m3thod wrote:
Ridir wrote:
m3thod have you ever known anyone who has been killed by these people? Have you ever met anyone, been friends with, talked to and hung out with someone that has been shot, blown up or otherwise hurt by these hostile combatants? I lost my first friend to them before I graduated high school, I lost several of my friends from boot camp within two years from graduation. One killed by a roadside bomb, one killed by an assault on one of our FOBs, they sent in two explosive laden vehicles one after the other.
You lose friends and keep your moral high ground, or are you so sheltered that you'll never lose one of your country club friends to something like this? You are so secure in your belief that you and your friends will never fall victim to a terrorist attack, foreign invader or other event? Ok, be secure in your ideology and belief that humanity will prevail in time. I mean history is in your favor right, the Greeks are still around right? Yeah, I mean Greece and Athens are still there. Oh and Rome did an excellent job of spreading democracy and freedom, it never infringed on anyone's rights. The Medieval Age of Europe was a stark advancement in technology and human rights. Its not like Middle Eastern Countries are going through a Medieval Age currently in their governing [high value on religious law].
Oh fuck it, you won't listen anyway.
Yawn. Sorry, I don't care for your personal losses. You didn't go thousands miles east to have a party, and more to the point no asked you and certainly no one invited your ignorant arses over. Boo hoo. Find someone who cares. If you think losing your countrymen to terrorists is a free ticket to behave as they do, then you're wrong. There is no excuse for torture. EVER. That goes for both parties.
And the probability of dieing from the terrorist attack is so low it's not worth worrying about, try scaremongering someone else.
Yawn is the best you can do? and forget scaremongering, you label everything into a generalization and dismiss it as an irrelevant tactic by your politic opposite. It is your best form of debating. If you want a list of terrorist actions from Middle East to Western Cultures you can go look it up over a hundred times on this forum alone. Second easiest is going to wikipedia and third would be to go to a US, UK, or EU website relating to the subject. There have been Middle Eastern terrorist attacks on Western culture assets and personnel since the 1970's. Airline hijacks, cruise ships, the Beirut Marine Barracks bombing in the early 80's, the simultaneous US embassy bombings in Africa, the USS Cole attack, London, Madrid, New York and Washington DC, the French riots of the poor lower class Middle East immigrants. No none of these are reasons to go protect our "ignorant arses". I've only lost one friend in Iraq, two in Afghanistan.
But you are right, we didn't go thousands of miles east to have a party. We went thousands of miles east to go protect the Western Culture which surprisingly includes you. If you want to be morally superior go over there and help the Middle Eastern peoples yourself. Go build them schools, bridges, waterworks that bring clean water to villages, towns and cities. Bring them work, food, and hope you aren't taken hostage for being a different faith, skin color, or social caste. If you do get captured and they start to waterboard you remember that we might capture them but they stand a good chance to be released because they are going to stand more of a civilian trail than a military tribunal.
