Thanks sweet heart..Sup wrote:
lulz I'll be damned if Aussie and lowing don't win the Best quarrel of 2008 award. luv u guys <3
<3 you too.
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<3 you too.
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So.. ..what do you do for a living, lowing?
I need around tree fiddy.
Well you had my arms cut off in an accident, if I can get cross trained while maintaining the ability to pay my bills, plus get a premium parking spot, yeah I call it a success story.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Success story? Living on disabilities payments isn't what I would call a success story. But, if that's how you define success go for it.lowing wrote:
LOL, my disability is paid for by me in the form of insurance. Nothing more needs to be said about it, I pay for my insurance. YOu gave me a scenario where I couldn't work, and gave you my solution I can not halp it if it turns nto a success story. I will try harder next time not to have insurance or a plan.
So in your world, the poor work and contribute? How do they d othat on welfare that I provide? I also never said anything about anyone not deserving life. Everyone deservres the life they provide for themselves. How much more fair can I be?
I would love to be able to keep more of the money that I worked or and EARNED. Call me crazy, I like providing a quality life for me and my family as well.
How do the poor contribute? Well they do consume goods, as we've all be pointing out to you. You perform maintenance on aircraft? Well I'm sure that poor people have used services you've helped provide. They have contributed to the demand for your job and through that demand comes your salary amount.
Already pointed out, that the poor is not spending their money, they are spending MY money, money I EARNED. SO basically I contributed the money that is being spent in the economy not the poor. HENCE the poor are not contributing to shit. I can not help it if you ignored that post.
I am truely lost as to how a person on wellfare has supported me,as if I would be out of work if it were not for those on welfare. but I got time explain that one to me if you will ( can)
I am an aircraft mechanicDonFck wrote:
So.. ..what do you do for a living, lowing?
The poor earn money through their own jobs lowing. They do have jobs occasionally. It isn't just your tax dollars they are all living off, despite what you believe. And when they spend that small income they do have, that they have earned, they are paying taxes AND supporting the goods and services industry they are purchasing from.lowing wrote:
Well you had my arms cut off in an accident, if I can get cross trained while maintaining the ability to pay my bills, plus get a premium parking spot, yeah I call it a success story.
Already pointed out, that the poor is not spending their money, they are spending MY money, money I EARNED. SO basically I contributed the money that is being spent in the economy not the poor. HENCE the poor are not contributing to shit. I can not help it if you ignored that post.
I am truely lost as to how a person on wellfare has supported me,as if I would be out of work if it were not for those on welfare. but I got time explain that one to me if you will ( can)
Monetary systems are circular. Yet you think it's a trickle down economy, something we've all been telling you simple does not and cannot work.
I hope I've explained to you that the poor still use goods and services, which you yourself rely on for your income. They are not a black hole sucking in dollar signs, money flows back to you.
Impressive. So you have a degree in engineering, I presume?lowing wrote:
I am an aircraft mechanicDonFck wrote:
So.. ..what do you do for a living, lowing?
I need around tree fiddy.
being middle lower class is not being poor. Poor people live off of the govt. lower middle class do not.TheAussieReaper wrote:
The poor earn money through their own jobs lowing. They do have jobs occasionally. It isn't just your tax dollars they are all living off, despite what you believe. And when they spend that small income they do have, that they have earned, they are paying taxes AND supporting the goods and services industry they are purchasing from.lowing wrote:
Well you had my arms cut off in an accident, if I can get cross trained while maintaining the ability to pay my bills, plus get a premium parking spot, yeah I call it a success story.
Already pointed out, that the poor is not spending their money, they are spending MY money, money I EARNED. SO basically I contributed the money that is being spent in the economy not the poor. HENCE the poor are not contributing to shit. I can not help it if you ignored that post.
I am truely lost as to how a person on wellfare has supported me,as if I would be out of work if it were not for those on welfare. but I got time explain that one to me if you will ( can)
Monetary systems are circular. Yet you think it's a trickle down economy, something we've all been telling you simple does not and cannot work.
I hope I've explained to you that the poor still use goods and services, which you yourself rely on for your income. They are not a black hole sucking in dollar signs, money flows back to you.
What you are trying to pass off is giving money away to non-earners, stimulates growth. This is not true, the money has already been earned( by someone else) you are just giving to someone else to spend instead of leatting the ones that earn it spend it. THis makes sense to you, and it is utter bullshit.
nope, I am not a college graduate. I decided to use my time learning a trade instead. I went to school to earn an A&P license which is issued by the govt., It usually takes 2 years to earn one. plus I gained experience in the military. All of this was over 20 years agoDonFck wrote:
Impressive. So you have a degree in engineering, I presume?lowing wrote:
I am an aircraft mechanicDonFck wrote:
So.. ..what do you do for a living, lowing?
Well then explain to me why the Governments of the world, to promote spending and stimulate growth have been handed out payments to the lower economic classes? I guess they and myself and everyone who's been arguing with you in this thread are all wrong.lowing wrote:
being middle lower class is not being poor. Poor people live off of the govt. lower middle class do not.
What you are trying to pass off is giving money away to non-earners, stimulates growth. This is not true, the money has already been earned( by someone else) you are just giving to someone else to spend instead of leatting the ones that earn it spend it. THis makes sense to you, and it is utter bullshit.
I can't understand why you refuse to believe that this policy works, because the monetary system is cyclical.
So your knowledge in economics is..?lowing wrote:
nope, I am not a college graduate. I decided to use my time learning a trade instead. I went to school to earn an A&P license which is issued by the govt., It usually takes 2 years to earn one. plus I gained experience in the military. All of this was over 20 years agoDonFck wrote:
Impressive. So you have a degree in engineering, I presume?lowing wrote:
I am an aircraft mechanic
Additional question, what would your personal plans be in the event that you lost your job?
I need around tree fiddy.
LOL, the reason is, you are all socialists!! I am not. I beleive in EARNING a living not handing one out. I do not believe one should be allowed to live off of the labors of others without contributing anything themselves. Pretty simple really.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Well then explain to me why the Governments of the world, to promote spending and stimulate growth have been handed out payments to the lower economic classes? I guess they and myself and everyone who's been arguing with you in this thread are all wrong.lowing wrote:
being middle lower class is not being poor. Poor people live off of the govt. lower middle class do not.
What you are trying to pass off is giving money away to non-earners, stimulates growth. This is not true, the money has already been earned( by someone else) you are just giving to someone else to spend instead of leatting the ones that earn it spend it. THis makes sense to you, and it is utter bullshit.
I can't understand why you refuse to believe that this policy works, because the monetary system is cyclical.
Socialist? You make it sound like a bad thing.lowing wrote:
LOL, the reason is, you are all socialists!! I am not. I beleive in EARNING a living not handing one out. I do not believe one should be allowed to live off of the labors of others without contributing anything themselves. Pretty simple really.
I think I'd prefer living in a Socialist Democracy, what system would you prefer?
Totalitarian?
edit: it's getting late. g'night for now.
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My knowledge of economics is relagated to the belief that in order to spend money you have to EARN money, in order to stimulate the economy you have to contribute to the economy, in the form of building business that provide jobs allowing people to earn money to spend. If you are asking if I studied under Allen Greenspan, I did not.DonFck wrote:
So your knowledge in economics is..?lowing wrote:
nope, I am not a college graduate. I decided to use my time learning a trade instead. I went to school to earn an A&P license which is issued by the govt., It usually takes 2 years to earn one. plus I gained experience in the military. All of this was over 20 years agoDonFck wrote:
Impressive. So you have a degree in engineering, I presume?
Additional question, what would your personal plans be in the event that you lost your job?
My personal plans if I lost my job is this.........Find another one. I can say this because in my line of work, I have been in that situation and the solution was just that, find another job. THe fact that I have made myself marketable makes finding work pretty easy. It is amazing what being marketable does for you.
Nope, I prefer living in capitalist republic.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Socialist? You make it sound like a bad thing.lowing wrote:
LOL, the reason is, you are all socialists!! I am not. I beleive in EARNING a living not handing one out. I do not believe one should be allowed to live off of the labors of others without contributing anything themselves. Pretty simple really.
I think I'd prefer living in a Socialist Democracy, what system would you prefer?
Totalitarian?
edit: it's getting late. g'night for now.
Hell no, socialism is great, especially if you are on the recieving end of the labors and efforts of others.
≠ knowledgelowing wrote:
belief
I would have honestly gone into a catatonic state had you answered "Investment banker" to my first question. I shit you not.
I need around tree fiddy.
I see, so you are one who believes that it is the welfare recipients and not the contributers to a society that stimulate an economy. If so please link to it.DonFck wrote:
≠ knowledgelowing wrote:
belief
I would have honestly gone into a catatonic state had you answered "Investment banker" to my first question. I shit you not.
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I linked you to the book earlier, but you claimed that you had no time.lowing wrote:
I see, so you are one who believe that is the welfare recipients and not the contributers to a society that stimulate an economy. If so please link to it.DonFck wrote:
≠ knowledgelowing wrote:
belief
I would have honestly gone into a catatonic state had you answered "Investment banker" to my first question. I shit you not.
I need around tree fiddy.
and in this book, is the claim that welfare recipients are the key ingredient to a viable economiv success? If you answer yes, the nI will go back a read the linkDonFck wrote:
I linked you to the book earlier, but you claimed that you had no time.lowing wrote:
I see, so you are one who believe that is the welfare recipients and not the contributers to a society that stimulate an economy. If so please link to it.DonFck wrote:
≠ knowledge
I would have honestly gone into a catatonic state had you answered "Investment banker" to my first question. I shit you not.
If the 5% of unemployed people stopped living off welfare and got a job you'd be financially fucked.
Once they get jobs there will be increasing problems for employers to find people to do the non-skilled jobs as everyone has a job already. This means the the non-skilled workers will be able to demand more from their employers and employers will have to increase wages in order to attract or keep these workers, simply supply and demand.
This will increase wage costs on businesses, in order to remain profitable they'll cut the wages of the more skilled workers as there will be no increase in demand for them, congratulations Lowing, you just got yourself a nice pay cut.
The other thing that will likely happen is a rise in prices to keep profiits up. Now you've had a pay cut and things start costing more, well done.
At least you've got your savings.... but wait as prices rise, so does the wage demands of the non-skilled workers and so we get a wage-price inflation spiral that cuts down the purchasing power of those savings.
Now that you're earning less, bills have risen and your savings have taken a hit, you can think back to those lovely days when you payed a small amount of tax money for welfare payments.
Unemploment is really good for the middle/upper class.
Once they get jobs there will be increasing problems for employers to find people to do the non-skilled jobs as everyone has a job already. This means the the non-skilled workers will be able to demand more from their employers and employers will have to increase wages in order to attract or keep these workers, simply supply and demand.
This will increase wage costs on businesses, in order to remain profitable they'll cut the wages of the more skilled workers as there will be no increase in demand for them, congratulations Lowing, you just got yourself a nice pay cut.
The other thing that will likely happen is a rise in prices to keep profiits up. Now you've had a pay cut and things start costing more, well done.
At least you've got your savings.... but wait as prices rise, so does the wage demands of the non-skilled workers and so we get a wage-price inflation spiral that cuts down the purchasing power of those savings.
Now that you're earning less, bills have risen and your savings have taken a hit, you can think back to those lovely days when you payed a small amount of tax money for welfare payments.
Unemploment is really good for the middle/upper class.
I haven't read that particular book. "Economics for Dummies" is not included in the curriculum of university-level business studies.lowing wrote:
and in this book, is the claim that welfare recipients are the key ingredient to a viable economiv success? If you answer yes, the nI will go back a read the linkDonFck wrote:
I linked you to the book earlier, but you claimed that you had no time.lowing wrote:
I see, so you are one who believe that is the welfare recipients and not the contributors to a society that stimulate an economy. If so please link to it.
Welfare recipients do not contribute to the economy. Welfare recipients are given welfare so that they will have the possibility to pick themselves up and be employed, maybe educated as well so that they wouldn't have to work minimum wage. That's where a part of your tax money goes. When these people are employed, they proceed to pay taxes, I.e. "giving back to the community" as well as in their turn contributing to the helping of people in the situation they were in previously.
THIS IS HOW A SOCIAL SYSTEM WORKS. It's existence is by no means to give people "free rides", but to support those who are in desperate need of it, so that they can begin to contribute to the society again.
There will always be unemployment, this is a fact. If you don't understand this, you are certainly worthy of your admin note. And in the event of a recession, the level of unemployment will be higher. A community helps the ones in need. It seems you would prefer having new legislation instated allowing hunting and killing of the poor for sport.
Good one chief. You sound like you'd be the first to push an armless man in a wheelchair down the stairs because he can't work anymore.
I need around tree fiddy.
Welfare recipients do not contribute to the economy...Thank you.DonFck wrote:
I haven't read that particular book. "Economics for Dummies" is not included in the curriculum of university-level business studies.lowing wrote:
and in this book, is the claim that welfare recipients are the key ingredient to a viable economiv success? If you answer yes, the nI will go back a read the linkDonFck wrote:
I linked you to the book earlier, but you claimed that you had no time.
Welfare recipients do not contribute to the economy. Welfare recipients are given welfare so that they will have the possibility to pick themselves up and be employed, maybe educated as well so that they wouldn't have to work minimum wage. That's where a part of your tax money goes. When these people are employed, they proceed to pay taxes, I.e. "giving back to the community" as well as in their turn contributing to the helping of people in the situation they were in previously.
THIS IS HOW A SOCIAL SYSTEM WORKS. It's existence is by no means to give people "free rides", but to support those who are in desperate need of it, so that they can begin to contribute to the society again.
There will always be unemployment, this is a fact. If you don't understand this, you are certainly worthy of your admin note. And in the event of a recession, the level of unemployment will be higher. A community helps the ones in need. It seems you would prefer having new legislation instated allowing hunting and killing of the poor for sport.
Good one chief. You sound like you'd be the first to push an armless man in a wheelchair down the stairs because he can't work anymore.
The idea of welfare is to assist temporarily until a person picks themselves up. Reality is, it is a life style with no intention of anything better. So yes it turns into a free ride.
I do understsand there is always gunna be unemployment. Because there will always be losers. THe key is, just make sure it isn't you. Please note I do not include people who are temporarily out of work and are not content with staying out of work.
If you have read me in the past, you would KNOW that I have always endorsed taking care of those that can not take care of themselves, including handicapped and children. SO no, I would not push a man in wheel chair down the stairs. Not to mention the fact that being in a wheel chair does not make you unemployable.
I read in Weird New Jersey, that we had a county that had a work for welfare program. Where they wouldn't just hand out welfare and it was supposely really benefical to all parties. But the state or the federal government(going off the top of my head) but an end to it?
Why, I'm really not sure.. But I"m almost positive that we could put those people to work..
Why, I'm really not sure.. But I"m almost positive that we could put those people to work..
It probably failed because no one showed up to workcpt.fass1 wrote:
I read in Weird New Jersey, that we had a county that had a work for welfare program. Where they wouldn't just hand out welfare and it was supposely really benefical to all parties. But the state or the federal government(going off the top of my head) but an end to it?
Why, I'm really not sure.. But I"m almost positive that we could put those people to work..
Whats unemployment % in your state?lowing wrote:
Noooooooo the poor do not have jobs, they are on assisted living. THey do not pay taxes, they live off of us.TheAussieReaper wrote:
The poor do pay taxes lowing. The poor have jobs, work hard, work long hours. They just have a lesser income. They still pay taxes. To believe otherwise is living in a fantasy land.lowing wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa, the poor do not pay taxes, what exactly is being taxed? The welfare money they recieve is MY money already, so they are not paying shit, I AM.
Also, like I said and you want to ignore, disability is insurance I pay for, not the govt. SS is something I pay for.
Disability payments can also come in the form of government assistance, unless that's been stripped away from the US health care system, or was never part of it...
Maybe so, but MY disablity is paid for by ME, not YOU.
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got no ideaFatherTed wrote:
Whats unemployment % in your state?lowing wrote:
Noooooooo the poor do not have jobs, they are on assisted living. THey do not pay taxes, they live off of us.TheAussieReaper wrote:
The poor do pay taxes lowing. The poor have jobs, work hard, work long hours. They just have a lesser income. They still pay taxes. To believe otherwise is living in a fantasy land.
Disability payments can also come in the form of government assistance, unless that's been stripped away from the US health care system, or was never part of it...
Maybe so, but MY disablity is paid for by ME, not YOU.