BF2S Forums T-72 and T-80 tank is superior to the M1A2 in many things...

Major_Spittle wrote:

Good Point cyborg_ninja-117, while I was in the service (89-99), a lot of fellow tankers felt that Israeli's Merkava was the best tank in the field.  Israeli's designed and built it with battle field knowlege from the 1967 war.  In fact one of the most famous tankers in Military circles was an Israeli that refused to abandon his tank that lost mobility and became a one man crew, loading and gunning on his own (no room to miss)... He got many a kill and held HIS ground until reinforcements arrived.

cyborg_ninja-117 don't take shit from China. 

In Operation Desert Storm, America's Big Cats Owned the Night

Definition of pwnd- Iraqi tankers would flee their tanks because they would all just start exploding.

Sinyukov wrote:

Medic875 wrote:

Sinyukov wrote:

How can you say some stupid shit like that.
20,000,000+ lives have been lost from Soviet Union in WWII so what they don't matter or anything? How can you claim that it was just US that came and destroyed the nazis. As far as I remember reading in books and hearing from people who lived through those times (i.e. my grandmother, grandfather, and my late great grandmothers), by the time US landed for the D-day USSR had already turned the tide and was marching toward Berlin. I personally think that you're comments are offensive to me as a Russian and a great grandson of a Person who went through the entire WWII, Nazi concentration camps and post war imprisonment for allegendly being a traitor. It was not US that won the war, it was not USSR that won the war, It was the world that won that war together. US fought Japan while Europe fought Germany. Later they combined after Japan posed no real threat. Just an FYI.

P.S. By the time US started bombing Germans for the first time, Russians had already turned the tide and were freeing captured cities.

here's a link of the timeline: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t … w2time.htm

One more little edit. Just a thought, but for all of you who actually think US won WWII. The only reason why D-Day or any other onland operation was a success was because Germany was fighting TWO fronts. They were fighting Russia or USSR at that time which was advancing massively with arguably the BEST Medium tanks in that war period T-34/76 and T-34/86s and they were fighting US and Britain on the Western front. Now imagine if USSR fell victim then you guys would have to face Germany in its full might which would not be so easy to Defeat US had three biggest disadvantages in that war. It is a different continent which did not allow imediate resupplies was the first and the second was their armor power (not air power but armor) was weak German SuperTigers would have owned almost anything dished out at them and by the time reinforcements arrived they would have had new tanks waiting. Also Remember the Luftwafe (don't know about the spelling) airpower of Germans? It was the best airforce of WWII and is still considered the defining force of the 20th century. You put this together and Germany was way to powerful for US and Britain to take by themselves which automatically means that US DIDN'T win this war. Plus US was divided fighting to Countries at once. This war was won by All COUTRIES EQUALLY.

Well you got me there!!! 20 Million + Now that is a stat that any country would be proud of stating… except you don’t mention what number of the USSR soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines that died because the government only gave ammo to every other man. Also what about the commissars that shot men for retreating?

As to you being the relative of a “Hero of the Motherland”, you must be the only person alive that had someone from your family to fight in the war. Oops, that’s right I had one or two dozen from my family that fought in the war. Also I am sorry that your Great Grandfather was imprisoned for being a traitor. What was he in favor of? One man on vote. Freedom. Not the curshing boot of Uncle Joe?

I don’t think I stated anything against the USSR in my original post. What I was answering was your and most revisionist idea that the US were bastards for using the bomb. I think that most historians would agree that MILIONS of common folks in Japan would have died as lead catchers for the Emperor.

As to your assertion that the US was the loser of WWII, well I think that any right thinking person will see and know that you are mistaken and will feel pity on you and your communist backed education.

AHHAHAHAHAHA

Another ignorant moron. Lets start from the begining all this bullshit about every other man is very hilarious. Every man was given a rifle back then and every man had ammo. Not a lot I think around 5 or six rounds because there wasn't enough to give more. Now You stated that US won the war for everyone. That is what I was disagreening with I clearly stated that IT WAS NOT JUST US BUT ALL COUNTRIES. And third I NEVER SAID THAT US LOST THE WAR. And last but not least my COMMUNIST BACKED EDUCATION is far more superior then your second grade education so go read some history books before going into a topic which you apperantly have no idea how to answer.

silentsin wrote:

from what i hear, the M1A2 Abrams owns any other tank. in the gulf war M1A2s kicked the shit out of those T-72s. i believe the ratio was about 20 T-72s per one M1A2 Abrams. thats a fucking ratio for you.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

this is like saying a musket is better than an m-16

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

this is like saying a musket is better than an m-16

Last edited by ApacheCobra (2006-03-03 20:21:44)

imortal wrote:

Just a matter of curiousity to all of you tank experts out there.  Where did you pick up your amazing knowledge on tank capabilities and vulnerabilities?  How many of you have experiences with these tanks that goes past video games and staring at stats pages?  How many of you have seen a tank in person instead of on TV?  How many of you have touched one?  Had a tour through one at a fairgrounds show?  Ridden in one at a community event? 

How many of you are tankers?  How many of you have had to rip the treads apart and put them back together in the rain and mud?  How many of you have been on your hands and knees replacing a busted road wheel?  How many of you have boiled the water for your coffee in your engine exhaust?  How many of you truely understand the tankers saying of "Never Get Off the Tank?"

Sorry about a bit of a rant there.  It is justy wearying to have the lot of you ripping and comparing vehicles most of you have never even seen with your own eyes, and actually think you know what you are talking about.

EDIT**  Sorry, had to put thses in here:

TC:  Gunner, SABOT, tank!
G: Identified!
TC: FIRE
G: <BOOM> On The Way!
TC:  Low- Reengage
L:  UP!
G: On The Way!
TC: TARGET!  Cease Fire!

TC:  Gunner, HEAT, PC!
G: SABOT loaded!
TC: FIRE FIRE HEAT
G: On The Way <BOOM>
L: HEAT Loaded!
G: HEAT indexed!
L: UP!
G: On The <BOOM> Way
TC: TARGET!  Cease fire!

And on a lighter note:

"Gunner, Beehive!  Nail em to the trees!"
"Shit fed, beer cooled, automatic humping machines- fuck rats, baby!"
"Load another pointy one, Bubba!"
"Um, fire, yeah, uh, fire, yeah, um, uh, go ahead and fire."

Tanker insider quiz for the M1 series tank:
-What is the difference between LOADED and UP?
-What happens if you index HEAT and fire SABOT?
-What is the Minimum arm range on the 120mm HEAT round (NATO standard?)
-Go to max EL, hit EL uncouple, go to max depress, re-engage EL Uncouple switch.  What happens?
-How many cranks does it take on the Master Blaster?
-Who has the manufacturing contract for the Gunners control yoke?
-Have you EVER loaded the coax ammo box up the the lid and how long did it take you?
-Have you ever done a boom check?
-Have you ever gotten locked in the air filter box?
-Have you ever locked up the brakes while airborne, and what happened then?

I will proudly listen to the opinion of anyone who can ace that quiz!