in mind the British armed forces originally (recently) went in to protect the catholic minority from rampaging protestants.
And here we are now. Former terrorists are British MPs and they are now arguing with the latest wave.
Seems to me gangsterism and killing are the priority, Irish unity is just a banner they wave to give themselves Robin Hood style legitimacy.
Occasional attacks on the Police are needed to continue the illusion.
Sunnis and Shias seem happy fighting to the death, the three Abrahamic religions don't exactly get along.
If kids were forced to read 'The Silmarillion' school then A There'd be a lot less trouble in the world and B There might then be someone who could explain to me what the hell it was about.Why doesn't the US give Israel to Syria?Why doesn't GB just give the northern counties to Ireland and be done with it?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It is territorial cultural - not just religious. Northern Ireland was cut off the rest of the country in 1922 - if the island of Ireland, the traditional nation of Ireland had been given a vote then the six counties would never have been retained by the UK. It is a gerrymandered artificial statelet with 45% of the people disenfranchised and ruled by a foreign entity.JohnG@lt wrote:
I claim almost complete ignorance of the issues going on in that area of the world. Why doesn't GB just give the northern counties to Ireland and be done with it? Seems like it would stop a lot of stupidity. I understand that the northern counties are mostly protestant and that they voted to stay a part of GB but I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why Christians would fight each other to the death when they belong to the same religion.
I'm failing to understand why the UK would want to hold on to it if it has cost so much money to patrol etc. I would think they'd want to cut their losses and move on. Again, I have no Irish or English or Scottish blood in me so I am truly an outsider looking in. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.CameronPoe wrote:
It is territorial cultural - not just religious. Northern Ireland was cut off the rest of the country in 1922 - if the island of Ireland, the traditional nation of Ireland had been given a vote then the six counties would never have been retained by the UK. It is a gerrymandered artificial statelet with 45% of the people disenfranchised and ruled by a foreign entity.JohnG@lt wrote:
I claim almost complete ignorance of the issues going on in that area of the world. Why doesn't GB just give the northern counties to Ireland and be done with it? Seems like it would stop a lot of stupidity. I understand that the northern counties are mostly protestant and that they voted to stay a part of GB but I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why Christians would fight each other to the death when they belong to the same religion.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Some in English politics would have advocated cutting it loose during the troubles but the problem is that the UK would be viewed as abandoning British citizens resident in Ireland. It would also look as though the 'mighty British empire' had been humbled by the IRA.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm failing to understand why the UK would want to hold on to it if it has cost so much money to patrol etc. I would think they'd want to cut their losses and move on. Again, I have no Irish or English or Scottish blood in me so I am truly an outsider looking in. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
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The 'mighty British empire' humbled itself when it became a toothless old woman.CameronPoe wrote:
Some in English politics would have advocated cutting it loose during the troubles but the problem is that the UK would be viewed as abandoning British citizens resident in Ireland. It would also look as though the 'mighty British empire' had been humbled by the IRA.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm failing to understand why the UK would want to hold on to it if it has cost so much money to patrol etc. I would think they'd want to cut their losses and move on. Again, I have no Irish or English or Scottish blood in me so I am truly an outsider looking in. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
sadly that's what i think NI has become to the GB gov as a whole - the last section of the empire.CameronPoe wrote:
Some in English politics would have advocated cutting it loose during the troubles but the problem is that the UK would be viewed as abandoning British citizens resident in Ireland. It would also look as though the 'mighty British empire' had been humbled by the IRA.JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm failing to understand why the UK would want to hold on to it if it has cost so much money to patrol etc. I would think they'd want to cut their losses and move on. Again, I have no Irish or English or Scottish blood in me so I am truly an outsider looking in. Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
NI would time warp back to the 1970s if that happened.Dilbert_X wrote:
WTF Is wrong with these jerks? Killing police for the fun of it?
Send the SAS over, no messing.
These republican dissidents just want NI to revert back to what it was like during The Troubles so they can 'come closer' to achieving their ultimate goal of beating the British 'invaders' and unite Ireland again.
I was born on the year that the last major ceasefire was put into place. I really wouln't like to live in a warzone like my parents did.
As a Brit I'd say pretty well no-one I know gives a toss about NI.
The conservatives occasionally need the NI unionists for to get stuff through parliament, and traditionally unionism is part of conservatism.
Basically it boils down to the majority in NI not wanting to be part of Ireland.
The conservatives occasionally need the NI unionists for to get stuff through parliament, and traditionally unionism is part of conservatism.
Basically it boils down to the majority in NI not wanting to be part of Ireland.
Fuck Israel
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8265179.stmTrouble has flared on the streets of County Armagh for a third night.
In Lurgan, hijackers told a woman they placed a device on her lorry and forced her to drive to a police station. Upon examination, nothing was found.
Disturbances are thought to have been sparked last week when three local men were jailed over a dissident republican mortar bomb plot to kill police.
The latest unrest in Craigavon and Lurgan came as police boosted patrols to disrupt dissident republicans.
Police are concerned an attack may be planned for the arrival on Tuesday of new PSNI Chief Constable Matt Baggott.
As a direct response, on Friday evening police launched Operation Dissent which will see more police patrols and checkpoints in parts of Northern Ireland.
Handgun
In the latest sporadic trouble, two cars were hijacked in the neighbouring towns of Craigavon and Lurgan.
In Craigavon, up to six masked men forced a man out of his car at the Drumbeg roundabout at about 2140 BST on Saturday.
One was carrying a gun while another had a knife.
Twenty minutes later in Lurgan, two men, one armed with a handgun, stopped a woman driving a lorry.
One of the men told her there was a device strapped to her vehicle and told her to drive to Lurgan Police Station.
She drove a short distance before getting out and called police, who examined the lorry but found nothing.
The lorry was hijacked at a railway crossing at Lake Street.
It is the same area where hijacked vehicles were abandoned on the main Belfast to Dublin railway line on Thursday and Friday, disrupting train services.
Last week, a 600lb bomb was defused at Forkhill in south Armagh, a device which police said had been designed to kill its officers.
After the murders of two soldiers and a police officer in March, the threat posed by dissident republicans is said to be higher now than at any time in the past five years.
It appears from the outside the dissidents are very small in number.henno13 wrote:
These republican dissidents just want NI to revert back to what it was like during The Troubles so they can 'come closer' to achieving their ultimate goal of beating the British 'invaders' and unite Ireland again.
It would be interesting to know the thoughts of the average southern Irishman, NI protestant, NI catholic.
As a Brit, I'd say mostly we're not really very interested, eventually NI will revert to being part of Ireland, the Protestants will just have to lump it.
All this terrorism is just delaying the day TBH.
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Fuck Israel
you know I actually had a "discussion" with a guy over the weekend who I got the impression was sympathetic to the dissident agenda, and they couldn't even grasp the simple fact that the whole island of Ireland voted overwhelmingly for the Good Friday agreement. The entire island for the first time ever expressed an opinion that ratified and legitimised the state as is, until such a time as the majority vote otherwise 50 + 1. He couldn't understand that these people have no authority, other than their own! he was completely ignorant to the political reality of 21st Century Ireland as ratified by her peoples though the ballot box.
So if a vote were taken today it would more than likely favor the status quo? If so then the people of NI need to put some serious boot to ass with the "Republicans"IG-Calibre wrote:
you know I actually had a "discussion" with a guy over the weekend who I got the impression was sympathetic to the dissident agenda, and they couldn't even grasp the simple fact that the whole island of Ireland voted overwhelmingly for the Good Friday agreement. The entire island for the first time ever expressed an opinion that ratified and legitimised the state as is, until such a time as the majority vote otherwise 50 + 1. He couldn't understand that these people have no authority, other than their own! he was completely ignorant to the political reality of 21st Century Ireland as ratified by her peoples though the ballot box.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Exactly. the dissidents are just that.
Could we borrow ~2 Predators and ~20 Hellfires?
Should take of the problem, meh to any collateral.
Could we borrow ~2 Predators and ~20 Hellfires?
Should take of the problem, meh to any collateral.
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Fuck Israel
Fucking cleaned out my office today, filled the whole back of my landrover with rubbish. Went to take it to the dump and someone has planted a bomb down there. So my landrover is sitting outside my house filled to the roof with stinking rubbish....nice.
A - Why would the IRA want to blow up a dump?
B - Why do you keep stinking rubbish in your office?
C - Landrovers - I should get one.
B - Why do you keep stinking rubbish in your office?
C - Landrovers - I should get one.
Fuck Israel
A. No idea. Think it may have been a road side bomb to catch a patrol, although nothing on the news as yet.Dilbert_X wrote:
A - Why would the IRA want to blow up a dump?
B - Why do you keep stinking rubbish in your office?
C - Landrovers - I should get one.
B. Cus I pay £2000 a year to my local council in rates and they don't even lift your fucking bin, they want another £600 a year to do that. Fuck that, I store it and take it to the dump myself. Its not actually stored in the office itself.
C. Yes you should, all other 4X4's are poor imitations. I have a permanent 4WD Defender 2.4TDI, Goes like shit of a shovel too.
Maybe they're environmentalists who oppose landfills
So now you have to get out of the house to get comfy?JahManRed wrote:
Fucking cleaned out my office today, filled the whole back of my landrover with rubbish. Went to take it to the dump and someone has planted a bomb down there. So my landrover is sitting outside my house filled to the roof with stinking rubbish....nice.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ire … 270189.stmDissident republicans are being blamed for a pipe bomb attack on a car in Derry.
The device, which failed to explode, was thrown into a car in Hatmore Park on Monday night.
The police have said they are still working to establish a motive, but they suspect dissidents republicans were involved.
Deputy First Minister, Martin McGuinness, said the incident was "absolutely disgraceful".
"Everybody knows that except for a very tiny number of people the day of the bomb and the bullet are over, the war is over.
"We do have people who harbour the notion that they can destabilise our institutions and plunge us all back into the bad old days and return tens of thousands of British soldiers to the streets.
"They're going to fail, and they're going to fail miserably," he said.
The vehicle belonged to the girlfriend of the householder's son.
The man, who did not want to be identified, said he had absolutely no idea why the car was attacked.
"I looked out and saw a flash, and I knew somebody had thrown something," he said.
"I looked out, and saw the smoke.
"I went and got an extinguisher but it wasn't on fire, it was just smoke damaged.
"CID came up then and told me it was a pipe bomb."
The police said they have yet to establish a motive for the attack.
SDLP councillor Mark H Durkan condemned the attack and said it seemed "some organisation" must have been responsible.
"I have spoken to the police who have confirmed that a pipe bomb has been used which would lead me to believe that there was some organisation behind it," he said.
"There can be no justification for this sort of meaningless attack on someone's property.
"The family I have spoken to are traumatised that something like this has happened outside their house - they have lived in the area for 25 years. This has just confused them and disturbed them."
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http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/Bomb-m … 5670363.jpA BOMB was defused outside an Orange hall as the new Chief Constable pledged to defeat the dissidents.
Army bomb disposal experts made safe what was described as a "viable device" near Lavin Orange Hall in Armoy. It was the fourth bomb defused in the Province in less than a week.
The Drones Road was closed for most of Tuesday after the device was found at around 9.30am.
Lavin Orange Hall is still in the process of being rebuilt after it was almost destroyed in a malicious fire in July 2006.
On Monday, a similar device was made safe after being found by a member of the public in a layby near the junction of Moyarget Road and Magheramore Road in Ballycastle.
Last Thursday, a pipe bomb was found in a car in Waterloo Park in north Belfast, while on the same day a coffee jar bomb was found inside a car in Rostulla Drive in Jordanstown.
It had been reported that dissident republicans had been planning a "spectacular" attack to coincide with new chief constable Matt Baggott's first day in Ulster.
Mr Baggott said yesterday that the threat posed by violent extremists was real and should not be underplayed.
"The way to deal with it is for communities themselves in the vast, vast majority to say no to the people who want to return to the past. The greatest resource we have here is the communities themselves," he said.
DUP Lagan Valley MP Jeffrey Donaldson called on the entire community to get behind the police in their efforts to thwart terrorist attacks.
"As we know the police warned a few days ago that they were expecting an increase in attacks as the new chief constable takes up his post," he said.
"True to these warnings, the dissidents have been very active but thankfully their efforts to date have been unsuccessful thanks to the vigilance of the security forces which has saved lives.
"But it is important the entire community gets behind the police against these terrorists who would seek to drag us back to the past.
"These people have nothing to offer to the people of Northern Ireland whether through rioting on the streets of Lurgan or placing bombs in north Antrim.
"The new chief constable, as he starts his career in Northern Ireland, will have our support but he also needs the resources necessary to continue to thwart the efforts of these terrorists."
DUP Ballymoney councillor John Finlay said the device planted in Armoy yesterday could have killed.
"This device could have seriously injured someone, or even killed a child," he said.
Also yesterday, one of the busiest thoroughfares in Belfast was closed in a security operation.
A suspicious object was examined on the Ormeau Bridge close to its junction with the Annadale Embankment. However, nothing untoward was found.
The PSNI are currently running Operation Descent which is aimed at disrupting the activities of dissident republicans. It was launched on Friday
/faceplam dissidents
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oct/0 … aten-derryA male police officer was beaten unconscious last night after going to the aid of a 27-year-old man shot in a paramilitary gun attack in Derry.
A Police Service of Northern Ireland patrol came under attack in the Bogside following a call that a man had been wounded in the leg in a so-called punishment assault.
Police officers were also bombarded with stones and other missiles as they accompanied an ambulance into the area to take the injured man to hospital.
The shooting is understood to have been carried out by the Real IRA, which has a growing presence in the city.
An SDLP councillor, Pat Ramsey, condemned those behind the shooting and the attacks on the police patrol. He called on the republican dissidents to "stop hiding behind their masks" and put themselves forward in elections to gauge how much support they actually have in Derry.