... point being?m3thod wrote:
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I suppose he was just illustrating the effect of Gazprom/Russias and the Ukraines dispute.Shahter wrote:
... point being?m3thod wrote:
Rusian gas pipleines go further than you think
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Hope they work it out soon.
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I suppose he was just illustrating the effect of Gazprom/Russias and the Ukraines dispute.Shahter wrote:
... point being?m3thod wrote:
Rusian gas pipleines go further than you think
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Hope they work it out soon.
And wasn't referring you directly Shahtar.
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How are the North Sea Oil and Gas reserves doing and how's your trade deficit with China...?M.O.A.B wrote:
Nah
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Well from what I know, it's a simple case of a customer not paying his bills and then the supplier turning off the supply. Of course, it's on a international scale. Where the real case of the story is, is the fact that Russia was accusing Ukraine of stealing gas from pipelines that go through Ukraine but weren't meant for Ukraine.
So then Russia goes and turns the whole thing off or something. Basically screwing lots of other European countries that get their Russian gas via Ukraine.
I dunno where to sit on this one, on one hand, Russia does have the right to do that if Ukraine isn't paying its bills, and they're also trying to get gas to other countries from pipelines that don't go through Ukraine, but on the other, it does seem an extreme measure to make it so lots of other countries are also affected quite bad.
From what I've seen most people are angry at Ukraine for simply not paying the bills, due to corruption etc.. and lots of money being siphoned off. And now it's a case of both countries ttrying to blackmail or pressurise other countries into doing something about it, by getting them involved with gas cuts etc.. - I'd say Russia has the better hand in this game of getting-people-on-your-side, all they want is Ukraine to pay the bills.
And the UK isn't really affected, most of our shit still comes from North Sea and other places.
What this is though, is incentive for lots of countries to realise that they shouldn't rely on other countries for vital resources, especially if that other country is Russia or something crazy like that
So then Russia goes and turns the whole thing off or something. Basically screwing lots of other European countries that get their Russian gas via Ukraine.
I dunno where to sit on this one, on one hand, Russia does have the right to do that if Ukraine isn't paying its bills, and they're also trying to get gas to other countries from pipelines that don't go through Ukraine, but on the other, it does seem an extreme measure to make it so lots of other countries are also affected quite bad.
From what I've seen most people are angry at Ukraine for simply not paying the bills, due to corruption etc.. and lots of money being siphoned off. And now it's a case of both countries ttrying to blackmail or pressurise other countries into doing something about it, by getting them involved with gas cuts etc.. - I'd say Russia has the better hand in this game of getting-people-on-your-side, all they want is Ukraine to pay the bills.
And the UK isn't really affected, most of our shit still comes from North Sea and other places.
What this is though, is incentive for lots of countries to realise that they shouldn't rely on other countries for vital resources, especially if that other country is Russia or something crazy like that
Mek, sorry to break it to you but we import waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than we get from the north seaMekstizzle wrote:
Well from what I know, it's a simple case of a customer not paying his bills and then the supplier turning off the supply. Of course, it's on a international scale. Where the real case of the story is, is the fact that Russia was accusing Ukraine of stealing gas from pipelines that go through Ukraine but weren't meant for Ukraine.
So then Russia goes and turns the whole thing off or something. Basically screwing lots of other European countries that get their Russian gas via Ukraine.
I dunno where to sit on this one, on one hand, Russia does have the right to do that if Ukraine isn't paying its bills, and they're also trying to get gas to other countries from pipelines that don't go through Ukraine, but on the other, it does seem an extreme measure to make it so lots of other countries are also affected quite bad.
From what I've seen most people are angry at Ukraine for simply not paying the bills, due to corruption etc.. and lots of money being siphoned off. And now it's a case of both countries ttrying to blackmail or pressurise other countries into doing something about it, by getting them involved with gas cuts etc.. - I'd say Russia has the better hand in this game of getting-people-on-your-side, all they want is Ukraine to pay the bills.
And the UK isn't really affected, most of our shit still comes from North Sea and other places.
What this is though, is incentive for lots of countries to realise that they shouldn't rely on other countries for vital resources, especially if that other country is Russia or something crazy like that
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but, you see, this is not the first time ukraine's been stealing gas. they made it clear on several ocasions that they'd not hesitate to forfeit their contractual obligations to tranzit gas to eu if it would help them "bargaining" with gazprom. should russia just let them continue stealing the gas? last time gazprom did just that, btw - they increased the pressure in the pipes so that eu would get their gas, while ukraine kept stialing and RESELLING it to eu at full price. what ukraine is doing now is blatant extortion in which eu are being held hostages, while "crazy russia/gazprom" are as willing to honor their contracts with eu as ever.Mekstizzle wrote:
I dunno where to sit on this one, on one hand, Russia does have the right to do that if Ukraine isn't paying its bills, and they're also trying to get gas to other countries from pipelines that don't go through Ukraine, but on the other, it does seem an extreme measure to make it so lots of other countries are also affected quite bad.
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I thought we import 15% and get 85% from the North Sea reserves. But not for long. North Sea reserves will have run out fairly soon.FatherTed wrote:
Mek, sorry to break it to you but we import waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than we get from the north seaMekstizzle wrote:
Well from what I know, it's a simple case of a customer not paying his bills and then the supplier turning off the supply. Of course, it's on a international scale. Where the real case of the story is, is the fact that Russia was accusing Ukraine of stealing gas from pipelines that go through Ukraine but weren't meant for Ukraine.
So then Russia goes and turns the whole thing off or something. Basically screwing lots of other European countries that get their Russian gas via Ukraine.
I dunno where to sit on this one, on one hand, Russia does have the right to do that if Ukraine isn't paying its bills, and they're also trying to get gas to other countries from pipelines that don't go through Ukraine, but on the other, it does seem an extreme measure to make it so lots of other countries are also affected quite bad.
From what I've seen most people are angry at Ukraine for simply not paying the bills, due to corruption etc.. and lots of money being siphoned off. And now it's a case of both countries ttrying to blackmail or pressurise other countries into doing something about it, by getting them involved with gas cuts etc.. - I'd say Russia has the better hand in this game of getting-people-on-your-side, all they want is Ukraine to pay the bills.
And the UK isn't really affected, most of our shit still comes from North Sea and other places.
What this is though, is incentive for lots of countries to realise that they shouldn't rely on other countries for vital resources, especially if that other country is Russia or something crazy like that
Yeah, I'm aware that Ukraine is trying to hustle the EU as much if not more than Russia is, and they're trying to play the victim card here and trying to get people on their side. From what I've heard, most of us here in this EU are more smart than that, I think we can look past Ukraine's shenanigans and see what's really going on. Still doesn't change the fact that Russia isn't the EU's most friendly neighbour and it would be much better to not rely on Russia so much.Shahter wrote:
but, you see, this is not the first time ukraine's been stealing gas. they made it clear on several ocasions that they'd not hesitate to forfeit their contractual obligations to tranzit gas to eu if it would help them "bargaining" with gazprom. should russia just let them continue stealing the gas? last time gazprom did just that, btw - they increased the pressure in the pipes so that eu would get their gas, while ukraine kept stialing and RESELLING it to eu at full price. what ukraine is doing now is blatant extortion in which eu are being held hostages, while "crazy russia/gazprom" are as willing to honor their contracts with eu as ever.Mekstizzle wrote:
I dunno where to sit on this one, on one hand, Russia does have the right to do that if Ukraine isn't paying its bills, and they're also trying to get gas to other countries from pipelines that don't go through Ukraine, but on the other, it does seem an extreme measure to make it so lots of other countries are also affected quite bad.
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USA: Chinas bitchusmarine wrote:
europe: russias bitch
not really but roger that
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USA: Chinas bitchusmarine wrote:
europe: russias bitch
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swear its extremes like that but the other way round. had a good lecture on fuel in the uk, ill dig up the notesBertster7 wrote:
I thought we import 15% and get 85% from the North Sea reserves. But not for long. North Sea reserves will have run out fairly soon.FatherTed wrote:
Mek, sorry to break it to you but we import waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than we get from the north seaMekstizzle wrote:
Well from what I know, it's a simple case of a customer not paying his bills and then the supplier turning off the supply. Of course, it's on a international scale. Where the real case of the story is, is the fact that Russia was accusing Ukraine of stealing gas from pipelines that go through Ukraine but weren't meant for Ukraine.
So then Russia goes and turns the whole thing off or something. Basically screwing lots of other European countries that get their Russian gas via Ukraine.
I dunno where to sit on this one, on one hand, Russia does have the right to do that if Ukraine isn't paying its bills, and they're also trying to get gas to other countries from pipelines that don't go through Ukraine, but on the other, it does seem an extreme measure to make it so lots of other countries are also affected quite bad.
From what I've seen most people are angry at Ukraine for simply not paying the bills, due to corruption etc.. and lots of money being siphoned off. And now it's a case of both countries ttrying to blackmail or pressurise other countries into doing something about it, by getting them involved with gas cuts etc.. - I'd say Russia has the better hand in this game of getting-people-on-your-side, all they want is Ukraine to pay the bills.
And the UK isn't really affected, most of our shit still comes from North Sea and other places.
What this is though, is incentive for lots of countries to realise that they shouldn't rely on other countries for vital resources, especially if that other country is Russia or something crazy like that
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A couple of years ago we only imported 10%. I know it's risen, but not that dramatically (yet). North Sea Gas is lasting longer than predictions said.FatherTed wrote:
swear its extremes like that but the other way round. had a good lecture on fuel in the uk, ill dig up the notesBertster7 wrote:
I thought we import 15% and get 85% from the North Sea reserves. But not for long. North Sea reserves will have run out fairly soon.FatherTed wrote:
Mek, sorry to break it to you but we import waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than we get from the north sea
Much like America, Europe really should consider moving more towards nuclear power.
America is even further behind the curve on that one.
America is even further behind the curve on that one.
We already get around a quarter of our energy (domestically) from nuclear power (in the UK). We buy a load of power from France too, also nuclear (they get around 80% from nuclear sources). The bastard Scots are trying to stop us building more though (devolution FTL, as I've always said).Turquoise wrote:
Much like America, Europe really should consider moving more towards nuclear power.
America is even further behind the curve on that one.
The UK and France are also world leaders in research into making fusion power work - which may well just be a crazy pipe dream, but who knows.
Yeah, France was pretty smart to have such a large nuclear power supply. Imagine how different Europe's energy situation would be if all of Europe had done that.Bertster7 wrote:
We already get around a quarter of our energy (domestically) from nuclear power (in the UK). We buy a load of power from France too, also nuclear (they get around 80% from nuclear sources). The bastard Scots are trying to stop us building more though (devolution FTL, as I've always said).Turquoise wrote:
Much like America, Europe really should consider moving more towards nuclear power.
America is even further behind the curve on that one.
The UK and France are also world leaders in research into making fusion power work - which may well just be a crazy pipe dream, but who knows.
Out of curiosity, why are the Scots against it?
Cos they don't want nuclear power in Scotland, it's pretty much the same everywhere in this country, infact nobody wants anything here. Wind Turbines, no people don't like them they "spoil the countryside", and there's stupid excuses by people for everything. Personally if this country can't get its act together and people can't stop complaining about everything, then we deserve to go to the fucking dogs and fail. I've had enough of this shit now.
It's pretty easy to build things that no one wants near where they live when you're the largest country in Europe.Turquoise wrote:
Yeah, France was pretty smart to have such a large nuclear power supply. Imagine how different Europe's energy situation would be if all of Europe had done that.Bertster7 wrote:
We already get around a quarter of our energy (domestically) from nuclear power (in the UK). We buy a load of power from France too, also nuclear (they get around 80% from nuclear sources). The bastard Scots are trying to stop us building more though (devolution FTL, as I've always said).Turquoise wrote:
Much like America, Europe really should consider moving more towards nuclear power.
America is even further behind the curve on that one.
The UK and France are also world leaders in research into making fusion power work - which may well just be a crazy pipe dream, but who knows.
Out of curiosity, why are the Scots against it?
The Scots don't want nuclear power stations in Scotland. Understandable, but they have the most open space to put them in. I think they should either fuck off and be independent or behave and stop being such awkward cunts (the Welsh too to a lesser extent).
Agreed.Bertster7 wrote:
It's pretty easy to build things that no one wants near where they live when you're the largest country in Europe.Turquoise wrote:
Yeah, France was pretty smart to have such a large nuclear power supply. Imagine how different Europe's energy situation would be if all of Europe had done that.Bertster7 wrote:
We already get around a quarter of our energy (domestically) from nuclear power (in the UK). We buy a load of power from France too, also nuclear (they get around 80% from nuclear sources). The bastard Scots are trying to stop us building more though (devolution FTL, as I've always said).
The UK and France are also world leaders in research into making fusion power work - which may well just be a crazy pipe dream, but who knows.
Out of curiosity, why are the Scots against it?
The Scots don't want nuclear power stations in Scotland. Understandable, but they have the most open space to put them in. I think they should either fuck off and be independent or behave and stop being such awkward cunts (the Welsh too to a lesser extent).
The funny thing is, half of America is eager to set up nuclear power plants. They wouldn't have a problem with them being nearby either. It's just that the other half is too stubborn to consider nuclear power.
I tend to side with Democrats, but their stubborn refusal to help us move toward nuclear power is something I'm at odds with them about.
I don't understand why the US shys away from nuclear power so much. I've always (without a real reason) blamed energy company lobbyists. I could be totally wrong there though - that is a totally baseless opinion on something I know fuck all about.Turquoise wrote:
Agreed.Bertster7 wrote:
It's pretty easy to build things that no one wants near where they live when you're the largest country in Europe.Turquoise wrote:
Yeah, France was pretty smart to have such a large nuclear power supply. Imagine how different Europe's energy situation would be if all of Europe had done that.
Out of curiosity, why are the Scots against it?
The Scots don't want nuclear power stations in Scotland. Understandable, but they have the most open space to put them in. I think they should either fuck off and be independent or behave and stop being such awkward cunts (the Welsh too to a lesser extent).
The funny thing is, half of America is eager to set up nuclear power plants. They wouldn't have a problem with them being nearby either. It's just that the other half is too stubborn to consider nuclear power.
I tend to side with Democrats, but their stubborn refusal to help us move toward nuclear power is something I'm at odds with them about.
Lobbyism may play a part (it usually does), but so do hippies. People blame hippies for a lot of things, but this is one case where the blame actually sticks.Bertster7 wrote:
I don't understand why the US shys away from nuclear power so much. I've always (without a real reason) blamed energy company lobbyists. I could be totally wrong there though - that is a totally baseless opinion on something I know fuck all about.Turquoise wrote:
Agreed.Bertster7 wrote:
It's pretty easy to build things that no one wants near where they live when you're the largest country in Europe.
The Scots don't want nuclear power stations in Scotland. Understandable, but they have the most open space to put them in. I think they should either fuck off and be independent or behave and stop being such awkward cunts (the Welsh too to a lesser extent).
The funny thing is, half of America is eager to set up nuclear power plants. They wouldn't have a problem with them being nearby either. It's just that the other half is too stubborn to consider nuclear power.
I tend to side with Democrats, but their stubborn refusal to help us move toward nuclear power is something I'm at odds with them about.
A lot of people in America seem to have some absurd idea that nuclear power is bad. Compared to the alternative of staying dependent on a dwindling oil supply, it really isn't.
NIMBY attitude towards nuke stations can suck my dick
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