Dilbert_X
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http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7824731.stm

Bush warns Obama of terror threat

Outgoing US President George W Bush has warned his successor that a terrorist attack is still the "most urgent threat" to the US.
At his last press conference before handing over to Barack Obama next week, he said there were enemies who wanted to inflict damage on Americans.
Mr Bush said he believed North Korea may have an enriched uranium programme, while Iran was "still dangerous".
Mr Bush wished Mr Obama good luck, saying he would be well supported.

Appearing before the White House press corps to thank them for their work during his two terms in power, Mr Bush said he had received a security briefing every day except Sundays for the past eight years.
"The most urgent threat he will have to deal with, and other presidents after him have got to deal with, is an attack on our homeland," Mr Bush said.
"I wish I could report that is not the case, but there's still an enemy out there that would like to inflict damage on Americans. That will be the major threat."
Mr Bush was only eight months into his presidency when terror attacks occurred on 11 September, 2001, in the US.

In a wide-ranging question and answer session with the media, Mr Bush was asked about his mistakes, the economy, the Middle East and his future.

Questioned about America's "moral standing" in the world, he strongly disagreed with suggestions that it had been damaged by the war in Iraq.
But he acknowledged that it had been a mistake to make a speech about US troops in Iraq underneath a banner proclaiming "mission accomplished" in 2003.

President Bush outlines some of his presidential disappointments
US troop numbers were subsequently increased, and 140,000 remain in Iraq as his presidency ends.
Other "disappointments" cited by Mr Bush were the prisoner abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib, and "not having weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq - the main reason given by the US for launching a war on Saddam Hussein.

He said he would be willing to ask Congress to release the remaining $350bn from the government's bailout fund, if Barack Obama asked him to.
Mr Bush also said the response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 in New Orleans had been fast enough, but conceded that "things could have been done better".
The Bush administration was widely criticised by local residents who felt abandoned in the immediate aftermath of the disaster.
Thats pretty funny really, Bush ignored the terror threat and lectures Obama on it?
And disappointment doesn't begin to describe not finding WMDs in Iraq.

Pretty sure the Bush team declined a security briefing from the outgoing Clinton team, will try to dig that up.
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AussieReaper
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I think Obama will look to his own advisors and Bush's former advisers before he takes note of anything the outgoing Bush has to say.

Mr Bush also said the response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 in New Orleans had been fast enough
Wow. He's delusional.
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Buck Fush.

Seriously though, fuck him.
destruktion_6143
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FEOS
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Mr Bush also said the response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 in New Orleans had been fast enough
Wow. He's delusional.
No...people who don't understand how the federal/state laws work are delusional.

Last edited by FEOS (2009-01-12 21:42:36)

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AussieReaper
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FEOS wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Mr Bush also said the response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 in New Orleans had been fast enough
Wow. He's delusional.
No...people who don't understand how the federal/state laws work are delusional.
Must have missed the Federal and State laws that prevented aid to arrive ON TIME.
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FEOS
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:


Wow. He's delusional.
No...people who don't understand how the federal/state laws work are delusional.
Must have missed the Federal and State laws that prevented aid to arrive ON TIME.
Must have.

You see, the Federal government cannot intervene in State matters outside of Constitutional mandates absent a State's request for Federal assistance. Louisiana's inept state government (and New Orleans' inept city government) did not ask for Federal aid until it was too late to pre-position the assets where they would be useful. It wasn't until well after the flooding had begun (and thus impeded aid flow) that those knitwits finally did what they should have done when a Cat 3 hurricane was bearing down on a city that is predominantly below sea level...ask for Federal assistance.

But people don't let pesky things like facts and Constitutional requirements get in their way when they don't suit their agenda.
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Dilbert_X
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Woudn't have been too hard for some-one in Washington to phone the guy
'Hey you know we can't do anything, mobilise the guard, fuel up helicopters etc unless you ask us?'
'Oh really? Fuck, please mobilise the guard, fuel up the helicopters, anything else you can think of?'

Isn't that why you have a whole organisation which does only that? (DIMA?)
Didn't the guy get fired just after?
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Iraq, Afghanistan, now Israel, angry capitalists, revelling communists; and a "a terrorist attack is still the 'most urgent threat' to the US". Okay, I guess he had to say it but still - lol.
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Pretty sure the Bush team declined a security briefing from the outgoing Clinton team, will try to dig that up.
Not holding my breath for your supporting link, because I seriously doubt the veracity of your claim.
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Dilbert_X
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This was what I was thinking of.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/20/polit … r=USERLAND
The White House does not dispute that intelligence briefings about the Qaeda threat occurred during the transition, and the commission has received extensive notes and other documentation from the White House and Clinton administration officials about what was discussed.

What is at issue, Clinton administration officials say, is whether their Bush administration counterparts acted on the warnings, and how quickly. The Clinton administration witnesses say they will offer details of the policy recommendations they made to the incoming Bush aides, but they would not discuss those details before the hearing.

"Until 9/11, counterterrorism was a very secondary issue at the Bush White House," said a senior Clinton official, speaking on condition of anonymity. "Remember those first months? The White House was focused on tax cuts, not terrorism. We saw the budgets for counterterrorism programs being cut."
And this
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020812/story.html
The Clinton team say they briefed the Bush team on a plan to knock back AQ, the Bush team say they weren't briefed.
Meh, who knows.
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Kind of ridiculous IMO if you're bashing Bush for this.
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It's more poking fun at him than bashing....although its turning into a bash fest.  Hooray!
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FEOS wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:


No...people who don't understand how the federal/state laws work are delusional.
Must have missed the Federal and State laws that prevented aid to arrive ON TIME.
Must have.

You see, the Federal government cannot intervene in State matters outside of Constitutional mandates absent a State's request for Federal assistance. Louisiana's inept state government (and New Orleans' inept city government) did not ask for Federal aid until it was too late to pre-position the assets where they would be useful. It wasn't until well after the flooding had begun (and thus impeded aid flow) that those knitwits finally did what they should have done when a Cat 3 hurricane was bearing down on a city that is predominantly below sea level...ask for Federal assistance.

But people don't let pesky things like facts and Constitutional requirements get in their way when they don't suit their agenda.
Surely you must have mechanics in federal law that can override this when the state so obviously fails ... even little Norway have a safety board to prevent bureaucratic malfunction during a disaster like this ...
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Wow. He's delusional.
No...people who don't understand how the federal/state laws work are delusional.
Must have missed the Federal and State laws that prevented aid to arrive ON TIME.
FEMA is not a first response organization.. never have been.

This all sounds very familiar

Kmarion wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

usmarine wrote:

i guess i missed all the people trying to help last time.  must have been an illusion.
they got there. just a little late.
Gee, I cant imagine why.
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Kmar
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Varegg wrote:

FEOS wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Must have missed the Federal and State laws that prevented aid to arrive ON TIME.
Must have.

You see, the Federal government cannot intervene in State matters outside of Constitutional mandates absent a State's request for Federal assistance. Louisiana's inept state government (and New Orleans' inept city government) did not ask for Federal aid until it was too late to pre-position the assets where they would be useful. It wasn't until well after the flooding had begun (and thus impeded aid flow) that those knitwits finally did what they should have done when a Cat 3 hurricane was bearing down on a city that is predominantly below sea level...ask for Federal assistance.

But people don't let pesky things like facts and Constitutional requirements get in their way when they don't suit their agenda.
Surely you must have mechanics in federal law that can override this when the state so obviously fails ... even little Norway have a safety board to prevent bureaucratic malfunction during a disaster like this ...
We do, but the most important orders come from state and local officials. Naggin didn't issue the evac until less than 24 hours before the storm. They were totally unprepared. People can hate the Bush's all they want.. but if you ever saw Jeb Bush manage an impending hurricane and then saw Blanco trying the same you'd see a huge difference. Go back and watch the press conferences, I'm sure they are on youtube.
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AussieReaper
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Kmarion wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

FEOS wrote:

No...people who don't understand how the federal/state laws work are delusional.
Must have missed the Federal and State laws that prevented aid to arrive ON TIME.
FEMA is not a first response organization.. never have been.

This all sounds very familiar
It should look familiar, as will my next retort.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

The response could have been much better. You know that, I know that.

But it's easy to criticise the response after the event and look at where everything went wrong.

One of the advantages of hindsight.

Let's hope this time around the shortcomings have been sorted.
You should recognise it. It was my reply from the same thread you quoted. Ending with me hoping that the shortcomings are sorted....

Well, you would think the first objective when dealing with short comings would be identifying them. Analysing the short comings, designing methods and mechanisms to deal with the shortcomings, planning and implementing the proposed solutions that are deemed feasible. A well thought out approach.

But hold on, step one was identifying the short comings. Guess the other steps can be skipped lads, because according to Bush "the response had been fast enough".

Oh well. Lives and learns, don't ya?
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Kmar
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

The response could have been much better. You know that, I know that.

But it's easy to criticise the response after the event and look at where everything went wrong.
As apparent by your continuation to do so even after admitting the luxuries of hindsight.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

You should recognise it. It was my reply from the same thread you quoted. Ending with me hoping that the shortcomings are sorted....

Well, you would think the first objective when dealing with short comings would be identifying them. Analysing the short comings, designing methods and mechanisms to deal with the shortcomings, planning and implementing the proposed solutions that are deemed feasible. A well thought out approach.

But hold on, step one was identifying the short comings. Guess the other steps can be skipped lads, because according to Bush "the response had been fast enough".

Oh well. Lives and learns, don't ya?
I've lived and learned it my whole life. I'm a native Floridian .

... and lets get the exact quote from Bush:



BUSH: You know, people said that the federal response was slow. Don’t tell me the federal response was slow when there was 30,000 people pulled off roofs right after the storm passed. … 30,000 people were pulled off roofs right after the storm moved through. That’s a pretty quick response. Could things have been done better? Absolutely, absolutely. But when I hear people say the federal response was slow, then what are they gonna say to those chopper drivers? Or to the 30,000 that got pulled off the roofs?

Could more have been done federally? Sure. But being prepared is the most important thing in any crisis. Hurricane preparedness and response is almost completely the role of the state government.
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Dilbert_X
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Kind of ridiculous IMO if you're bashing Bush for this.
It was a minor part of the OP.
Really I'm bashing Bush for ignoring the warnings on terrorism, then lecturing Obama like he's a three year old.
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FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Woudn't have been too hard for some-one in Washington to phone the guy
'Hey you know we can't do anything, mobilise the guard, fuel up helicopters etc unless you ask us?'
'Oh really? Fuck, please mobilise the guard, fuel up the helicopters, anything else you can think of?'

Isn't that why you have a whole organisation which does only that? (DIMA?)
Didn't the guy get fired just after?
If I remember correctly, that notice was given to the LA governor.

FEMA assets were mobilized, but were unable to be placed without the LA govt's request for federal assistance...which came too late. By the time Landreau (sp?) actually got off her ass, FEMA was unable to move their prepositioned assets due to hurricane damage. That delayed getting the stuff in.

However, DoD (and USCG) assets (SAR helos and crews) were able to start ops as soon as the weather allowed. And 30-odd thousand people were rescued by that non-existent and too-late federal help.
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