Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
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Commencing then with the first of the above named characteristics [liberality], I say that it would be well to be reputed liberal. Nevertheless, liberality exercised in a way that does not bring you reputation for it, injures you; for if one exercises it honestly and as it should be exercised, it may not become known, and you will not avoid the reproach of its opposite. Therefore, anyone wishing to maintain among men the name of liberal is obliged to avoid no attribute of magnificence; so that a prince thus inclined will consume in such acts all his property, ad will be compelled in the end, if he wish to maintain the name of a liberal to unduly weigh down his people, and tax them, and do everything he can to get money. This will soon make him odious to his subjects, and becoming poor he will be little valued by any one; thus, with his liberality, having offended many and rewarded few, he is affected by the very fist trouble and imperilled by whatever may be the first danger; recognizing this himself, and wishing to draw back from it, he runs at once into the reproach of being miserly.
Machiavelli, Niccolo. The Prince. 12. Alfred A. Knopf, 1992.

That makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina
I think you've found the reasoning behind authoritarian government.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6774
The Prince is an essential read.

Machiavelli was a genius.
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7011|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

I think you've found the reasoning behind authoritarian government.
At least the sexy implementation of it.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Flaming_Maniac wrote:

That makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.
You is weird.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I think you've found the reasoning behind authoritarian government.
At least the sexy implementation of it.
I think you're the first person I know who finds ruthless pragmatism sexy. 

Granted, I think we all have a Machiavellian side to us.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7011|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I think you've found the reasoning behind authoritarian government.
At least the sexy implementation of it.
I think you're the first person I know who finds ruthless pragmatism sexy. 

Granted, I think we all have a Machiavellian side to us.
It's so effective.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6709|North Carolina

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


At least the sexy implementation of it.
I think you're the first person I know who finds ruthless pragmatism sexy. 

Granted, I think we all have a Machiavellian side to us.
It's so effective.
Most of the time, yes...  It didn't work out so well for Machiavelli himself though.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7011|67.222.138.85

Turquoise wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


I think you're the first person I know who finds ruthless pragmatism sexy. 

Granted, I think we all have a Machiavellian side to us.
It's so effective.
Most of the time, yes...  It didn't work out so well for Machiavelli himself though.
Machiavelli wasn't a Prince though, he was an analyst. I'm pretty sure he wrote the book as a sort of culmination of his life's wisdom as a gift to the lord he was serving.
Max Fightmaster
Member
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It has been suggested that it was actually a political satire. If it was or not,  his Discourses on Livy are much more representative of his views since it talks about the type of government he would prefer and not that that the prince would.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7011|67.222.138.85
It's not really about what the prince prefers, it's about how to take and hold power. Nothing more.
Max Fightmaster
Member
+2|5936
Well, according to the other parts of his life's wisdom siezing power is a bad idea.

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