Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


There is no lower scum than those would steal the innocence of a child. If we can not protect them then there is no hope for us. Most people I know would rather die (be murdered) than let something happen to a love one.
Good points...  but you can't protect them...  or at least you can't protect them all.  In fact, most child abuse is done by immediate family members, not strangers.

We hurt the ones we love....  quite literally.
Abuse or molestation? .. cause I was under the impression that was mostly done by Catholic Priest.
I was including molestation under the general term of abuse.  Most sexual abuse is done by family members of the victim.  Random acts of violence are actually somewhat rare compared to violence between people closely related or those who know each other well.

Familiarity breeds contempt in so many ways....
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Good points...  but you can't protect them...  or at least you can't protect them all.  In fact, most child abuse is done by immediate family members, not strangers.

We hurt the ones we love....  quite literally.
Abuse or molestation? .. cause I was under the impression that was mostly done by Catholic Priest.
I was including molestation under the general term of abuse.  Most sexual abuse is done by family members of the victim.  Random acts of violence are actually somewhat rare compared to violence between people closely related or those who know each other well.

Familiarity breeds contempt in so many ways....
I'll have to see some hard facts to believe that. Good luck finding them, the victims name is usually not released if they are minors. Sexual predators outside of the family are not a rare occurrence. If it were there wouldn't be a need for you to be here protecting the feelings of the convicted.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Abuse or molestation? .. cause I was under the impression that was mostly done by Catholic Priest.
I was including molestation under the general term of abuse.  Most sexual abuse is done by family members of the victim.  Random acts of violence are actually somewhat rare compared to violence between people closely related or those who know each other well.

Familiarity breeds contempt in so many ways....
I'll have to see some hard facts to believe that. Good luck finding them, the victims name is usually not released if they are minors. Sexual predators outside of the family are not a rare occurrence. If it were there wouldn't be a need for you to be here protecting the feelings of the convicted.
You weren't lying when you said you were in a pissy mood.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6457|what

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I was including molestation under the general term of abuse.  Most sexual abuse is done by family members of the victim.  Random acts of violence are actually somewhat rare compared to violence between people closely related or those who know each other well.

Familiarity breeds contempt in so many ways....
I'll have to see some hard facts to believe that. Good luck finding them, the victims name is usually not released if they are minors. Sexual predators outside of the family are not a rare occurrence. If it were there wouldn't be a need for you to be here protecting the feelings of the convicted.
Your actually both correct. lol

It's the "repeat" sexual offenders who usually are close to if not part of the family, because they are so trusted. And then able to exploit that trust. But again, finding the actual statistics is difficult.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I was including molestation under the general term of abuse.  Most sexual abuse is done by family members of the victim.  Random acts of violence are actually somewhat rare compared to violence between people closely related or those who know each other well.

Familiarity breeds contempt in so many ways....
I'll have to see some hard facts to believe that. Good luck finding them, the victims name is usually not released if they are minors. Sexual predators outside of the family are not a rare occurrence. If it were there wouldn't be a need for you to be here protecting the feelings of the convicted.
You weren't lying when you said you were in a pissy mood.
lol.. am I lying? You are worried about the emotional impact on sexual predators. I just dug it in a little bit that time.

We good Brian We good.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I'll have to see some hard facts to believe that. Good luck finding them, the victims name is usually not released if they are minors. Sexual predators outside of the family are not a rare occurrence. If it were there wouldn't be a need for you to be here protecting the feelings of the convicted.
You weren't lying when you said you were in a pissy mood.
lol.. am I lying? You are worried about the emotional impact on sexual predators. I just dug it in a little bit that time.. We good Brian We good.
You don't get it, do you?...   This isn't about anyone's feelings...  I really don't give a shit about most people's feelings, criminal or otherwise.  I figured I made that clear in other threads.

I support rehabilitation because it's practical.  What good comes out of imprisoning someone and then releasing them into an environment where there is little to no motivation for changing your ways?  It's like waiting for someone to repeat the crime they got busted for.

See, I care about protecting the innocent just the same as you, but I look at it differently.  I acknowledge that really horrible shit happens on a daily basis throughout this insignificant speck of dirt we call a planet.  We really are our own worst enemy in how we abuse and kill each other.  But the only way to really change people's behavior is to make it in their best interests to change.  There's currently not much incentive for that.

If you've been convicted of a felony, sexual or otherwise, you really don't have many options once you leave prison.  Not many people will hire you, and if you're on the sex offender registry, housing becomes tricky.  These things concern me not because of the feelings involved but rather, the repercussions involved.

If the best legit job you can get due to a prior criminal record is at McDonald's, then chances are, you'll be tempted to go the much more profitable route of selling drugs.  That's kind of a disturbing thought when you consider how many felons are walking the streets right now -- let alone the fact that the hamburger you just ordered might be made by one of them.

The sex offender list just complicates things further with the added stigma involved.  So no, it's not about feelings -- it's about wondering what the fuck these people are going to do with their limited options.  If you box someone into a corner, they often snap.  Snapping in this case involves things like raping children.

So again...  if rehabilitation isn't possible and self-control isn't likely....  then death really should be the only punishment dealt for heinous sex crimes, but it's not.  Why?  Because our system isn't logical.  Our laws aren't either.  We have a justice system based on revenge, not actual justice.

But that's ok...   because we know that sex crimes will always happen.  We know that a certain percentage of children will suffer no matter what precautions we take.  So after a while, it just becomes damage control, while we wonder why repeat offenses occur.

It's not going to change, and maybe...  it's just a twisted version of Darwinism.

"I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger."
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6853|San Diego, CA, USA

rdx-fx wrote:

I saw it as usmarine implying that 90%+ of black voters voting for Obama really didn't help the McCain campaign..  In his usual manner of one-liner-guaranteed-to-piss-someone-off.

He's been highly decorated for such actions
89% of Muslims voted for Obama, btw.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

rdx-fx wrote:

NgoDamWei wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Always insightful.
Perhaps: "in 'citeful'" ?  Certainly a disturbing attitude, thankfully he was never in our bunker.

Certainly undeserving to bear a tag of "usmarine" and even worse to add "Carry the Flag" but I'm a Caucasian Viet Nam vet.  What do I know ?

Additionally, for a previous poster:  substitute 'exacerbate' for exasperate
I saw it as usmarine implying that 90%+ of black voters voting for Obama really didn't help the McCain campaign..  In his usual manner of one-liner-guaranteed-to-piss-someone-off.

He's been highly decorated for such actions
srs bsns lulz
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6976|UK

Harmor wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

I saw it as usmarine implying that 90%+ of black voters voting for Obama really didn't help the McCain campaign..  In his usual manner of one-liner-guaranteed-to-piss-someone-off.

He's been highly decorated for such actions
89% of Muslims voted for Obama, btw.
big fucking deal.  This is the guy who doesnt want his all star pub team to wear green because it the colour of islam.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

You weren't lying when you said you were in a pissy mood.
lol.. am I lying? You are worried about the emotional impact on sexual predators. I just dug it in a little bit that time.. We good Brian We good.
You don't get it, do you?...   This isn't about anyone's feelings...  I really don't give a shit about most people's feelings, criminal or otherwise.  I figured I made that clear in other threads.

I support rehabilitation because it's practical.  What good comes out of imprisoning someone and then releasing them into an environment where there is little to no motivation for changing your ways?  It's like waiting for someone to repeat the crime they got busted for.

See, I care about protecting the innocent just the same as you, but I look at it differently.  I acknowledge that really horrible shit happens on a daily basis throughout this insignificant speck of dirt we call a planet.  We really are our own worst enemy in how we abuse and kill each other.  But the only way to really change people's behavior is to make it in their best interests to change.  There's currently not much incentive for that.

If you've been convicted of a felony, sexual or otherwise, you really don't have many options once you leave prison.  Not many people will hire you, and if you're on the sex offender registry, housing becomes tricky.  These things concern me not because of the feelings involved but rather, the repercussions involved.

If the best legit job you can get due to a prior criminal record is at McDonald's, then chances are, you'll be tempted to go the much more profitable route of selling drugs.  That's kind of a disturbing thought when you consider how many felons are walking the streets right now -- let alone the fact that the hamburger you just ordered might be made by one of them.

The sex offender list just complicates things further with the added stigma involved.  So no, it's not about feelings -- it's about wondering what the fuck these people are going to do with their limited options.  If you box someone into a corner, they often snap.  Snapping in this case involves things like raping children.

So again...  if rehabilitation isn't possible and self-control isn't likely....  then death really should be the only punishment dealt for heinous sex crimes, but it's not.  Why?  Because our system isn't logical.  Our laws aren't either.  We have a justice system based on revenge, not actual justice.

But that's ok...   because we know that sex crimes will always happen.  We know that a certain percentage of children will suffer no matter what precautions we take.  So after a while, it just becomes damage control, while we wonder why repeat offenses occur.

It's not going to change, and maybe...  it's just a twisted version of Darwinism.

"I believe whatever doesn't kill you simply makes you... stranger."
Your argument is based around the cook in the movie Heat .

I know exactly what you are trying to say. You are afraid that the criminals will feel shunned and because of this will in turn repeat their sexual escapades with the innocent. Why else would they interject a sex crime when dealing with an economic problem? You are purposely intermingling all felons in order to blur the line between them and sexual predators. That's not going to work with me. As far as I know we don't pass out a list for any other crime. There is a very valid reason for this.

Limited options? As in don't expect many trick r treaters at your house? Give me a fucking break. Will it be harder for them? Sure.. but that is a condition of their parole. Might it make it harder to get a job? It could.  But it's illogical to think that a person with an financial problem will retaliate by molesting kids. AND even if this does make sense in "imagination land" then that person should have never been released. We can't afford to have people in society who take out their frustration by abusing children. Those people are in fact incapable of correction. So yes, it's either the list or never. I'm sorry to say but their rehabilitation comes second to social normality. You're hiding behind the pretentious belief that these people only rape, molest, and fondle children because their name is on some list. I'm betting most psychologist will disagree with you.

It's not about revenge. Believe me if it were I'd tell you what should really be done with these creeps. It's about trying to prevent another child from being hurt. Something you fail to see. If you hurt children your life will forever be limited.. period.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

Your argument is based around the cook in the movie Heat .

I know exactly what you are trying to say. You are afraid that the criminals will feel shunned and because of this will in turn repeat their sexual escapades with the innocent. Why else would they interject a sex crime when dealing with an economic problem? You are purposely intermingling all felons in order to blur the line between them and sexual predators. That's not going to work with me. As far as I know we don't pass out a list for any other crime. There is a very valid reason for this.

Limited options? As in don't expect many trick r treaters at your house? Give me a fucking break. Will it be harder for them? Sure.. but that is a condition of their parole. Might it make it harder to get a job? It could.  But it's illogical to think that a person with an financial problem will retaliate by molesting kids. AND even if this does make sense in "imagination land" then that person should have never been released. We can't afford to have people in society who take out their frustration by abusing children. Those people are in fact incapable of correction. So yes, it's either the list or never. I'm sorry to say but their rehabilitation comes second to social normality. You're hiding behind the pretentious belief that these people only rape, molest, and fondle children because their name is on some list. I'm betting most psychologist will disagree with you.

It's not about revenge. Believe me if it were I'd tell you what should really be done with these creeps. It's about trying to prevent another child from being hurt. Something you fail to see. If you hurt children your life will forever be limited.. period.
Just kill the fuckers then.  When we release them back into society, it's like waiting for another disaster to happen.  That was my main complaint, but you spent most of your fucking response focused on intentionally misinterpreting my response.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

m3thod wrote:

Harmor wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

I saw it as usmarine implying that 90%+ of black voters voting for Obama really didn't help the McCain campaign..  In his usual manner of one-liner-guaranteed-to-piss-someone-off.

He's been highly decorated for such actions
89% of Muslims voted for Obama, btw.
big fucking deal.  This is the guy who doesnt want his all star pub team to wear green because it the colour of islam.
He also appointed the son of a Zionist terrorist to his Chief of Staff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

Israel owns this fucking country.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6905|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Your argument is based around the cook in the movie Heat .

I know exactly what you are trying to say. You are afraid that the criminals will feel shunned and because of this will in turn repeat their sexual escapades with the innocent. Why else would they interject a sex crime when dealing with an economic problem? You are purposely intermingling all felons in order to blur the line between them and sexual predators. That's not going to work with me. As far as I know we don't pass out a list for any other crime. There is a very valid reason for this.

Limited options? As in don't expect many trick r treaters at your house? Give me a fucking break. Will it be harder for them? Sure.. but that is a condition of their parole. Might it make it harder to get a job? It could.  But it's illogical to think that a person with an financial problem will retaliate by molesting kids. AND even if this does make sense in "imagination land" then that person should have never been released. We can't afford to have people in society who take out their frustration by abusing children. Those people are in fact incapable of correction. So yes, it's either the list or never. I'm sorry to say but their rehabilitation comes second to social normality. You're hiding behind the pretentious belief that these people only rape, molest, and fondle children because their name is on some list. I'm betting most psychologist will disagree with you.

It's not about revenge. Believe me if it were I'd tell you what should really be done with these creeps. It's about trying to prevent another child from being hurt. Something you fail to see. If you hurt children your life will forever be limited.. period.
Just kill the fuckers then.  When we release them back into society, it's like waiting for another disaster to happen.  That was my main complaint, but you spent most of your fucking response focused on intentionally misinterpreting my response.
I knew exactly what you were saying from the start. I've heard the ostracize debate many times before. I agree with you except when it comes to sexual predators. There is a special need for awareness. That is all.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

Kmarion wrote:

I knew exactly what you were saying from the start. I've heard the ostracize debate many times before. I agree with you except when it comes to sexual predators. There is a special need for awareness. That is all.
Well, I guess this means we need to extend the death penalty to sex offenders, but I doubt that's going to happen.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Harmor wrote:


89% of Muslims voted for Obama, btw.
big fucking deal.  This is the guy who doesnt want his all star pub team to wear green because it the colour of islam.
He also appointed the son of a Zionist terrorist to his Chief of Staff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

Israel owns this fucking country.
Please tell me you're just being sarcastic.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

m3thod wrote:


big fucking deal.  This is the guy who doesnt want his all star pub team to wear green because it the colour of islam.
He also appointed the son of a Zionist terrorist to his Chief of Staff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

Israel owns this fucking country.
Please tell me you're just being sarcastic.
Why else would we support a country hated by most of the world for its aggression?  Why else would we arm them to the teeth, oftentimes free of charge?

Israel is our pawn, and we are theirs.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


He also appointed the son of a Zionist terrorist to his Chief of Staff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

Israel owns this fucking country.
Please tell me you're just being sarcastic.
Why else would we support a country hated by most of the world for its aggression?  Why else would we arm them to the teeth, oftentimes free of charge?

Israel is our pawn, and we are theirs.
It is in our national interests for Israel to be there. It's in theirs, too. What you describe as a "pawn" relationship would be described by a biologist as symbiotic.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Please tell me you're just being sarcastic.
Why else would we support a country hated by most of the world for its aggression?  Why else would we arm them to the teeth, oftentimes free of charge?

Israel is our pawn, and we are theirs.
It is in our national interests for Israel to be there. It's in theirs, too. What you describe as a "pawn" relationship would be described by a biologist as symbiotic.
..or parasitic...  and why do we need to be best buds?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Why else would we support a country hated by most of the world for its aggression?  Why else would we arm them to the teeth, oftentimes free of charge?

Israel is our pawn, and we are theirs.
It is in our national interests for Israel to be there. It's in theirs, too. What you describe as a "pawn" relationship would be described by a biologist as symbiotic.
..or parasitic...  and why do we need to be best buds?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


It is in our national interests for Israel to be there. It's in theirs, too. What you describe as a "pawn" relationship would be described by a biologist as symbiotic.
..or parasitic...  and why do we need to be best buds?
Again, what about Israel is essential to our national interests?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


..or parasitic...  and why do we need to be best buds?
Again, what about Israel is essential to our national interests?
That's not for me (or you) to determine. That's why we have elections.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6710|North Carolina

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Again, what about Israel is essential to our national interests?
That's not for me (or you) to determine. That's why we have elections.
Well, that's genuinely creepy.  I feel you're holding back something.

I will agree with you though about determining national interests. We have elections to pretend like the people have any power.
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6648|tropical regions of london
survivalists will get mowed down like the tards they are
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|6976|UK
anyone seen that video where palin refuses to state who she voted for because "thats one of the cool things about democracy in america?"

and to think could had been prez if the old codger snuffed it.

*shudder*


found it

Last edited by m3thod (2008-11-08 15:59:44)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7066

NgoDamWei wrote:

Certainly undeserving to bear a tag of "usmarine" and even worse to add "Carry the Flag" but I'm a Caucasian Viet Nam vet.  What do I know ?
so you are a Nam vet eh?  hmmm


as for carry the flag.................its a hockey team commercial you numpty.

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