ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command
I wonder what would happen to the economy if the politicians just stop talking and let us get back to our lives.



President Barack Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form. He has repeatedly raised the specter of another Great Depression. First, he did so to win votes in the November election. He has done so again recently to sway congressional votes for his stimulus package.
[Commentary] AP

In his remarks, every gloomy statistic on the economy becomes a harbinger of doom. As he tells it, today's economy is the worst since the Great Depression. Without his Recovery and Reinvestment Act, he says, the economy will fall back into that abyss and may never recover.

This fearmongering may be good politics, but it is bad history and bad economics. It is bad history because our current economic woes don't come close to those of the 1930s. At worst, a comparison to the 1981-82 recession might be appropriate. Consider the job losses that Mr. Obama always cites. In the last year, the U.S. economy shed 3.4 million jobs. That's a grim statistic for sure, but represents just 2.2% of the labor force. From November 1981 to October 1982, 2.4 million jobs were lost -- fewer in number than today, but the labor force was smaller. So 1981-82 job losses totaled 2.2% of the labor force, the same as now.

Job losses in the Great Depression were of an entirely different magnitude. In 1930, the economy shed 4.8% of the labor force. In 1931, 6.5%. And then in 1932, another 7.1%. Jobs were being lost at double or triple the rate of 2008-09 or 1981-82.
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This was reflected in unemployment rates. The latest survey pegs U.S. unemployment at 7.6%. That's more than three percentage points below the 1982 peak (10.8%) and not even a third of the peak in 1932 (25.2%). You simply can't equate 7.6% unemployment with the Great Depression.
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Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5889

President Barack Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form.
Stopped reading there, pretty sure the last admin did that.
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7063|San Antonio, Texas
I don't care if he talks, he just needs to stop trying to ram though bills attempting to "fix" the economy. It's been proven over and over that the more involvement the government has in the economy the worse the economy is in the long run.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6748|The Land of Scott Walker

Macbeth wrote:

President Barack Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form.
Stopped reading there, pretty sure the last admin did that.
This is about the current administration.  You can't blame everything on Bush.  New talking points please.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6904|132 and Bush

Politicians can decimate consumer confidence. .. so can losing your job though.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|5889

Stingray24 wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

President Barack Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form.
Stopped reading there, pretty sure the last admin did that.
This is about the current administration.  You can't blame everything on Bush.  New talking points please.
I haven't ever blamed much on Bush really. I just think it's funny to say that Obama turned fear mongering to get what he wants into a art, after a month where as the last admin had been doing it for the 8 years before that daily.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,060|7075|PNW

Macbeth wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


Stopped reading there, pretty sure the last admin did that.
This is about the current administration.  You can't blame everything on Bush.  New talking points please.
I haven't ever blamed much on Bush really. I just think it's funny to say that Obama turned fear mongering to get what he wants into a art, after a month where as the last admin had been doing it for the 8 years before that daily.
Obama was supposed to represent change (whatever that is), no?
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6683|MN
I honestly have been trying to figure out why there is such a downturn in the economy.  I understand the housing bubble and credit crunch, but things should be stagnant right now.  I mean the economy overall wasn't that bad off.  The Auto industry was a disaster waiting to happen for a long time.  I can't help but think that the fear mongering going on about this is solely for the purpose of passing spending bills to keep/make people dependant on government. 

I know you will say I am a conservative with a far right view, but honestly look at the market and all the other industries and tell my why the economy is going to fail so hard other than because someone says it will.  I have to admit I am agreeing with ATG.

Maybe this isn't such a bad thing overall though.  As long as Obama doesn't get too much done I don't like.  People may finally realize they need to take their own well being into their own hands.  They may start saving more and being less dependent on a credit line to get the things they don't need.  I can only hope.

Last edited by LividBovine (2009-02-15 19:34:23)

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Macbeth
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+2,444|5889

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:


This is about the current administration.  You can't blame everything on Bush.  New talking points please.
I haven't ever blamed much on Bush really. I just think it's funny to say that Obama turned fear mongering to get what he wants into a art, after a month where as the last admin had been doing it for the 8 years before that daily.
Obama was supposed to represent change (whatever that is), no?
lol I didn't vote for him based on "change"
I'm saying it's funny how the WSJ said Obama is fear mongering a month in while Bush on the other hand had been doing it for 8 years before that.
i think it's called irony.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6832|Global Command

LividBovine wrote:

I honestly have been trying to figure out why there is such a downturn in the economy.
There's an old saying; " don't piss on my back and tell me its raining. "


This bailout and everything associated with it is nothing but a power grab.
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6683|MN

Macbeth wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


I haven't ever blamed much on Bush really. I just think it's funny to say that Obama turned fear mongering to get what he wants into a art, after a month where as the last admin had been doing it for the 8 years before that daily.
Obama was supposed to represent change (whatever that is), no?
lol I didn't vote for him based on "change"
I'm saying it's funny how the WSJ said Obama is fear mongering a month in while Bush on the other hand had been doing it for 8 years before that.
i think it's called irony.
It's called fear mongering.  Using fear to get something done that would otherwise fail, but for the fear you have created.  Works well.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6683|MN

ATG wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

I honestly have been trying to figure out why there is such a downturn in the economy.
There's an old saying; " don't piss on my back and tell me its raining. "


This bailout and everything associated with it is nothing but a power grab.
Now I wouldn't go all conspiracy theory on this but I do know the situation is being taken advantage of in a huge way.

Did I just do a lowing and post twice in a row?  Damn, that is annoying.

Last edited by LividBovine (2009-02-15 19:47:37)

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Macbeth
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+2,444|5889

LividBovine wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:


Obama was supposed to represent change (whatever that is), no?
lol I didn't vote for him based on "change"
I'm saying it's funny how the WSJ said Obama is fear mongering a month in while Bush on the other hand had been doing it for 8 years before that.
i think it's called irony.
It's called fear mongering.  Using fear to get something done that would otherwise fail, but for the fear you have created.  Works well.
I know exactly what fear mongering is. You completely missed the point.

The irony part is how WSJ after a month said Obama is fear mongering to get whatever he wants but on the other hand Bush had been doing it for 8 years before.

That is the part I find ironic, a month Obama is a fear monger where as Bush a month in was all right. Hell even after 9/11 it was still all right.
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6683|MN
I am saying that he is fear mongering.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7019
the difference between Bush and his fearmongering and Obama and his fearmongering is that BO ran on hope and happiness and pretty rainbows... 3 weeks later it's a cliff we are about to fall off and a catastrophe that is as bad as the Depression... If BO is trying to inspire confidence... he is missing the boat... 
Unless BO knows and realizes the economy will improve in the next 6-12 months(like the other recessions)
and if he makes it sound like the apocalypse now... when things do get better... he will look like a genius...?   

If he says no to Peloser, Bawney Fwank and Reid...and keeps them from asking for checks every couple of months... he may be alright...
Love is the answer
topthrill05
Member
+125|6881|Rochester NY USA
Not that I think its right, but he wouldn't of gotten elected otherwise. Same goes for McCain, they both painted a pretty picture.

I don't like it but it's the way it is in elections. In reality we lost almost 600k jobs last month, At that rate we are talking 6 million by the end of the year. I too think its a huge issue, but would prefer a pure infrastructure investment bill, and then a bill extending food stamps and such. Tax cuts and giving everyone 400 bucks is just doing more harm then good. Keep the taxes where they are, really we have to pay it back sometime.
BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7071
You Right Wing conspiracy nut jobs make me laugh.
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6683|MN
What conspiracy do you speak of.  I have simply stated that the democrats are taking advantage of an economic downturn by scaring people into letting them spend more money on government programs.  Is this not true?
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7019

BN wrote:

You Right Wing conspiracy nut jobs make me laugh.
who mentioned conspiracy?  Please explain... or give a quick nonsensical kiddy answer
Love is the answer
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6841|Long Island, New York

LividBovine wrote:

Is this not true?
Indeed it is. And it's a shame.

It's certainly not only Obama, though.
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6683|MN

Poseidon wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

Is this not true?
Indeed it is. And it's a shame.

It's certainly not only Obama, though.
Didn't say it was, but he is in the hot seat now and we get to throw stones at him.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,817|6409|eXtreme to the maX
He's still got a long way to go to beat Duhbya in terms of crazy rhetoric.
Fuck Israel
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6851|San Diego, CA, USA
I have to agree with the OP...if government just stop 'doing shit' and leave us alone this thing will work its way through the system alot faster than their meddling.  The more they hype-down the economy the longer this is going to last.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7065

ATG wrote:

I wonder what would happen to the economy if the politicians just stop talking and let us get back to our lives.
ummm..

i never "left" my life.  i dont know why you listen to thim but w/e
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6954|USA

Macbeth wrote:

President Barack Obama has turned fearmongering into an art form.
Stopped reading there, pretty sure the last admin did that.
Really? Was there something about 911, and violating a peace treaty that was not real?

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