Burwhale
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Perhaps the West should seriously look into a Sharia based financial system. Its small now, but its conservative principles have helped it ride out the economic storm.
Islamic financial sector growing faster than any other subset of world banking

Brisbane Times wrote:

While the Western world's financial system has been imploding, this small but rapidly growing share of world capital has weathered the storm.

Sharemarkets in London and New York are a third off their peaks. Dow Jones's Islamic financials index, in contrast, rose 4.75 per cent in the most recent September quarter and lost a modest 7 per cent in the previous year.

Brisbane Times wrote:

What's more, all this growth has come from a model of lending that rejects interest payments and shuns speculation and heavy borrowing.

In short, Islamic finance bans some of the excess that has brought the West's financial system to its knees, and is looking wise indeed, or at least lucky.

Islamic finance takes its guidance from sharia.

Brisbane Times wrote:

Understandably, Western governments are casting around for ideas on how to run a more robust financial system. But what could they possibly learn from such a different approach?

Islamic finance's more prudent rules on debt look attractive in hindsight. But more fundamentally, proponents say it provides a better way to link the financial system to the "real" economy.

Because Islamic banks keep ownership of the asset until the loan is repaid, they have a greater incentive to make sure borrowers do not bite off more than they can chew. The bank shares in the risks of the entrepreneur but also its failures, the argument goes.
More responsible banking, sounds like something worth looking into. May also help avoid spending 800 billion on the next Bail Out package.
Spark
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I don't think it's anything to do with Shariah... more the fact that there are some alarmingly intelligent people over there.
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Burwhale
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It actually has a lot to do with Sharia. Although sharia laws are abhorrent in many ways, when it comes to finance they have many principles that are very sensible. Interestingly though, when you read jsnipys article you see some other muslims take on Islamic bankiing. It seems sharia can be interpreted in different ways.

Check out this wiki if you are interested in facts regarding sharia and finance ( too big to copy and paste, I will post an exerpt here).

Sharia Financial principles in wiki wrote:

Islamic banking has the same purpose as conventional banking except that it operates in accordance with the rules of Shariah, known as Fiqh al-Muamalat (Islamic rules on transactions). The basic principle of Islamic banking is the sharing of profit and loss and the prohibition of riba (usury). Amongst the common Islamic concepts used in Islamic banking are profit sharing (Mudharabah), safekeeping (Wadiah), joint venture (Musharakah), cost plus (Murabahah), and leasing (Ijarah).

In an Islamic mortgage transaction, instead of loaning the buyer money to purchase the item, a bank might buy the item itself from the seller, and re-sell it to the buyer at a profit, while allowing the buyer to pay the bank in installments. However, the fact that it is profit cannot be made explicit and therefore there are no additional penalties for late payment. In order to protect itself against default, the bank asks for strict collateral. The goods or land is registered to the name of the buyer from the start of the transaction. This arrangement is called Murabaha. Another approach is EIjara wa EIqtina, which is similar to real-estate leasing. Islamic banks handle loans for vehicles in a similar way (selling the vehicle at a higher-than-market price to the debtor and then retaining ownership of the vehicle until the loan is paid).

An innovative approach applied by some banks for home loans are called Musyaraka al-Mutanaqisa that allows for a floating rate in the form of rental. The bank and borrower forms a partnership entity, both providing capital at an agreed percentage to purchase the property. The partnership entity then rent out the property to the borrower and charges rent. The bank and the borrower will then share the proceed from this rent based on the current equity share of the partnership. At the same time, the borrower in the partnership entity also buys the bank's share on the property at agreed installments until the full equity is transferred to the borrower and the partnership is ended. If default occurs, both the bank and the borrower receives the proceeds from an auction based on the current equity. This method allows for floating rates according to current market rate such as the BLR (base lending rate), especially in a dual-banking system like in Malaysia.

There are several other approaches used in business deals. Islamic banks lend their money to companies by issuing floating rate interest loans. The floating rate of interest is pegged to the company's individual rate of return. Thus the bank's profit on the loan is equal to a certain percentage of the company's profits. Once the principal amount of the loan is repaid, the profit-sharing arrangement is concluded. This practice is called Musharaka. Further, Mudaraba is venture capital funding of an entrepreneur who provides labor while financing is provided by the bank so that both profit and risk are shared. Such participatory arrangements between capital and labor reflect the Islamic view that the borrower must not bear all the risk/cost of a failure, resulting in a balanced distribution of income and not allowing lender to monopolize the economy.

And finally, Islamic banking is restricted to Islamically acceptable deals, which exclude those involving alcohol, pork, gambling, etc. Thus ethical investing is the only acceptable form of investment, and moral purchasing is encouraged. In theory, Islamic banking is an example of full-reserve banking, with banks achieving a 100% reserve ratio.[2] However, in practice, this is not the case, and no examples of 100 per cent reserve banking are observed [3]

Islamic banks have grown recently in the Muslim world but are a very small share of the global banking system. Micro-lending institutions founded by Muslims, notably Grameen Bank, use conventional lending practices and are popular in some Muslim nations, especially Bangladesh, but some do not consider them true Islamic banking. However, Muhammad Yunus, the founder of Grameen Bank and microfinance banking, and other supporters of microfinance, argue that the lack of collateral and lack of excessive interest in micro-lending is consistent with the Islamic prohibition of usury (riba)

Last edited by Burwhale the Avenger (2008-10-11 06:19:21)

Mekstizzle
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I doubt it's a purely Islamic train of thought. It's not like there's no such word or hear of it in the West. I also don't get how people always identify things as Islamic. I.e: "Islamic Golden age" and "Islamic chemistry" etc.. it's not like you call the European Industrial Revolution as a "Christian Golden age" etc.. it's not like people tie religion in with the Chinese/Indian inventions (most of which were transferred by Muslims into Europe and thus everyone thinks they're Muslim inventions)

I just think it's gay. That's all.

Anyway, on topic, sounds like a decent thing. If the politicians can market it in a different way (somehow I don't think saying "hey guys, we're gonna implement Sharia banking" is going to go down so well) then it could be a good way of doing things. I'm pretty sure it's not an Islamic exclusive thing though, to do something like this. Like I said before, I doubt the idea is completely unheard of in the non-Muslim world.
Burwhale
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Mek I hear what you are saying, but I think there is more to this post than substituting the words " Islamic Finance" for the word " Responsible Finance".
They have a specific system of finance that has been around for ages ( see wiki on details if you can be bothered). Fact is there are significant differences in many areas. Some differences I dont think are practical for the western system, eg, would you go to a bank that didnt offer interest on your savings account (its packaged a different way, so its not called interest), on the other hand, loans dont have accrue interest either ( again its packaged a different way, but amounts to a similar thing).
I agree that it would take a lot of convincing to get people to go to a Sharia bank.
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JahManRed
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The only place on the planet gaining during the slump is Iraqi. They went up 40%. Saudi went down 25%

USA goes down while Iraqi rises. That's were your money is going.

Last edited by JahManRed (2008-10-11 07:35:17)

PureFodder
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Apparently in Japan, the high risk investments are not popular, so they've been doing relatively well recently in comparison as well.

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