Here's To Hoping... Obama 'To Curb Lobbyists' Reach'

2008-11-11 17:11:33

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Braddock: Agitator; +916|6595|Éire

Obama 'To Curb Lobbyists' Reach'

US President-elect Barack Obama will usher in new rules to restrict the influence of lobbyists on his administration, says a senior official. Transition chief John Podesta said Mr Obama would introduce "the strictest, and most far reaching ethics rules of any transition team in history". He promised the "most open and transparent" transition in history. Various interest groups have been circulating lists and offering recommendations on cabinet-level appointments to the Obama transition team.

Under the new measures, Mr Obama will not allow lobbyists who petition the federal government to do any such work while working with the transition, said Mr Podesta. The guidelines will also prevent anyone who has acted as a lobbyist over the last 12 months from working on any policy area in the transition in which they had been active. He added that anyone who works on the transition and then becomes a lobbyist will be barred from approaching the administration for 12 months in the area in which they worked.

A bit sketchy on the details but I'd like to see him try.

Last edited by Braddock (2008-11-11 17:11:54)

2008-11-11 17:14:46

#2

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7021

I hope and pray also... easier said than done even with the best of intent though... they(govt) are all self serving dirtbags imo...

Love is the answer

2008-11-11 17:21:30

#3

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6595|Éire

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
I hope and pray also... easier said than done even with the best of intent though... they(govt) are all self serving dirtbags imo...

I wouldn't hold out much hope either. This is the honeymoon period I suppose... usually the time in which a nation's hopes are built up on empty promises only to be crushed by cruel reality over a 4 to 8 year period.

2008-11-11 17:24:50

#4

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,984|6936|949

Proposed +$25 Billion bailout of the Auto Industry - nope, sure not pandering to lobbyists

2008-11-11 17:24:52

#5

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6457|what

Well he isn't in the lobbyists pockets, which is a good thing. They may have still donated to his campaign, but it certainly wasn't as influential as it might have been for anyone else.

Whether the policy is extended past a year will be interesting.

2008-11-11 17:25:56

#6

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Earmark man.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-11-11 19:20:57

#7

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6715|'Murka

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Proposed +$25 Billion bailout of the Auto Industry - nope, sure not pandering to lobbyists

Or maybe looking to save roughly 2 million jobs. And roughly $100 billion dollars.

Maybe.

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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-11 19:22:53

#8

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7011|67.222.138.85

If he's the next Chester A. Arthur in this respect, awesome. Frankly I'm skeptical that anyone can do it this day in age. Might not even be the best thing for the country to be that ethical this day in age.

2008-11-12 00:39:36

#9

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6410|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
Or maybe looking to save roughly 2 million jobs. And roughly $100 billion dollars.

There goes your free market. Still, thats socialism for ya, evil socialists trying to keep people in work and paying taxes.

Fuck Israel

2008-11-12 01:11:03

#10

HollisHurlbut: Member; +51|6302

Dilbert_X wrote:
There goes your free market. Still, thats socialism for ya, evil socialists trying to keep people in work and paying taxes.

...by putting me on the hook for bailing out private enterprises that made bad decisions.

Oh yeah, gimme more of that no-reward risk taking, baby!

WOOO, SOCIALISM!

2008-11-12 01:22:29

#11

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6925|London, England

Braddock wrote:
Obama 'To Curb Lobbyists' Reach'

US President-elect Barack Obama will usher in new rules to restrict the influence of lobbyists on his administration, says a senior official. Transition chief John Podesta said Mr Obama would introduce "the strictest, and most far reaching ethics rules of any transition team in history". He promised the "most open and transparent" transition in history. Various interest groups have been circulating lists and offering recommendations on cabinet-level appointments to the Obama transition team.

Under the new measures, Mr Obama will not allow lobbyists who petition the federal government to do any such work while working with the transition, said Mr Podesta. The guidelines will also prevent anyone who has acted as a lobbyist over the last 12 months from working on any policy area in the transition in which they had been active. He added that anyone who works on the transition and then becomes a lobbyist will be barred from approaching the administration for 12 months in the area in which they worked.

A bit sketchy on the details but I'd like to see him try.

lol, lol & lol

I'll even bet some lobbyists made him say that.

2008-11-12 02:45:07

#12

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6715|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
FEOS wrote:
Or maybe looking to save roughly 2 million jobs. And roughly $100 billion dollars.
There goes your free market. Still, thats socialism for ya, evil socialists trying to keep people in work and paying taxes.

That is assuming that the government would keep its share of the corporations. These are LOANS. LOANS get paid back. Once the LOAN is paid back, the government has no say in anything the entity that received the loan does.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-12 04:02:21

#13

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6410|eXtreme to the maX

FEOS wrote:
These are LOANS. LOANS get paid back.

LOL
Ford and GM will go bust just the same. They've been heading down the gurgler for a while now.
Without a total management change they're doomed.

Fuck Israel

2008-11-12 05:44:14

#14

PureFodder: Member; +225|6590

I doubt the lobbyists will be going anywhere soon.

2008-11-12 18:21:52

#15

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6715|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:
LOL
Ford and GM will go bust just the same. They've been heading down the gurgler for a while now.
Without a total management change they're doomed.

Looks like you've just identified one of the entering criteria for the loans.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-13 18:52:24

#16

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6709|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Proposed +$25 Billion bailout of the Auto Industry - nope, sure not pandering to lobbyists
Or maybe looking to save roughly 2 million jobs. And roughly $100 billion dollars.

Maybe.

The long term costs of bailing out GM and Ford would greatly outweigh any of the more immediate benefits.

Even though these are loans, they are no interest loans (so far as I've read), so this means that they are ultimately loans made at a loss for the American people. Even if they did incur the appropriate amount of interest, they would still mark an unhealthy reliance on government handouts.

I always find it funny how some people are ok with bailing out big corporations but complain about welfare. Regular welfare is relatively cheap when compared to corporate welfare (when looking at per capita amounts). It doesn't cost much to keep someone alive. It costs a shitload to get a failed company back on its feet, and half of the time, these bailouts don't even really work.

GM and Ford are simply nowhere near as savvy at management as Toyota, Honda, and BMW are.

2008-11-13 19:09:10

#17

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6715|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:
FEOS wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Proposed +$25 Billion bailout of the Auto Industry - nope, sure not pandering to lobbyists
Or maybe looking to save roughly 2 million jobs. And roughly $100 billion dollars.

Maybe.
The long term costs of bailing out GM and Ford would greatly outweigh any of the more immediate benefits.

Even though these are loans, they are no interest loans (so far as I've read), so this means that they are ultimately loans made at a loss for the American people. Even if they did incur the appropriate amount of interest, they would still mark an unhealthy reliance on government handouts.

I always find it funny how some people are ok with bailing out big corporations but complain about welfare. Regular welfare is relatively cheap when compared to corporate welfare (when looking at per capita amounts). It doesn't cost much to keep someone alive. It costs a shitload to get a failed company back on its feet, and half of the time, these bailouts don't even really work.

GM and Ford are simply nowhere near as savvy at management as Toyota, Honda, and BMW are.

How much would it cost the welfare system to pay those 2 million people their current salaries and benefits as well as contribute to the overall economy (taxes on revenues)?

The math simply doesn't work in your favor, Turq.

Loan out $75B now and keep those 2 million jobs (and associated immediate and long-term tax revenue) and taxes on corporate income...or keep that $75B and lose those 2 million jobs (and related long-term tax revenue) and $175B in corporate tax revenue.

It's a hell of a lot easier to replace the management than it is to replace (or absorb the loss of) the company as a whole.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-13 20:09:40

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imortal: Member; +240|6969|Austin, TX

TheAussieReaper wrote:
Well he isn't in the lobbyists pockets, which is a good thing. They may have still donated to his campaign, but it certainly wasn't as influential as it might have been for anyone else.

Whether the policy is extended past a year will be interesting.

This is commonly known as "wishful thinking."

2008-11-13 21:31:41

#19

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6853|San Diego, CA, USA

Seems to me that lobbyists are using money they lobbied to lobby more money (ala A.I.G.).

2008-11-14 12:02:31

#20

NgoDamWei: Member; +7|5968|Western North Carolina

"Well he isn't in the lobbyists pockets, ..."

Sez who ? Is that a statement of absolute fact or is it mere altruistic supposition that he isn't just another fragment of lint ?

The only change Oreo will make, and it certainly won't be in the length of "reach", is that of whom may be reaching.

"A new broom sweeps clean ?" Only until the next black blizzard which may then require a shovel.

2008-11-14 16:10:41

#21

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6715|'Murka

His transition team is being run by the biggest contributors...that doesn't sound too "curby", now does it?

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-14 17:20:52

#22

NgoDamWei: Member; +7|5968|Western North Carolina

"... that doesn't sound too "curby", now does it?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … rss_nation

2008-11-15 09:36:42

#23

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6715|'Murka

but but but but but...CHANGE!

HOPE!

CHANGE!

or not.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-11-15 13:15:40

#24

NgoDamWei: Member; +7|5968|Western North Carolina

"but but but but but...CHANGE!"

The only change are the faces that profess change, certainly not the rhetoric of hope proliferated to the masses in vast quantities. Some may even believe them ...

or not.

2008-11-15 13:25:35

#25

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6715|'Murka

Chhhhaaaaannnnnggggeeeee!

https://guntotingliberal.com/images/Dean%20Scream%20And%20Barack%20Obama%20Scream.jpg

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

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