BF2S Forums Would he still have the support of the international community?

the only reasons Obama got into Senate in the first place is thx to Jack Ryan lolz otherwise there would be no Obama, but yea who knows things not looking good already here in Chicago lolz, some African American people(or few guys) were out celebrating and hollering Obama Obama after he won and I guess some white people jumped them or something this was on the cltv news today.

Last edited by blademaster (2008-11-08 02:20:52)

I don't think so, it was a rejection of the Republican party as much as it was a win for Obama.

Spark wrote:

The outside enthusiasm was because (let's face it) he's African-American.

Actually I don't think anyone much gives a toss.
The racists probably do, on both sides, but they're a small minority.

Apart from that he's a big step away from the failed project which was Neo-con Republicanism, and anyone representing change from the incumbent is always appealing.

Following the media here Obama's colour has barely been an issue, he could have been Vietnamese-American, Chinese-American, even Irish-American, who gives a crap really.

What I'm dreading now is the PC quest for the 'British Obama' which already seems to have started.......

Thats what you get when you have a candidate too old to be his own man, and who agreed with the previous admin 90% of the time, and a VP too inexperienced to run the show by herself.

Still, it was much closer than many predicted.

That descriptor would inevitably have been used, but if you'd found a candidate who really was a 'maverick', which McCain wasn't, and who was young and strong enough to stand up for themselves, you might have had chance.

Spark wrote:

Quite possibly on the international community. The outside enthusiasm was because (let's face it) he's African-American.

Would he have won, most likely not. The black vote as in the end not paticularly significant - more significant was the fact he wasn't a repub. A lot of people were saying the real presidential elections finished in August (end of dem primaries)

I disagree. I think the international enthusiasm was because he appears to have a brain. Something US presidents, barring Clinton, have lacked over the past few decades.

He is also charismatic which helps.

I think he would've won as a Republican candidate, though I think voter turnout would've been lower.

Bertster7 wrote:

Spark wrote:

Quite possibly on the international community. The outside enthusiasm was because (let's face it) he's African-American.

Would he have won, most likely not. The black vote as in the end not paticularly significant - more significant was the fact he wasn't a repub. A lot of people were saying the real presidential elections finished in August (end of dem primaries)

I disagree. I think the international enthusiasm was because he appears to have a brain. Something US presidents, barring Clinton, have lacked over the past few decades.

He is also charismatic which helps.

I think he would've won as a Republican candidate, though I think voter turnout would've been lower.

Really? Bush SR didn't have a brain? He might have been the most qualified president ever.

Bertster7 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

I disagree. I think the international enthusiasm was because he appears to have a brain. Something US presidents, barring Clinton, have lacked over the past few decades.

He is also charismatic which helps.

I think he would've won as a Republican candidate, though I think voter turnout would've been lower.

Really? Bush SR didn't have a brain? He might have been the most qualified president ever.

Dynastic Presidents FTL. Everything was handed to him on a plate. I see no evidence that Bush SR was particularly clever. His public speaking certainly isn't/wasn't up to much. His political achievements are not the result of his hard work or brightness, but because his dad was a senator.

Member of the United States House of Representatives from Texas's 7th congressional district
10th United States Ambassador to the United Nations
Chief of the U.S. Liaison Office to the People's Republic of China
11th Director of Central Intelligence
43rd Vice President of the United States

Just all handed to him though... no brains whatsoever.

Gj Bert, you've sunk to a new level of absurdity.

Bertster7 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Dynastic Presidents FTL. Everything was handed to him on a plate. I see no evidence that Bush SR was particularly clever. His public speaking certainly isn't/wasn't up to much. His political achievements are not the result of his hard work or brightness, but because his dad was a senator.

Member of the United States House of Representatives from Texas's 7th congressional district
10th United States Ambassador to the United Nations
Chief of the U.S. Liaison Office to the People's Republic of China
11th Director of Central Intelligence
43rd Vice President of the United States

Just all handed to him though... no brains whatsoever.

Gj Bert, you've sunk to a new level of absurdity.

His dad was a Senator. Making it about a bazillion times easier for him to get all those government jobs. I stand by my statement that everything was handed to him on a plate - much like for his son. How is that absurd?

For one GWB didn't have anywhere near the experience of his father. We've got lots of senators with sons Berty. No brains? .. yea that was absurd.

Bertster7 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

His dad was a Senator. Making it about a bazillion times easier for him to get all those government jobs. I stand by my statement that everything was handed to him on a plate - much like for his son. How is that absurd?

For one GWB didn't have anywhere near the experience of his father. We've got lots of senators with sons Berty. No brains? .. yea that was absurd.

I'm not talking about experience. I'm talking about brains. Neither of the Bush's have impressed me. Whereas Clinton - the son of a car salesman who became a Rhodes scholar and then went on to become President - that really does suggest he had brains.

All of that experience couldn't have contributed to Sr's "brains"? He knew enough to leave Iraq didn't he?  His son Jeb is very intelligent as well. I wouldn't expect an objective opinion from anyone outside of the US on a topic that involved the word Bush though. That should have been obvious to me.

Kmarion wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

For one GWB didn't have anywhere near the experience of his father. We've got lots of senators with sons Berty. No brains? .. yea that was absurd.

I'm not talking about experience. I'm talking about brains. Neither of the Bush's have impressed me. Whereas Clinton - the son of a car salesman who became a Rhodes scholar and then went on to become President - that really does suggest he had brains.

All of that experience couldn't have contributed to Sr's "brains"? He knew enough to leave Iraq didn't he?  His son Jeb is very intelligent as well. I wouldn't expect an objective opinion from anyone outside of the US on a topic that involved the word Bush though. That should have been obvious to me.

Brains are not determined by experience and so it does not contribute to them. I'm not saying Bush Sr was stupid, just that he didn't exhibit any signs of being particularly intelligent. There is nothing to suggest he was very clever.

In the cases of Clinton and Obama there is.

Kmarion wrote:

Leaving Iraq was intelligent. .. well more so.

It was the right thing to do.

I would consider that a pretty obvious decision though. There is nothing in Bush Sr's personal or political life that suggests to me he was a particularly clever person. So I, like most people, judge him on his public speaking. If you can present anything that does seriously suggest that he was very clever then I am eager to hear it.