BF2S Forums War in Gaza Official Thread

nukchebi0 wrote:

I believe I noticed a post somewhere that stated the hatred of the Jews didn't start until the late 1930's. Is Mein Kampf not an indication of how Hitler thought, nor the fact that he can to power by blaming the jews for Germany's economic struggles?

Lateran III decreed that persons who accepted interest on loans could receive neither the sacraments nor Christian burial.[3] Pope Clement V made the belief in the right to usury heresy in 1311, and abolished all secular legislation which allowed it.[4] Pope Sixtus V condemned the practice of charging interest as "detestable to God and man, damned by the sacred canons and contrary to Christian charity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Forget the Muslims, hatred of Jews goes back to the age old reason.  Money.  Christians were forbidden so had to go to The Jews who were exempt.

m3thod wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

I believe I noticed a post somewhere that stated the hatred of the Jews didn't start until the late 1930's. Is Mein Kampf not an indication of how Hitler thought, nor the fact that he can to power by blaming the jews for Germany's economic struggles?

Lateran III decreed that persons who accepted interest on loans could receive neither the sacraments nor Christian burial.[3] Pope Clement V made the belief in the right to usury heresy in 1311, and abolished all secular legislation which allowed it.[4] Pope Sixtus V condemned the practice of charging interest as "detestable to God and man, damned by the sacred canons and contrary to Christian charity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Forget the Muslims, hatred of Jews goes back to the age old reason.  Money.  Christians were forbidden so had to go to The Jews who were exempt.

Yeah i heard about this on a docu that came on tv not too long ago.

EDIT: atg, i am still waiting for a reply to my earlier post.

Last edited by mafia996630 (2009-01-07 17:12:18)

m3thod wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

I believe I noticed a post somewhere that stated the hatred of the Jews didn't start until the late 1930's. Is Mein Kampf not an indication of how Hitler thought, nor the fact that he can to power by blaming the jews for Germany's economic struggles?

Lateran III decreed that persons who accepted interest on loans could receive neither the sacraments nor Christian burial.[3] Pope Clement V made the belief in the right to usury heresy in 1311, and abolished all secular legislation which allowed it.[4] Pope Sixtus V condemned the practice of charging interest as "detestable to God and man, damned by the sacred canons and contrary to Christian charity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Forget the Muslims, hatred of Jews goes back to the age old reason.  Money.  Christians were forbidden so had to go to The Jews who were exempt.

Oh, I knew that. I meant in regards to Germany, which I should have been more specific about.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

In fact they wanted to kill the Jews before there even was an Israel.

Your thinking of the Germans. And even then it was only after Hitler came to power did the hate start.

Read about Mufti al-Husseini.

TSI wrote:

Right then Kmar, you got me on that one with all that evidence. Maybe

I'll concede that the Hamas militants are also at fault here. They should not be anywhere near schools, or any structure with civilians in it. Hiding among civvies is unethical, immoral and, well, evil. You're entirely right about the militants using cover. Again, I don't support Hamas, and I certainly don't agree with their MO. But then again--they launched mortar shells "from near a school". Now, the video showed a school, yes, but I think you missed the title. The video's about an attack on October 29th, 2007. Sorry. The actual one was this one. Their claims about having killed two militants are also bogus, as no Israeli troops came to the scene afterwards. Moreover, the vid about the injured child was dated Dec. 31. Today's January 6th. Are there any other instances of injured going through or supplies coming in?

My intent with posting the video was to demonstrate the lengths these militants will go through. I should not have said "that" school though. The following quoted AP article is the exact school you are referring to. It quotes Palestinian witnesses as saying they saw militants launching shells from just outside the school.. sadly the Israelis missed their mark. Still, that is not the same as deliberately targeting them. Gaza is extremely populated and that is why I expressed my disappointment with the IDF. War is hell, and in this century it's a televised hell. It makes absolutely no sense for Israel to make no attempt to avoid collateral. Even if Israel has no regard for innocent Palestinians they are certainly aware of the fact the entire world is watching. The appearance of at least showing concern is in their best interest. Hitting schools with no strategical value is nonsensical.

Your claim was that Israel is not letting anyone out or any aid in. I just picked one example. That is enough to dispel your claim. I would offer other examples including aid but you've already predetermined the validity of reporting with your selective reasoning. You've openly decided to withhold trust from information that does not fit within your world views. I truly feel you have a fixed mindset, and you have deemed any non conforming source bogus. No offense but if your willing to brush off Palestinian accounts of Hamas launching mortars from civilian locations how can I expect you to accept a neutral source?

TSI wrote:

Now, this 3-hour truce (vive Sarko! ) is all well and good, but will it really help? Israel seems willing to prolong this war, so does Hamas. If Israel is to claim the moral high ground (defence, legitimacy in the face of terrorists), then it needs to take steps to prove that. 3 hours' opening is insufficient. From your article, I quote:

abcnews wrote:

Israeli Cabinet Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer said the humanitarian shipments were intended to be a message to the people of Gaza that they are not Israel's enemy.

I'll take that without any salt. For the time being, though, Israel has allowed no journalists into Gaza. I'm sorry, but I have to withhold my trust in the accuracy of Israel's reports. As most should, I think.

A cease fire yes. But we should also at the same time be paying close attention to what exactly is going in and out. Hamas will undoubtedly be looking to relocate their weapons. As far as the reporter issue, Israel has enough to worry about with civilians on the battlefield. I'm sure the last thing they want on their hands is dead reporters. Still when possible I feel it is imperative that journalist be allowed in. “For the truth to get out, journalists have to get in,”

Should anyone want to protest here are some links.

Free Gaza Now - 1.5 million signatures for 1.5 million humans in Gaza
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/1500000/
AVAAZ.org Gaza: Stop the Bloodshed
http://www.avaaz.org/en/gaza_time_for_p … amp;v=2624
Scientists for Gaza
http://www.petitiononline.com/I75SD92/petition.html
British Committee for Universities for Palestine Gaza Emergency
http://www.bricup.org.uk/
IACenter.org Stop the attack on Gaza
http://www.iacenter.org/gazapetition/
Palestinian petition to PLO Chairman Mahmoud Abbas
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Pale … tures.html
End the Occupation Sign open letter to President-elect Obama
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/form.php?modin=137
Faculty for Israeli-Palestinian Peace Petition on the bombing of the Islamic University in Gaza
http://www.ffipp.org/campus_area
ADALAH Petition to End the Siege on Gaza
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/end … -gaza.html
Suspend EU-Israel Association Agreement
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Suspen … -Agreement

I will be going to the rally here.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

For the last time, was referring to the Jewish persecution within Germany. Lowing somehow thinks there was Muslim collaboration during WW2 like it was a grand conspiracy.

Of course the Jewish people have had it bad for thousands of years. I'm not denying that at all.

"By 1945 the Nazi Islamist agents were openly spreading terror. "The core of anti-Semitism had thus begun to shift from Germany to the Arab world. On the anniversary of the Balfour-declaration, demonstrators rampaged the Jewish quarters of Cairo. They plundered houses and shops, attacked non-Muslims, devastated the synagogues and then set them on fire. Six people were killed, several hundred more were injured." [9]

Al-Husseini, wrote in his post-WWII memoirs, "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours.'" [10]"   TAKEN FROM:    http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/duncan/060815




Contrary to popular belief, I don't write history.

Dilbert_X wrote:

So you've found some Neo-Con website which supports your one-eyed view.
See before, even the jews aren't claiming any of this.

If one particular group of people, who weren't even native to the country, started spouting racial supremacism, genocide and ethnic cleansing most rational nations would close them down or boot them out pronto.
This is what happened with the Zionists in Palestine, Al Husseini was simply attempting to defend his nation as any patriot would.

"Al-Husseini, wrote in his post-WWII memoirs, "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours.'"        "Al Husseini was simply attempting to defend his nation as any patriot would", to say the least.

Look don't trash the site, is the article false or not? You do realize Al Husseini WAS quoted don't you?

Last edited by lowing (2009-01-07 19:16:15)

I don't think anyone here is supporting the rocket attacks san. But the problems we see are in Israel's handling of the attacks.

lowing wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

I don't think anyone here is supporting the rocket attacks san. But the problems we see are in Israel's handling of the attacks.

Yeah, they have the nerve to shoot back

Which does what exactly?

Oh yeah, cause more violence and more retaliation from Hamas. Until all that's left is to invade.

Tell me what is Israel's next move once it occupies all of Gaza?

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

I don't think anyone here is supporting the rocket attacks san. But the problems we see are in Israel's handling of the attacks.

Yeah, they have the nerve to shoot back

Which does what exactly?

Oh yeah, cause more violence and more retaliation from Hamas. Until all that's left is to invade.

Tell me what is Israel's next move once it occupies all of Gaza?

Let's turn it around: Why doesn't Hamas just sit back and not fire rockets to begin with? It's already been shown that if they don't attack Israel, Israel doesn't attack them.

FEOS wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yeah, they have the nerve to shoot back

Which does what exactly?

Oh yeah, cause more violence and more retaliation from Hamas. Until all that's left is to invade.

Tell me what is Israel's next move once it occupies all of Gaza?

Let's turn it around: Why doesn't Hamas just sit back and not fire rockets to begin with? It's already been shown that if they don't attack Israel, Israel doesn't attack them.

How dare you turn this around and hold Palestine responsible for their actions.