DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|6681|Disaster Free Zone
From a Discovery doco I watched the captain gets a 9mm and the only other defence is a high pressure hoses. Also the pirates don't need to climb over the side, there is a boat landing area at the back close to sea level.
TC.Troy
Let the rough side drag
+111|6573

1927 wrote:

Ultrafunkula wrote:

1927 wrote:

Im one step ahead of the skinnies.

How are they going to flog millions of barrels of crude oil or whatever it is?  Take 2 barrels to all the local shell garages and offer them dirt cheap, wink wink, nudge nudge ask no questions.  "Fell off the back of a super tanker".
Ya. But. They have one sneaky skinny aiming at the top if someone tries to remove the rope he'll shoot him or throw stones at him. Terrorists win.
I would lie with my back on the floor and kick the rope back over thwarting there cunning plan, I just hope the hook and rope didnt land on my nuts.  Would rather take a bullet than that.

Hang on a mo, skinnies can't shoot str8 and their boat is bouncing on the waves and they can't throw a grapple that high, they would need a grapple shooter to shoot it.

On a serious note, why wern't the crew armed to help protect themselves (the tanker crew that is)?
Most likely, they arent armed because the corporate powers that be figure that arming the crew will encourage acts such as this.  More suits thinking for the REAL situation without ever having experienced it, or ever having a gun shoved in their face.
Over educated idiots they are...

I say arm the crew to the fucking teeth.  It wont take long for those skinny's to figure they cant do this anymore...not without big losses anyway.
Mount 12.7mm hmg's on the rails etc, and supply an AK or some other assault rifle...one per crew member...teach'em how to use'em...this shit will stop.

Fucking pirates...cowards the lot of'em.

Last edited by TC.Troy (2008-11-18 03:54:58)

bennisboy
Member
+829|6646|Poundland
Was reading the economist the other week, they also managed to hijack a ship full of old russian military hardware!
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|6673|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
I HAVE COPY/PASTED THE FOLLOWING - YOUR MAD IF YOU THINK I READ IT FIRST BUT MIGHT BE USEFUL TO THIS THREAD

April 10, 2005
The M/V Feisty Gas, a liquefied petroleum gas tanker, was seized by Somali pirates. A Hong Kong-based company that owns the vessel reportedly paid $315 000 to a representative of the Somali hijackers in Mombasa, Kenya, according to a recent UN report.

November 5, 2005
The MV Seabourn Spirit, a luxury cruise liner carrying 210 crew members and passengers, was attacked by pirates off the coast of Somalia.
Riding in two small speedboats, the pirates fired at the ship with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, but the crew drove them off with a water hose and a long range acoustic device.

January 16, 2006
Pirates hijacked the India-registered MV Safina al-Birsarat along with its crew of 16 Indians. On January 22, the USS Winston S. Churchill, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, intercepted the vessel. After warning shots were fired, the pirates surrendered and all ten onboard were taken into custody. The ten were transported to Mombasa, Kenya where they were sentenced to seven years in prison by a court.

March 18, 2006
The USS Cape St. George, a Ticonderoga-class cruiser, and the USS Gonzalez, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, engaged pirate vessels after receiving fire from them.

June 1, 2007
The Danish-owned cargo ship the MV Danica White was hijacked and maneuvered into Somali waters. On June 3, the USS Carter Hall, a Harpers Ferry-class landing ship dock engaged the pirates, firing machine-gun bursts at the skiffs in tow behind the Danish ship, but failed to stop them.
Following 83 days in captivity, the crew of five and the ship were released after the owner, H. Folmer & Co, paid a ransom of 1.5 million United States dollars.

October 28, 2007
A Japanese chemical tanker, the MV Golden Nori was hijacked off the coast of Somalia. The destroyer USS Porter, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, sank the skiffs used by the pirates, but they still controlled the tanker. US and German naval vessels shadowed the captured vessel and blockaded from entering the port of Bosaso. Eventually, after demanding a ransom, the pirates freed the ship and its crew of 21 on December 12.

October 29, 2007
Pirates attacked the North Korean cargo the MV Dai Hong Dan, and captured its bridge, while the crew managed to retain control of the steering and engineering spaces. On October 30, the crew regained control of their ship, killing one pirate and capturing six. Three sailors were injured in the fight, and received medical assistance from US Navy medics from the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, the USS James E. Williams.

February 1, 2008
Pirates captured the Danish-owned Russian tugboat the MV Svitzer Korsakov. The ship was held near the town of Eyl in Puntland, until it was released along with its crew of six, on March 18, in exchange for a ransom of 700,000 dollars.

April 4, 2008
The MY Le Ponant was seized in the Gulf of Aden. The French-owned luxury yacht had no passengers on board, but there were 30 crew members: one Cameroonian, six Filipinos, 22 French, and one Ukrainian. The FS Commandant Bouan, a French D'Estienne d'Orves-class aviso, and the HMCS Charlottetown, a Halifax-class frigate, were dispatched to the yacht. On April 12 the crew and the ship were released, apparently after the owner, CMA CGM, paid a ransom. After the crew was released, French soldiers tracked the pirates, who were then on land. According to the French military a sniper in a helicopter disabled the engine of a car transporting the pirates, while another helicopter landed and captured six pirates and recovered some ransom money. On April 13 the six appeared in a French court in Paris and were charged with, among other things, hostage-taking, hijacking, and theft.

April 20, 2008
The FV Playa de Bakio was hijacked about 217 nautical miles (250 mi/400 km) off the Somali coast. The vessel is a Basque, Spanish-registered, tuna fishing boat. According to reports, four pirates seized the vessel and its crew of 26, made up of 13 Africans and 13 Spaniards. The boat was slightly damaged in the attack and was anchored off of southeast Puntland by the hijackers.
The Spanish government dispatched the Álvaro de Bazán-class frigate the SPS Méndez Núñez to the area, and put a team of combat divers on alert, but claimed to be seeking a diplomatic solution. The vessel moved along the coast as local officials sent security forces to chase away the pirates. On April 26 the ship and its crew were freed and the SPS Méndez Núñez escorted the ship to safety. The Spaniards arrived in Spain on April 30 from the Seychelles, where the African members of the crew remained. It is alleged that a 1.2 million-United States dollar ransom was paid, which the Spanish government denies paying. It is possible that the owner of the ship paid a ransom.

April 21, 2008
The MV Al-Khaleej, a United Arab Emirates-flagged cargo ship was seized, along with its 16-member Pakistani crew, by pirates off the coast of Bosaso. The next day, Puntland security forces stormed the ship, capturing seven of the hijackers, killing one, and freeing the ship and its crew. On April 30, a Puntland court sentenced the seven, as well as four collaborators detained after the raid, to life in prison.

May 17, 2008
The MV Victoria, a Jordanian-flagged vessel owned by an Emirati company was hijacked 30 nautical miles (35 mi/56 km) off the Somali coast. The ship was travelling to the Somali capital of Mogadishu and had a crew of 12 from Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, and Tanzania.
On May 23 the ship was released on unspecified terms and continued on its course to Mogadishu, accompanied by Somali soldiers on board.
Also on the 23rd, after the release of the ship, Islamic militants attacked pirates in Hobyo, apparently in response for the hijacking. According to an Islamist leader, four pirates and two militants were killed in the attack and six pirates were captured.

May 24, 2008
The MV Amiya Scan, a Dutch vessel manned by four Russians and five Filipinos was hijacked in the Gulf of Aden. The ship flies the flag of Antigua and Barbuda and is owned by the Dutch company Reider Shipping.
It left the Kenyan port of Mombasa on May 19 and was headed to the Romanian port of Constanţa. The ship was transporting a damaged oil platform.
The vessel was released on June 24 and sailed out of the port of Eyl. Once far enough from the coast, the ship transmitted a mayday signal, as two crew members were ill and the ship had no supplies. The FGS Emden, a German Bremen-class frigate responded to the mayday call with medical aid and supplies. The ship was further aided by a ship that Reider Shipping had contracted to assist it.

June 3, 2008
One of Canada's Sea King helicopters, embarked in HMCS Calgary, intervened in an ongoing piracy attack on a commercial vessel transiting the Gulf of Aden, approximately 65 nautical miles off the coast of Somalia. The Halifax class frigate Calgary, one of three Canadian warships currently assigned to Operation ALTAIR, Canada's maritime contribution to the campaign against terrorism, was operating in the area when a broken call for assistance was heard from a vessel apparently under attack by small arms fire. Calgary immediately altered course and increased speed to close the scene. Her airborne Sea King was promptly redirected towards the area and tasked to gather information on the situation. The helicopter's arrival in the vicinity of the attack did not go unnoticed by the perpetrators. Two small boats, commonly referred to as skiffs, were observed in the area and appeared to be armed. "I am convinced that the presence of our aircraft drove them away from the traffic lanes and prevented any further attack today on merchant shipping in the area," said Commander Kelly Larkin, commanding officer of the multi-purpose frigate. "We continued to monitor those two skiffs and their crew as they were heading back towards Somalia territorial waters."

July 20, 2008
Pirates seize the MV Stella Maris, a Japanese bulk carrier, flying the flag of Panama along with its 21 crew members. The ship was released along with its crew on September 26 after a ransom of US$2 million was paid.

August 8, 2008
The Singaporean cargo ship, the MV Gem of Kilakarai, is attacked by pirates in two vessels who fired grenades at it, but the attack was thwarted by the arrival of helicopters from the USS Peleliu.

August 12, 2008
The MV Thor Star, a Thai cargo ship with a 28-member crew is seized. It was released in October after a ransom was paid.[61] The Nigerian tug boat the MT Yenegoa Ocean is also hijacked.

August 19, 2008
The MV Bunga Melati Dua, a Malaysian palm oil tanker owned by MISC Berhad, and its crew of 29 Malaysians and ten Filipinos is hijacked by pirates. One Filipino crew member is killed during the boarding.

August 21, 2008
The German-owned, Antigua and Barbuda-flagged MV BBC Trinidad is hijacked. It is released on September 11, along with its 13-person crew consisting of a Slovakian captain, ten Filipinos, and two Russians, after a ransom of US$1.1 million is paid.
The MT Irene, a Japanese-owned with a crew of three Croatians and 16 Filipinos is also seized on the same day. It is released around the same time as the MV BBC Trinidad for US$1.5 million. Both were held near the town of Eyl.
The MV Iran Deyanat was also hijacked and brought to Eyl on the same day. The Iranian-owned ship and its crew of 14 Iranians, three Indians, two Filipinos, and 10 Eastern Europeans, possibly Croatian, is being held for ransom. Pirates have suffered health problems including hair loss and even death, suggesting that could be carrying chemical munitions or radioactive materials.

August 25, 2008
The MV Bunga Melati 5, a Malaysian tanker owned by MISC Berhad is captured. The vessel and crew of its 36 Malaysians and five Filipinos is released on September 27 after a ransom of US$2 million is paid.

September 2, 2008
The Carré d'As, a 50-foot yacht, was hijacked and its two occupants, a French couple, were taken captive. The pirates demanded a million euros in ransom, and the liberation of six Somalis captured during the Le Ponant incident. On September 16, French commando frogmen from the Commando Hubert unit, operating from the frigate Courbet, stormed the yacht as it was being taken to Eyl. The two captives were freed, while one pirate was killed and six captured.

September 15, 2008
The Stolt Valor, a cargo vessel carrying 24,000-tonnes of oil products was enroute from Mumbai to Suez when hijacked at 5:12 PM. Its 22-member, mostly Indian crew were taken hostage. The vessel, its contents, and crew were released on 16 November 2008 in return for a reported $2.5 million US following negotiations involving the ships owners, managers, and international maritime bodies.

September 25, 2008
The MV Faina, a Ukrainian-owned, Belize-flagged ship carrying 33 T-72 tanks on delivery to Kenya was seized by pirates.[71] The captain had reported that he had been surrounded by three boats.
The frigate Neustrashimy of Russia's Baltic Fleet and the USS Howard have been dispatched to Somalia's coast.
October 10, 2008 A chemical tanker with a crew of 20, initially reported to be a Greek ship flying under a Panamanian flag, was hijacked in the Gulf of Aden.
Greek authorities did not confirm affiliation with the ship.

October 29, 2008
The Turkish ship MV Yasa Neslihan was hijacked. The vessel with a crew of 20 was carrying iron ore from Canada to China. The ship's owning company, Yasa Holding, was alerted by an on-board alarm system. Turkish authorities are seeking help to rescue the ship, but there has been no contact made with the pirates.

November 11, 2008
A Philippines chemical tanker is hijacked with 23 crew members

November 11, 2008
MV Jag Arnav, 38,265-tonne bulk carrier owned by Mumbai-based Great Eastern Shipping Company, raised an alarm when pirates tried to board the ship. Indian Navy's INS Tabar, which about 25 nautical miles away at the time of the distress call, rushed a HAL Dhruv helicopter carrying a team of MARCOS to the scene and successfully thwarted the hijack attempt. The incident took place 60 nautical miles from Aden.
The Indian Navy also foiled an attempt by pirates to a board MV Timaha, a Saudi Arabia registered cargo ship.

November 11, 2008 The MV Powerful, a Danish-registered cargo ship, was attacked by pirates onboard a dhow.
Russia has claimed that the pirates tried twice to seize the vessel,but they were rebuffed by Russian and British helicopters, though Russian involvement has been disputed by the Royal Navy.
The dhow was later detected by HMS Cumberland, and its unit of Royal Marines was dispatched in rigid-raider craft to try and stop the dhow.
Whilst circling the dhow, the Marines were fired upon by the pirates.
The Marines returned fire, killing two pirates, and forcing the remaining crew to surrender.
The dhow was then boarded and captured by the Marines.
A Yemini male was found onboard, and he later died from his injuries; the British Ministry of Defence reported that it was unsure whether the injuries were caused during the gunfight, or beforehand.

November 12, 2008
The Turkish ship Karagol owned by the Istanbul-based Turkish shipping company YDC Denizcilik A.Ş was hijacked off the coast of Yemen with 14 crew members aboard. Notably the second Turkish vessel to be hijacked in a matter of two weeks, the ship is reported to be carrying 4,500 tons of unspecified chemicals, en route to Mumbai.
Despite no official word on the nationality of the hijackers has been released, the Turkish media response was towards pirates of Somalian identity.

November 14, 2008
The British private security service Anti-Piracy Maritime Security Solutions claimed to have repulsed an attack on an unidentified chemical tanker using water hoses and a magneto-acoustic device.

November 14, 2008
The Chinese fishing vessell Tianyu No. 8 or Tanyo 8 was seized by Somali pirates while fishing off the coast of Kenya.

November 17, 2008 The Liberian-flagged ship Sirius Star owned by the Saudi oil company Aramco, was hijacked 450 nautical miles southeast of Mombasa, Kenya with 25 crew members aboard. The 330-meter (1080 foot) vessel was carrying crude oil valued at US$100 million. This is the farthest Somali pirates have travelled to hijack a ship, and is far south of the "Maritime Security Patrol Area" patrolled by international warships in the Gulf of Aden.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6223|Escea

S.Lythberg wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:


So you'd rather they sail around Africa?
No I'd rather they actually defend themselves. I guess it'll never happen until these Pirates kill a large number of crewmen. Oh well. Sucks to be them but if they're going to go in there without sufficient means to ward off pirates, then that's their problem. Fuck 'em.
You'd have to review the UN's maritime shipping policies, I'm not sure how extensively commercial ships are allowed to arm themselves.
The cargo freighter's my cousin works on (Maersk) only carry sidearms I think.
Ultrafunkula
Hector: Ding, ding, ding, ding...
+1,975|6474|6 6 4 oh, I forget

1927 wrote:

Too long copypasta
That's it. Someone give them free firearms and a one hour crashcourse on how-to-kill-pirates-without-having-remorse. Basically like Mekkie said, it's your own damn fault if you can't defend yourself in a clearly hostile area and yet continue to travel through it.

Or then this is just a conspiracy (hehe. piracy, get it). Ships "getting hijacked" are just delivering more guns and ammo to the militia so they can keep doing their thing on the ground. Has to be.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6223|Escea

You know, capturing a supertanker was probs the worst thing these guys could do. Can't exactly hide one very easily when you've been rumbled. They're going to end up like those who took the freighter full of tanks, whatever actually did happen to those guys.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6621|London, England
Yeah I think there's still a hostage situation/stand off going on. They're surrounded by warships but other than that there's not much going on. All the news outlets have lost interest even though the damn situation hasn't even ended. Funny when you think about it. But I'm just wondering how no progress is being made.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6223|Escea

Mekstizzle wrote:

Yeah I think there's still a hostage situation/stand off going on. They're surrounded by warships but other than that there's not much going on. All the news outlets have lost interest even though the damn situation hasn't even ended. Funny when you think about it. But I'm just wondering how no progress is being made.
I remember when they said if they didn't get their money by a certain day, they'd blow it up, guess they had second thoughts on that one.

GravyDan wrote:

We need some ninjas to get it back.
side note
pirates are like the stray cats of our cat population. prepare the stars!
Bradt3hleader
Care [ ] - Don't care [x]
+121|5936
This is absolutely rediculous. These pirates we're talking about are not ex-Spetznaz. They're poorly trained amatures. It's also so stupid that the crew do not carry firearms. However I don't like the idea of 100 inexperienced crew members carrying loaded weapons around all that gasoline.

Still, why aren't there at least 10-15 guards with AK47s or some kind of weapon to defend themselves. 

Rediculous























Unbalievably rediculous























OMG....
CammRobb
Banned
+1,510|6130|Carnoustie MASSIF
UPDATE:

BBC wrote:

Pirates have anchored a hijacked Saudi oil tanker off the Somali coast, as the spate of hijackings gathered pace with two more ships seized on Tuesday.
Vela International said all 25 crew on the Sirius Star - the biggest tanker ever hijacked - were said to be safe.
The vessel is carrying a cargo of 2m barrels - a quarter of Saudi Arabia's daily output - worth more than $100m.
A cargo ship and a fishing vessel were the latest to join more than 90 vessels attacked by the pirates this year.
A Hong Kong cargo vessel was attacked early on Tuesday morning in the Gulf of Aden, the International Maritime Bureau (IMB) said.
Chinese media said the ship, with a crew of 25, was carrying wheat intended for Iran.
The other vessel, a fishing boat registered in Kiribati, was carrying a crew of 12, the IMB said. Its owners lost contact with it on Tuesday morning.
Full story here.
Brasso
member
+1,549|6630

pndragon26 wrote:

... I can see it now, the US Navy blows up a pirate ship... local news reels confirm it was in fact a family out celebrating a wedding and another reason to hate America is born. Get somebody else to the dirty work you guys have no stomach for.
because pirates celebrate weddings on stolen supertankers

Last edited by haffeysucks (2008-11-18 14:44:54)

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wensleydale8
Member
+81|6769|LEEDS!!!!!, Yorkshire
Why cant we just blockade somalia and stop all there boats from going beyond 10miles from their coast if they do just blow them out the water.
Dear God please let my karma one day reach 100, whether it be tomorrow or 1000 years in the future i want it to happen.
Brasso
member
+1,549|6630

wensleydale8 wrote:

Why cant we just blockade somalia and stop all there boats from going beyond 10miles from their coast if they do just blow them out the water.
because that would be far from diplomatic.

honestly, half of the replies go along the lines of "omg nuke them lul"
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6447|Chicago, IL

M.O.A.B wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:


No I'd rather they actually defend themselves. I guess it'll never happen until these Pirates kill a large number of crewmen. Oh well. Sucks to be them but if they're going to go in there without sufficient means to ward off pirates, then that's their problem. Fuck 'em.
You'd have to review the UN's maritime shipping policies, I'm not sure how extensively commercial ships are allowed to arm themselves.
The cargo freighter's my cousin works on (Maersk) only carry sidearms I think.
There you have it, small caliber sidearms are no match for AK-47s.

That area should be more heavily patrolled.

And the old policy of hanging pirates from the masts of battleships worked wonders back in the day...
wensleydale8
Member
+81|6769|LEEDS!!!!!, Yorkshire

haffeysucks wrote:

wensleydale8 wrote:

Why cant we just blockade somalia and stop all there boats from going beyond 10miles from their coast if they do just blow them out the water.
because that would be far from diplomatic.

honestly, half of the replies go along the lines of "omg nuke them lul"
Well it would be cheaper alternative to AID's shipments to stop thewm starving.
Dear God please let my karma one day reach 100, whether it be tomorrow or 1000 years in the future i want it to happen.
Brasso
member
+1,549|6630

wensleydale8 wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

wensleydale8 wrote:

Why cant we just blockade somalia and stop all there boats from going beyond 10miles from their coast if they do just blow them out the water.
because that would be far from diplomatic.

honestly, half of the replies go along the lines of "omg nuke them lul"
Well it would be cheaper alternative to AID's shipments to stop thewm starving.
i'm sure they have enough of that already
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
JoshP
Banned
+176|5689|Notts, UK

Bradt3hleader wrote:

This is absolutely rediculous. These pirates we're talking about are not ex-Spetznaz. They're poorly trained amatures. It's also so stupid that the crew do not carry firearms. However I don't like the idea of 100 inexperienced crew members carrying loaded weapons around all that gasoline.
It's crude oil. Crude oil does not burn unless it gets really hot, and i mean REALLY hot.

Fairly safe tbh.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6453|The Twilight Zone
Sorry to ask this but what is "crude"? My translator didn't translate it right I believe.
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CammRobb
Banned
+1,510|6130|Carnoustie MASSIF

Wiki wrote:

Fuel oil is classified into six classes, numbered 1 through 6, according to its boiling point, composition and purpose. The boiling point, ranging from 175 to 600 °C, and carbon chain length, 20 to 70 atoms, of the fuel increases with fuel oil number. Viscosity also increases with number, and the heaviest oil has to be heated to get it to flow. Price usually decreases as the fuel number increases.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6762

i guess escort ships seem to slip thru peoples minds.  if i owned that boat, i would have private security all over it.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6223|Escea

usmarine wrote:

i guess escort ships seem to slip thru peoples minds.  if i owned that boat, i would have private security all over it.
Just have to hope the private security guys don't decide to take over it The Siege tbh

But yeah, armed and well trained private sector guys would be a good idea for cargo ships and tankers.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6447|Chicago, IL

usmarine wrote:

i guess escort ships seem to slip thru peoples minds.  if i owned that boat, i would have private security all over it.
There was a guy on campus railing on PMC's all week last week.

Came off like an idiot to me, but there are always people who fail to realize what the world is really like...
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6453|The Twilight Zone
So its oil? What are they going to with it? Sell it to Arabian sheiks?
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