-101-InvaderZim
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+42|7096|Waikato, Aotearoa
I have read the first couple of pages, and on the subject of piracy my views are somewhat "Grey" as opposed to "Black and White". If a game has huge replayability  (Battlefield series, Fallout Series, Diablo 2 etc etc), or will keep me playing it more than once, then yep Ill buy it (namely cos its a pain in the arse when it comes to updating the latest patches after the game has been cracked.)
For a game that follows a particular linear storyline that doesnt change when you play it a 2nd or 3rd time (Matrix:Path of Neo or Vampire:Bloodlines), then Ill hire the game and crack it. The game doesnt justify the money Ill spend on it (after all when its finished, i know what happens and nothing will change. Items will always be where I found them the 1st time, hence no point in spending $50-100 only to play it once).

On a +ve note, I havent cracked or pirated a game in almost 6 years now. Most of my games have been bought legally.

Last edited by -101-InvaderZim (2008-12-17 03:06:51)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7024|PNW

nukchebi0 wrote:

That's true. But you aren't going to get money from people who have no money, so why aggravate the majority of your paying customers with nagware?
Do you honestly think only poor kids torrent games? You are way misled there, if so. Rich kids have money, yet still torrent. Its not an issue of lack of paying ability (as it seems to be as people mature - I notice that most of the non-broke people here in their 20s pirate less frequently).

On an off-note, I've never had an issue with DRM before. I don't understand how it can be so annoying.
*sigh* People with unsalvageable grudges against the industry aren't going to be a huge source of money either. Aside from that, rich kids have no excuse. If it's crap, they're still not out by much.

Sling more accusations, kthx.

And going back a bit, stealing a car or mugging someone for a purse is nowhere near in the same league as checking out the full version of a game before you put money down on it. I don't rob a Toyota from a dealer and then decide to buy it later. WTF does that video compare the two for?

article wrote:

SecuROM is a rootkit or spyware, or does any harm to performance or system stability; only conjecture and not surprisingly, a lot of misinformation deliberately created by crackers and perpetuated by piracy-related websites

article author wrote:

At worst secuROM can cause your secuROM-protected game to crash.
Yeah, wonderful. So if you're one of the few who are adversely affected by certain CP-ware, you'd be better off with a cracked version. Way to go.

article author wrote:

SecuROM is annoying but nowhere near as potentially damaging as StarForce.
Wee!

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-12-17 03:23:36)

Spidery_Yoda
Member
+399|6522
Poor Starforce. The article makes me think that it didn't deserve its reputation at all.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6646|The Gem Saloon

max wrote:

Parker wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

We've been over this, from a legal viewpoint it isn't stealing.
really?
you might want to let the FBI know, cause they warn me about illegally copying movies every single time i watch one.
Yes we have. Downloading a movie/games/music/... is copyright infringement. Uploading a movie is copyright infringement. Downloading movies is legal in most countries. Uploading is illegal in most countries. Most people would agree that copyright infringement is morally wrong. The law however doesn't care about morals.

Just because the FBI warning thing say that it's stealing, that doesn't make it stealing according to the law.
its cool man.

i understand completely.



when i got popped for selling dope, my lawyer got me out of some shit through legal loopholes...



please, continue stealing....you have convinced me!
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6901

Parker wrote:

max wrote:

Parker wrote:


really?
you might want to let the FBI know, cause they warn me about illegally copying movies every single time i watch one.
Yes we have. Downloading a movie/games/music/... is copyright infringement. Uploading a movie is copyright infringement. Downloading movies is legal in most countries. Uploading is illegal in most countries. Most people would agree that copyright infringement is morally wrong. The law however doesn't care about morals.

Just because the FBI warning thing say that it's stealing, that doesn't make it stealing according to the law.
its cool man.

i understand completely.



when i got popped for selling dope, my lawyer got me out of some shit through legal loopholes...



please, continue stealing....you have convinced me!
Ah yes, because selling dope clearly means you possess far more morals than those of us that 'steal'.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6646|The Gem Saloon

ghettoperson wrote:

Ah yes, because selling dope clearly means you possess far more morals than those of us that 'steal'.
ah yes, its easy to stop justifying your fucked up actions now that you can try to attack mine...



the funny thing is, you cant even admit you are stealing. you have to put it in quotes like i am making up the word or some shit...



thieves parasites and cowards.
thats what it breaks down too.




(and btw, eight years after the fact, i have paid my debt to society and am now a contributing member.....AND, i do it WITHOUT stealing )
Scorpion0x17
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Parker: BY DEFINITION Copyright Infringement IS NOT theft. The article linked to in the OP even points that out.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6646|The Gem Saloon

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Parker: BY DEFINITION Copyright Infringement IS NOT theft. The article linked to in the OP even points that out.
fuck that definition.




if i make something and someone takes it without giving me money, that is called stealing.


i dont care what pretty words you attach to it, you are a fucking thief.


bottom line, end of.
Scorpion0x17
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Parker wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Parker: BY DEFINITION Copyright Infringement IS NOT theft. The article linked to in the OP even points that out.
fuck that definition.




if i make something and someone takes it without giving me money, that is called stealing.


i dont care what pretty words you attach to it, you are a fucking thief.


bottom line, end of.
Yeah, I agree.

I'm just pointing out that, strictly speaking, those that say "Copyright Infringement is not Theft", technically, are correct.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6646|The Gem Saloon

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I'm just pointing out that, strictly speaking, those that say "Copyright Infringement is not Theft", technically, are correct.
i understand.

im just tired of people not calling it what it is.


but this is a hopeless argument.


i just gotta laugh at such a cowardly way to steal things...

im glad you people cant download my knives to "try them out" before i get any money...you would drive me out of business in a week
Scorpion0x17
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+691|7018|Cambridge (UK)

Parker wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I'm just pointing out that, strictly speaking, those that say "Copyright Infringement is not Theft", technically, are correct.
i understand.

im just tired of people not calling it what it is.
Ah, but you are the one doing that.

It's like the difference between Manslaughter and Murder.

Subtle, but, legally, important.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6646|The Gem Saloon

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Parker wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I'm just pointing out that, strictly speaking, those that say "Copyright Infringement is not Theft", technically, are correct.
i understand.

im just tired of people not calling it what it is.
Ah, but you are the one doing that.

It's like the difference between Manslaughter and Murder.

Subtle, but, legally, important.
like i said, fuck that definition.



at the end of the day, calling it whatever anyone wants to call it, it is stealing.

we all know that.
its just some of us dont have the balls to call it what it is...
Spidery_Yoda
Member
+399|6522
I agree, you can call it whatever you like but you're doing nothing but putting people out of a job at the end of the day.

And I agree it is cowardly, even if people don't realise.

Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2008-12-17 12:00:48)

max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6819|NYC / Hamburg

I'm not trying to convert anyone. Copyright infringement is morally wrong and you're an asshole if you do.

I'm a lawyer and these little differences are important to us. Misuse of legal terms piss me off to no end.
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
jord
Member
+2,382|6930|The North, beyond the wall.

max wrote:

I'm not trying to convert anyone. Copyright infringement is morally wrong and you're an asshole if you do.

I'm a lawyer and these little differences are important to us. Misuse of legal terms piss me off to no end.
Quiet before I manslaughter you.
Spidery_Yoda
Member
+399|6522
Haha that actually made me laugh well done.
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6819|NYC / Hamburg

oh shit
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6691|King Of The Islands

max wrote:

I'm a lawyer
/rich mahogany
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6646|The Gem Saloon

max wrote:

I'm a lawyer and these little differences are important to us. Misuse of legal terms piss me off to no end.
so then, you know that even though my felony drug charge got reduced to a misdemeanor littering charge, i still had drugs when i got arrested...



just like finding legal loopholes doesnt change the fact that people are stealing when they pirate software/music/movies.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6405|what

Which countries jurisdiction does it come under when you steal via the internet?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6705|The Twilight Zone

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Which countries jurisdiction does it come under when you steal via the internet?
The one you live in
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Cheez
Herman is a warmaphrodite
+1,027|6691|King Of The Islands

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Which countries jurisdiction does it come under when you steal via the internet?
Yours, if they have a presence in the country. Ours is AFACT.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/w … 65528.html
My state was founded by Batman. Your opinion is invalid.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6405|what

.Sup wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Which countries jurisdiction does it come under when you steal via the internet?
The one you live in
Therein lies the problem. Some countries are very lax when it comes to copyright. Or even aren't that concerned with it. China being a prime example:

http://bf2.com.cn/

And how do you go about prosecuting someone from a different country? It's too hard to police unless it's very explicit what you are doing is illegal and directly prohibited in both country of origin and destination.

Last edited by TheAussieReaper (2008-12-17 16:18:42)

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Scorpion0x17
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+691|7018|Cambridge (UK)

TheAussieReaper wrote:

http://bf2.com.cn/
Pah! Doesn't even have forums.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6705|The Twilight Zone

TheAussieReaper wrote:

.Sup wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Which countries jurisdiction does it come under when you steal via the internet?
The one you live in
Therein lies the problem. Some countries are very lax when it comes to copyright. Or even aren't that concerned with it. China being a prime example:

http://bf2.com.cn/

And how do you go about prosecuting someone from a different country? It's too hard to police unless it's very explicit what you are doing is illegal and directly prohibited in both country of origin and destination.
Holly baloney!
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