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2008-10-08 00:00:52
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6854|San Diego, CA, USA
Yeah...I wondered why McCain didn't bring up Ayres at the debate...I guess we know why.

Dude...do you really want a Democratic President + Democratic Congress...we saw what a President+Congress of the same party does in the first 6 years of Bush (ala 'Blank Check').  I liked it in 1994 where Bill Clinton was president and we had a
Republican congress lead by Newt Gingrich (he's my hero except for the adultery part) - vote for McCain so neither party will get their wasteful spending though.
2008-10-08 00:03:07
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6629|New Haven, CT
We need the Democrat majority to reverse the damage done by Bush's unchecked power, and then separate legislative and executive branches thereafter.
2008-10-08 01:11:31
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6980|Canberra, AUS

Harmor wrote:

Yeah...I wondered why McCain didn't bring up Ayres at the debate...I guess we know why.

Dude...do you really want a Democratic President + Democratic Congress...we saw what a President+Congress of the same party does in the first 6 years of Bush (ala 'Blank Check').  I liked it in 1994 where Bill Clinton was president and we had a
Republican congress lead by Newt Gingrich (he's my hero except for the adultery part) - vote for McCain so neither party will get their wasteful spending though.
Had no idea about this, but still thought the Ayers was a bad strategic move (just one of a few in the last week)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-10-08 01:16:29
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6678|Kyiv, Ukraine

nukchebi0 wrote:

I'm not sure how unbiased the Chicago Tribune is, but something this factual seems hard to spin. Doesn't this give Obama a bit of ammunition to return at Sarah Palin and McCain's mentioning of Ayers? I mean, threatening to subvert the Constitution is really the zenith of terrorism - treason. By the logic employed by the neocons and Palin in particular, McCain hates American ideals and thus the country even more than Obama does.

And that isn't even mentioning Rick Davis. The Republicans should really avoid character assassination tactics and just resign themselves to defeat this year.
The real kicker - guess who let her little group leader speak at the UN on behalf of Alaskan independance?

IRAN!

Cute?  You betchya!
2008-10-08 03:18:30
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

nukchebi0 wrote:

We need the Democrat majority to reverse the damage done by Bush's unchecked power, and then separate legislative and executive branches thereafter.
So we need to give the other party unchecked power to make up for it? Doesn't quite work that way. It'll just be more of the same.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-10-08 15:46:47
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6629|New Haven, CT

FEOS wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

We need the Democrat majority to reverse the damage done by Bush's unchecked power, and then separate legislative and executive branches thereafter.
So we need to give the other party unchecked power to make up for it? Doesn't quite work that way. It'll just be more of the same.
Think of it as a needle going back and forth. Its rather far to the right, and it needs to be in the center. The Democrats will push it toward the left, if they have the same level of power Bush and the Republicans did. I just want it pushed towards the left until it reaches the center. Then, we need to have opposing parties. Its a tempered and limited unchecked power, in the sense we don't have it for a long period of time.
2008-10-08 16:05:21
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7012|67.222.138.85

nukchebi0 wrote:

We need the Democrat majority to reverse the damage done by Bush's unchecked power, and then separate legislative and executive branches thereafter.
Because the United States Government is as simple as a see-saw.
2008-10-08 16:06:11
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6629|New Haven, CT

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

We need the Democrat majority to reverse the damage done by Bush's unchecked power, and then separate legislative and executive branches thereafter.
Because the United States Government is as simple as a see-saw.
The two parties have reduced it to that.


And to whoever gave me the karma, you could at least sign it.
2008-10-08 16:19:40
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7012|67.222.138.85

nukchebi0 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

We need the Democrat majority to reverse the damage done by Bush's unchecked power, and then separate legislative and executive branches thereafter.
Because the United States Government is as simple as a see-saw.
The two parties have reduced it to that.
Your mind has reduced it to that by the mere fact that there are two parties. Complex systems do not take simple input and give you simple output.
2008-10-08 16:30:36
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6629|New Haven, CT

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


Because the United States Government is as simple as a see-saw.
The two parties have reduced it to that.
Your mind has reduced it to that by the mere fact that there are two parties. Complex systems do not take simple input and give you simple output.
The mere fact that two more or less diametrically opposed parties is how the system practically functions, yes. Even if there is some reaching across the isle, each party is basically one entity and that will advance its shared agenda. Even if the system doesn;t theoretically work like this, in practicality, it does.
2008-10-08 16:46:47
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7012|67.222.138.85

nukchebi0 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:


The two parties have reduced it to that.
Your mind has reduced it to that by the mere fact that there are two parties. Complex systems do not take simple input and give you simple output.
The mere fact that two more or less diametrically opposed parties is how the system practically functions, yes. Even if there is some reaching across the isle, each party is basically one entity and that will advance its shared agenda. Even if the system doesn;t theoretically work like this, in practicality, it does.
But that's not how it works in practicality. There is no "party momentum" that must be counterbalanced to bring political equilibrium. One party does stupid shit in one direction, the other party does stupid shit in the other direction, but that doesn't mean all the stupid shit cancels out. All it means is two parties have managed to royally fuck up in completely different ways.
2008-10-08 16:51:09
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6629|New Haven, CT

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:


Your mind has reduced it to that by the mere fact that there are two parties. Complex systems do not take simple input and give you simple output.
The mere fact that two more or less diametrically opposed parties is how the system practically functions, yes. Even if there is some reaching across the isle, each party is basically one entity and that will advance its shared agenda. Even if the system doesn;t theoretically work like this, in practicality, it does.
But that's not how it works in practicality. There is no "party momentum" that must be counterbalanced to bring political equilibrium. One party does stupid shit in one direction, the other party does stupid shit in the other direction, but that doesn't mean all the stupid shit cancels out. All it means is two parties have managed to royally fuck up in completely different ways.
What's your definition of political equilibrium? I see a centrist course of policies as the best way to go for us, and thus the equilibrium. Even if it sucks, it sucks much less than having policies skewed one way or the other.
2008-10-08 16:55:45
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

nukchebi0 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

We need the Democrat majority to reverse the damage done by Bush's unchecked power, and then separate legislative and executive branches thereafter.
So we need to give the other party unchecked power to make up for it? Doesn't quite work that way. It'll just be more of the same.
Think of it as a needle going back and forth. Its rather far to the right, and it needs to be in the center. The Democrats will push it toward the left, if they have the same level of power Bush and the Republicans did. I just want it pushed towards the left until it reaches the center. Then, we need to have opposing parties. Its a tempered and limited unchecked power, in the sense we don't have it for a long period of time.
No. They won't. They will just spend as bad or worse than Bush did, which will exacerbate the problem. Bush has been anything but a conservative...giving the Dems unfettered power will only make things worse. Because it will just be more of the same. But someone keeps saying it'll be "change". Same shit, different label...no change whatsoever.

If people really think the Clinton years were the best we've seen, they should be pulling for McCain. That would ensure balance between the Legislative and Executive branches...assuming, of course, that the Dems in Congress decide to get off their asses and do something.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-10-08 20:40:46
topthrill05
Member
+125|6883|Rochester NY USA
A word of note on the supreme court as well.

What is it like 3-4 seats could be replaced in the next 4 years?

As much as I like educated conservatives I don't think our supreme court needs to go more right, enough of my rights as it is have been lost. Oddly enough I have agreed with many of the decisions I just think we are getting a little over the line.

A tad off topic me thinks though.
2008-10-09 02:19:30
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6716|'Murka

topthrill05 wrote:

enough of my rights as it is have been lost.
What rights have you lost?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

 

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