Oh god you can't be serious...Dilbert_X wrote:
You're missing the point, its the jews being persecuted, not me.
And they are failing at figuring it out, they are just behaving like children with their military attacks and blaming anti-semitism all the time.
But, its their problem, they can work it out or cease to exist, up to them really.
Which came first, anti-Semitism, or Jewish actions which would actually be justification for any measure of anti-Semitism? Free hint: it wasn't the Jews behaving like children with their military attacks.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're missing the point, its the jews being persecuted, not me.
And they are failing at figuring it out, they are just behaving like children with their military attacks and blaming anti-semitism all the time.
They are working it our currently. Perhaps you should rephrase to state, "They can work it out so that every pacifist nation who fails to understand the concept of national defense is pleased, or cease to exist", although the second statement is wrong.But, its their problem, they can work it out or cease to exist, up to them really.
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First off, I don't even think you read my post. Noticed how I said SOME people? I'm guessing not. A lot of people DO have deep-seeded anti-semetic feelings, whether it came from birth or was passed down to them from their parents. The latter being more likely.Dilbert_X wrote:
Yes, every human being is naturally born anti-semiticPoseidon wrote:
Oh you've got to be fucking kidding me. There's nothing the Jewish people "do" or have "done" throughout history to warrant what's occured with them. They didn't do anything in Europe in the 30's and 40's to warrant what happened to them, that's for sure. Jews as a people historically have just been hated no matter what they do. It's anti-semitism. It's deep within some people's thoughts. It's not going to stop.
They need to stop playing the anti-semitism card and start working out why non-one wants them around, and haven't for thousands of years now.
If I travelled the world and everywhere I went whoever I met said 'Fuck off Dilbert, we don't want you here, in fact if you stick around we'll probably kill you.'
Ooooh, you must have brought it upon yourself!sergeriver wrote:
I 've been the target of some anti-Semitic comments several times because of my last name, and some of my wife's ancestors died in concentration camps. But I can't support Israel taking revenge with the Palestinians for something that happened during the WW2. Both Hamas and Israel are killing Palestine.
I'm talking about the whole Israel-Palestine conflict, not this war. When you see Palestinians living in apartheid you must think of revenge. I love how everybody condemned South Africa for its apartheid policies, yet nobody condemns the ones carried out by Israel.Poseidon wrote:
Ooooh, you must have brought it upon yourself!sergeriver wrote:
I 've been the target of some anti-Semitic comments several times because of my last name, and some of my wife's ancestors died in concentration camps. But I can't support Israel taking revenge with the Palestinians for something that happened during the WW2. Both Hamas and Israel are killing Palestine.
And where do you get the idea that it's "revenge", exactly? It's retaliation for the past couple of years, not for the holocaust.
I'm asking why, wherever they go, people take a violent dislike to them.Poseidon wrote:
Are you really going to stand there and have the audacity to say that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves? Really?
Because they have money.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm asking why, wherever they go, people take a violent dislike to them.Poseidon wrote:
Are you really going to stand there and have the audacity to say that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves? Really?
Watch your steps carefully Dilbert, you are about to cross the line here ...Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm asking why, wherever they go, people take a violent dislike to them.Poseidon wrote:
Are you really going to stand there and have the audacity to say that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves? Really?
I am not personally anti-semitic, I and my family have many connections with jewish people and families, but the fact is they have been apparently persecuted throughout history by every culture they have come into contact with.
Maybe you can explain it, without using the 'people are anti-semitic for some unknown reason' argument.
Its in everyone's interest to figure it out.
"Copies of the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Hitler's Mein Kampf, Henry Ford's International Jew, and other hateful works, many produced in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, continue to circulate, especially in the Arab world. These and other books perpetuate Jew hate, and harp on the following classic themes:
Jews are all powerful.
Jews are taught to be deceitful, to hate non-Jews and to plot the conquest of the world by the Talmud.
Jews start all the wars, including World War I, World War II, the Iraq War and the French Revolution.
The Jews have hidden plots against Christians, revealed in a "secret" book called the Hesronot Shas, which only Jews are allowed to read.
There is a powerful Jewish conspiracy, the Elders of Zion, that is plotting to take over the world.
Jews bake Matzot or Purim pastries from the blood of Christian children. This medieval accusation appeared in a Saudi Arabian journal not long ago.
"The Jews" are responsible for World War I, World War II, the Russian Revolution and the French Revolution. These accusations recur in various places, including the charter of the Hamas movement.
Jews invented the Holocaust, in order to gain concessions from the world, and in particular, to get a Jewish state.
hmmmm, i didn't know Albert Einstein was a Jew.Famous Jews
Attention Jew Haters. Here are some famous Jews to hate:
Jew: Jesus of Nazareth Jew: Mary, Mother of Jesus Jew: John the Baptist
Jesus of Nazereth
King of the Jews Mary, Jewish
Mother of Jesus Joseph, Jewish
father of Jesus Jew: John
the Baptist
Remember that, Mr. Mel Gibson and Biblebelievers. Since someone wrote and asked if Jesus was really a Jew, we should emphasize indeed he was a Jew, born of a Jewish mother and therefore Jewish by Halachic law even today. This must be true according to Christian belief as well as historically, since Christians believe that Jesus is a descendant of King David.
A few more "evil" Jews in modern times:
Albert Einstein - Famous Jew-Zionist.
Jonas Salk - Inventor of the polio vaccine.
Albert Sabin - Inventor of the oral polio vaccine.
Edwin Land - Inventor of the Polaroid Camera.
Carl Sagan - Astronomer, Author
Norbert Wiener - Invented Cybernetics
Anyway, according to uncle google, everyone has hated the Jews due to jealousy.You have to put the blame for anti-semitism on the Christian church. At some time the church's history they started blaming all Jews for the death of Jesus. And for centuries after that the church promoted that hatred leading to the Holocust. Some how the church forgot that Jesus was a Jew.
You can't be fucking serious. Now it's Jews fault to be persecuted and hated, lol. You are implying it is in your statement.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm asking why, wherever they go, people take a violent dislike to them.Poseidon wrote:
Are you really going to stand there and have the audacity to say that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves? Really?
I am not personally anti-semitic, I and my family have many connections with jewish people and families, but the fact is they have been apparently persecuted throughout history by every culture they have come into contact with.
Maybe you can explain it, without using the 'people are anti-semitic for some unknown reason' argument.
Its in everyone's interest to figure it out.
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I don't remember saying something like that. And i don't think he said such thing..Poseidon wrote:
It's not the anti-semitism card either. It's a reality. Are you really going to stand there and have the audacity to say that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves? Really?
That's fucking rich. That's up there with an Ausch88 kind of statement.
Varegg looks tense as his finger lingers over the ban button!Varegg wrote:
This is a very sensitive issue so choose your words and responces with wisdom ...
He didn't say that. He's asking why the Jews have been persecuted? He has not stated it deserves to happen.sergeriver wrote:
You can't be fucking serious. Now it's Jews fault to be persecuted and hated, lol. You are implying it is in your statement.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm asking why, wherever they go, people take a violent dislike to them.Poseidon wrote:
Are you really going to stand there and have the audacity to say that the Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves? Really?
I am not personally anti-semitic, I and my family have many connections with jewish people and families, but the fact is they have been apparently persecuted throughout history by every culture they have come into contact with.
Maybe you can explain it, without using the 'people are anti-semitic for some unknown reason' argument.
Its in everyone's interest to figure it out.
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You're mixing up 1500's and Roman Empire. The Romans conquered Israel, any Jewish resistance was toppled and many people were crucified. Romans didn't hate the Jewish people, they just needed someone to conquer. You can same the same for Romans towards Greeks and Germans, they didn't hate them, they just want to conquer and enslave them.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
The Roman empire had something against the jews.. why?
It could be because they have a lot of money like another poster said..or jealousy, envy? Or maybe because people need someone to blame for their own failure so you blame the people in power or those who have the money...who knows..
You are right.. my mistake.Cybargs wrote:
You're mixing up 1500's and Roman Empire. The Romans conquered Israel, any Jewish resistance was toppled and many people were crucified. Romans didn't hate the Jewish people, they just needed someone to conquer. You can same the same for Romans towards Greeks and Germans, they didn't hate them, they just want to conquer and enslave them.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
The Roman empire had something against the jews.. why?
It could be because they have a lot of money like another poster said..or jealousy, envy? Or maybe because people need someone to blame for their own failure so you blame the people in power or those who have the money...who knows..
Roman's just didn't like anyone who wasn't Roman.m3thod wrote:
usually if you don't like somone you try to conquer and enslave them. They didn't do it because they could'nt get a game of footy going.
What I want to ask is, why make laws against holocaust denial ? The way i see it, the Holocaust is a fact so let the crazy people say what they want. I understand laws to prevent spreading hate and racism and stuff but having laws somewhat gives legitimacy to these people."Before discussing how Holocaust denial constitutes a conspiracy theory, and how the theory is distinctly American, it is important to understand what is meant by the term "Holocaust denial." Holocaust deniers, or "revisionists," as they call themselves, question all three major points of definition of the Nazi Holocaust. First, they contend that, while mass murders of Jews did occur (although they dispute both the intentionality of such murders as well as the supposed deservedness of these killings), there was no official Nazi policy to murder Jews. Second, and perhaps most prominently, they contend that there were no homicidal gas chambers, particularly at Auschwitz-Birkenau, where mainstream historians believe over 1 million Jews were murdered, primarily in gas chambers. And third, Holocaust deniers contend that the death toll of European Jews during World War II was well below 6 million. Deniers float numbers anywhere between 300,000 and 1.5 million, as a general rule."
or...you're can't read.san4 wrote:
Looks like Dilbert_X finally came out of the closet.
watm3thod wrote:
or...you're can't read.san4 wrote:
Looks like Dilbert_X finally came out of the closet.
tawsan4 wrote:
watm3thod wrote:
or...you can't read.san4 wrote:
Looks like Dilbert_X finally came out of the closet.
I'd call it racism and prejudice.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm asking why, wherever they go, people take a violent dislike to them.
I am not personally anti-semitic, I and my family have many connections with jewish people and families, but the fact is they have been apparently persecuted throughout history by every culture they have come into contact with.
Maybe you can explain it, without using the 'people are anti-semitic for some unknown reason' argument.
Its in everyone's interest to figure it out.
