BF2S Forums Told ya so..... (Palin-bashing Associated Press cries “RAAAACISM!”)

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/index.ssf/2008/10/barack_obama_pseudo_controvers.html


Like I said, expect 4 years of this bullshit...

You did read that, didn't you? There's no appeasement or hidden Democrat agenda in that at all. What are you so worked up about?

ummmmmmmmm yeah I read it, and it supports the OP perfectly. Now, what the hell are you talking about?

lowing wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

You did read that, didn't you? There's no appeasement or hidden Democrat agenda in that at all. What are you so worked up about?

ummmmmmmmm yeah I read it, and it supports the OP perfectly. Now, what the hell are you talking about?

The calls of racism aren't going to continue once Obama wins the election. What would be the point?

Your not going to see this for another 4 years, when Obama starts the campaign for his next election.

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

My opinion is most foreigners would like to see Obama lead the US as McCain looks like Bush 3 to them also.

That's the biggest problem. People have bought the Dem's talking points without doing any analysis of McCain's actual record and platform.

You cannot deny that certainly some of his supporters are racists.

McCain let them go freerange for too long.

Spark wrote:

You cannot deny that certainly some of his supporters are racists.

McCain let them go freerange for too long.

Well of course some of them are racist, it is after all, a big country. Are YOU denying that some of Obamas supporters are racist? If you are not denying that, what exactly IS your point?

and this is a congressman accusing racism against a candidate while calling that candidates "smear tactics" un-necessary?

Last edited by lowing (2008-10-13 23:49:49)

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

so people on this forum saying palin should die, etc.....are stupid rednecks also yes?  just be fair you know.

Who said Palin should die?

its been said.  i dunno.  cant keep track of all the palin threads, and deleted stuff.

I'm not taking sides, or voicing my opinion, but i might be able to help ya on this one marine:

There are quite a few liberal photos depicting McCain and Palin in a poor light...

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/cr … sane-rage/

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

"Now it turns out, one of his earliest supporters is a man named Bill Ayers," Palin said.


"Boooo!" said the crowd.

"And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, 'launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,'" she continued.

"Boooo!" the crowd repeated.

"Kill him!" proposed one man in the audience.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but its my opinion that the supporter who yelled that, was probably referring to Bill Ayers, this guy who was involved in bombing of pentagon/capitol. And not referring to Obama.

lowing wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well of course some of them are racist, it is after all, a big country. Are YOU denying that some of Obamas supporters are racist? If you are not denying that, what exactly IS your point?

I hate white people.

I hate everyone equally.

Let's be honest now lowing... you hate Muslims just a little bit more than everyone else!

FEOS wrote:

Have you done the same analysis to Obama's record? Does he even have enough of one for you to analyze?

Or better yet...got anything other than generalities you can point to? As I recall, McCain's the one who pushed the Army to revamp their FM on interrogation to specifically exclude those things that many view as torture. Against Bush and Cheney's objections.

How many times has McCain gone against his party?

How many times has Obama?

It's fine if you want to vote for Obama. I may very well also. But don't say you've "examined his record ", throw out a bunch of generalities, and think you've convinced me one way or the other. It's clear you've bought into the Dem talking points ("class warfare", "taking away basic services", blah blah blah) without even considering the bigger picture of the impact of Obama's tax plan. Yes, it helps the middle class in some ways, but--despite what Obama is saying--Reaganomics worked. It was responsible for the boom from the 80s to today, with the only glitch being excessive deregulation...which McCain can't get away from.

So...do you go for what's best for you or what's best for the country overall when the two aren't necessarily the same? Nevermind. I already know the answer.

McCain's record -
Military - Stayed below deck to watch an accident, caused partially by his own negligence, unfold on cc tv while a few of his fellow sailors burned alive above deck.  His own carelessness/incompetence managed to crash 3 other aircraft, not counting the one shot out from under him.  Lied about his POW experience and acceptance of special treatment.  Has voted no or abstained on every bill designed to increase soldiers' wages, standard of living, or VA benefits.  Uses rhetoric designed to cheerlead us into more wars.
Family values - Cheated on his crippled wife that supported him all through his POW experience before finally giving her the boot.  The situation got so bad even the Reagans disowned him.
Economy - Actively used his political position to block investigation of Lincoln S+L, costing the taxpayers a few billions.  Decided to play "hero" during the current crisis and completely flopped.
Campaign Management - So completely incompetent I'm honestly thinking they're trying to throw this election on purpose.
Senate Record - Happily removed language limiting torture methods when asked to do so by Bush, and then voted yes on the bill.  Has consistently shown that he is a Bush team player despite all his bluster about mavericky-ness.  That's all I need to know.
Character - Used family ties to get his way into anything, graduated consistently at the bottom of his classes with abysmal disciplinary record.

Reaganomics and "Class Warfare" - Utter failure.  By any possible real measure - income disparity has skyrocketed, consumer debt has skyrocketed, real wages have plummeted, consumer price index has skyrocketed, government spending has increased exponentially, tax rates on the wealthiest 10% have been cut and on the bottom 90% have remained steady.  If you believe differently, you've been suckered.  If you think your life is a currently a success, think how much more you could have had if so much had not been handed to the wealthiest 1% because "they know better what to do with your money."

Obama's record -
Military - Has voted yes on every bill designed to increase VA benefits, standard of living, and soldiers' wages.  Doesn't use rhetoric that will incite potentially hostile nations.
Family values - Happily married with kids, never divorced, no record or rumor of philandering.
Economy - Has shown very real plan to reverse the economic situation.  Supports fully a "green" economy, wants Americans to be leaders again.  Has shown ability overall to put smart people in the right positions (key item).
Campaign management - Slick, modernized, and uses the right people in the right position.  Has shown that principles he espouses trumps blind loyalty by firing any rogue idiots that come into his campaign.
Senate record - Moderate leaning by any scale, works well in bipartisan manner, writings and voting record shows deep understanding of constitutional principles and Jeffersonian democracy as it also applies to moderate Roosevelt "New Deal" principles.
Character - Donated much time and money to charitable and community causes.  Excellent academic record.  Good role-model.

This is what I based my vote on.  Feel free to vote instead for the guy/gal you'd rather have a beer with.

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Have you done the same analysis to Obama's record? Does he even have enough of one for you to analyze?

Or better yet...got anything other than generalities you can point to? As I recall, McCain's the one who pushed the Army to revamp their FM on interrogation to specifically exclude those things that many view as torture. Against Bush and Cheney's objections.

How many times has McCain gone against his party?

How many times has Obama?

It's fine if you want to vote for Obama. I may very well also. But don't say you've "examined his record ", throw out a bunch of generalities, and think you've convinced me one way or the other. It's clear you've bought into the Dem talking points ("class warfare", "taking away basic services", blah blah blah) without even considering the bigger picture of the impact of Obama's tax plan. Yes, it helps the middle class in some ways, but--despite what Obama is saying--Reaganomics worked. It was responsible for the boom from the 80s to today, with the only glitch being excessive deregulation...which McCain can't get away from.

So...do you go for what's best for you or what's best for the country overall when the two aren't necessarily the same? Nevermind. I already know the answer.

McCain's record -
Military - Stayed below deck to watch an accident, caused partially by his own negligence, unfold on cc tv while a few of his fellow sailors burned alive above deck.  His own carelessness/incompetence managed to crash 3 other aircraft, not counting the one shot out from under him.  Lied about his POW experience and acceptance of special treatment.  Has voted no or abstained on every bill designed to increase soldiers' wages, standard of living, or VA benefits.  Uses rhetoric designed to cheerlead us into more wars.
Family values - Cheated on his crippled wife that supported him all through his POW experience before finally giving her the boot.  The situation got so bad even the Reagans disowned him.
Economy - Actively used his political position to block investigation of Lincoln S+L, costing the taxpayers a few billions.  Decided to play "hero" during the current crisis and completely flopped.
Campaign Management - So completely incompetent I'm honestly thinking they're trying to throw this election on purpose.
Senate Record - Happily removed language limiting torture methods when asked to do so by Bush, and then voted yes on the bill.  Has consistently shown that he is a Bush team player despite all his bluster about mavericky-ness.  That's all I need to know.
Character - Used family ties to get his way into anything, graduated consistently at the bottom of his classes with abysmal disciplinary record.

Reaganomics and "Class Warfare" - Utter failure.  By any possible real measure - income disparity has skyrocketed, consumer debt has skyrocketed, real wages have plummeted, consumer price index has skyrocketed, government spending has increased exponentially, tax rates on the wealthiest 10% have been cut and on the bottom 90% have remained steady.  If you believe differently, you've been suckered.  If you think your life is a currently a success, think how much more you could have had if so much had not been handed to the wealthiest 1% because "they know better what to do with your money."

Obama's record -
Military - Has voted yes on every bill designed to increase VA benefits, standard of living, and soldiers' wages.  Doesn't use rhetoric that will incite potentially hostile nations.
Family values - Happily married with kids, never divorced, no record or rumor of philandering.
Economy - Has shown very real plan to reverse the economic situation.  Supports fully a "green" economy, wants Americans to be leaders again.  Has shown ability overall to put smart people in the right positions (key item).
Campaign management - Slick, modernized, and uses the right people in the right position.  Has shown that principles he espouses trumps blind loyalty by firing any rogue idiots that come into his campaign.
Senate record - Moderate leaning by any scale, works well in bipartisan manner, writings and voting record shows deep understanding of constitutional principles and Jeffersonian democracy as it also applies to moderate Roosevelt "New Deal" principles.
Character - Donated much time and money to charitable and community causes.  Excellent academic record.  Good role-model.

This is what I based my vote on.  Feel free to vote instead for the guy/gal you'd rather have a beer with.

Still don't see where you've bothered to substantiate your claims or provide specifics other than character attacks on McCain, without actually laying out his proposals on par with Obama's. The fact that you're way off on the Forrestal accident (as described by his crewmates) is just one example of you not bothering to actually research anything.

You want to compare records, but you only look at McCain's for the past 6 years or so. He's got another 20-odd--under both Republican and Democrat administrations--for you to examine. What about Obama? He's got roughly two, since he's been running for President for effectively half of his Senate term thus far.

Reaganomics an "utter failure"? Let's see...when he took office, we were at 21.5% interest rates, 12% inflation, and double-digit unemployment. After he implemented his economic policies, we had the boom of the 80's, 90's, and early 00's--which resulted from low interest rates, low inflation, and low unemployment. Yep. Complete, utter failure. By any measure...except reality, that is. I guess if you're a believer in state-enforced wealth redistribution a la Karl Marx, then you would see it as a failure.

You look at the last eight years of Bush's economic policies and spending as the failure of Reaganomics. What Bush did was about as far from Reagan's policies as you can go. You keep confusing Bush's eight years to the tenets of the Republican party...they are not one and the same. Look farther out than the end of your nose and maybe you can garner some useful perspective.

As for who I'd like to have a beer with: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I base my vote on researching the policies and histories (the ENTIRE political histories) of both candidates. I see things I like and dislike about both. Who I would rather sit down and have a beer with is irrelevant to my decision-making process. Besides, I'd like to sit down and have a beer with both of them, so that doesn't really help me decide, now does it?

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Have you done the same analysis to Obama's record? Does he even have enough of one for you to analyze?

Or better yet...got anything other than generalities you can point to? As I recall, McCain's the one who pushed the Army to revamp their FM on interrogation to specifically exclude those things that many view as torture. Against Bush and Cheney's objections.

How many times has McCain gone against his party?

How many times has Obama?

It's fine if you want to vote for Obama. I may very well also. But don't say you've "examined his record ", throw out a bunch of generalities, and think you've convinced me one way or the other. It's clear you've bought into the Dem talking points ("class warfare", "taking away basic services", blah blah blah) without even considering the bigger picture of the impact of Obama's tax plan. Yes, it helps the middle class in some ways, but--despite what Obama is saying--Reaganomics worked. It was responsible for the boom from the 80s to today, with the only glitch being excessive deregulation...which McCain can't get away from.

So...do you go for what's best for you or what's best for the country overall when the two aren't necessarily the same? Nevermind. I already know the answer.

McCain's record -
Military - Stayed below deck to watch an accident, caused partially by his own negligence, unfold on cc tv while a few of his fellow sailors burned alive above deck.  His own carelessness/incompetence managed to crash 3 other aircraft, not counting the one shot out from under him.  Lied about his POW experience and acceptance of special treatment.  Has voted no or abstained on every bill designed to increase soldiers' wages, standard of living, or VA benefits.  Uses rhetoric designed to cheerlead us into more wars.
Family values - Cheated on his crippled wife that supported him all through his POW experience before finally giving her the boot.  The situation got so bad even the Reagans disowned him.
Economy - Actively used his political position to block investigation of Lincoln S+L, costing the taxpayers a few billions.  Decided to play "hero" during the current crisis and completely flopped.
Campaign Management - So completely incompetent I'm honestly thinking they're trying to throw this election on purpose.
Senate Record - Happily removed language limiting torture methods when asked to do so by Bush, and then voted yes on the bill.  Has consistently shown that he is a Bush team player despite all his bluster about mavericky-ness.  That's all I need to know.
Character - Used family ties to get his way into anything, graduated consistently at the bottom of his classes with abysmal disciplinary record.

Reaganomics and "Class Warfare" - Utter failure.  By any possible real measure - income disparity has skyrocketed, consumer debt has skyrocketed, real wages have plummeted, consumer price index has skyrocketed, government spending has increased exponentially, tax rates on the wealthiest 10% have been cut and on the bottom 90% have remained steady.  If you believe differently, you've been suckered.  If you think your life is a currently a success, think how much more you could have had if so much had not been handed to the wealthiest 1% because "they know better what to do with your money."

Obama's record -
Military - Has voted yes on every bill designed to increase VA benefits, standard of living, and soldiers' wages.  Doesn't use rhetoric that will incite potentially hostile nations.
Family values - Happily married with kids, never divorced, no record or rumor of philandering.
Economy - Has shown very real plan to reverse the economic situation.  Supports fully a "green" economy, wants Americans to be leaders again.  Has shown ability overall to put smart people in the right positions (key item).
Campaign management - Slick, modernized, and uses the right people in the right position.  Has shown that principles he espouses trumps blind loyalty by firing any rogue idiots that come into his campaign.
Senate record - Moderate leaning by any scale, works well in bipartisan manner, writings and voting record shows deep understanding of constitutional principles and Jeffersonian democracy as it also applies to moderate Roosevelt "New Deal" principles.
Character - Donated much time and money to charitable and community causes.  Excellent academic record.  Good role-model.

This is what I based my vote on.  Feel free to vote instead for the guy/gal you'd rather have a beer with.

You forgot to analyze Obamas friendships with terrorists and convicted felons.

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

lowing wrote:

You forgot to analyze Obamas friendships with terrorists and convicted felons.

Obama served in some capacity on several charity boards with man who happened to be a 60's radical but had since taken up charity work.  There's no evidence Obama ever bombed anything in the 60's.  The end.

Obama also bought a house next to a guy named Rezko.  Rezko had before made a lot of money fund-raising for Obama and the two may or may not have had coffee together.  Rezko was busted a while after his time with Obama selling favors for other state-level politicians.  He hasn't had coffee with Obama since he landed in the pokey.  The end.

Obama was also a member of a church with a reverend Wright as preacher.  A few times when Obama wasn't there, Wright said some bad things about rich white people.  Obama and him aren't friends any more, because Obama is half-white half-rich and was half-offended and went on national TV to give a televised speach saying Wright was an a-hole.  The end.

Happy?

1. Obama became friends with Ayers ( an unrepentant terrorist) AFTER his terrorist activities not before. He knew what this person is

2. Obama has had questionable dealings with Rezko himself including a home and land purchases that was undervalued. All after Obama knew Rezko was under federal investigation for "influence peddling" Favors to and from felons.

3. Obama only left the church when it became politically imperative to do so. He was a member of this church for 20 years and to claim he had no idea what Wright was preaching is naive........uhhhhhhh to say the very least.