I don't understand why more people aren't unnerved by the choice of Biden as VP. As previous topics have discussed, the guy is kind of a douchebag. He seems to me to be the opposite of what the charismatic, full-o'-hope Obama needs. Hell, I think McCain (Senate McCain, not presidential election McCain) would make a better running mate than Joe.
If the President and Congress are from the same party...no, you won't see any "good" change at least.BN wrote:
do you think this is the reason why there is never any "real" change?FEOS wrote:
People think that the President has far more power than he/she actually does. The President sets policy, but Congress controls funding.
Separation of powers is a wonderful thing...so long as one is not a rubber stamp of the other (see 90's versus 2000's).
During the 90's (one of the most prosperous times in America), there was a Republican-led Congress and a Democrat Presidential administration. It wasn't all sunshine and puppies, but it was better than the 2000s "rubber stamp" years with both Congress and the Executive Branch being Republican.
I think there might have been a situation similar to the 90s back when Reagan was in office, but I don't remember off hand.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
lol whateverMek-Stizzle wrote:
A guy that basically gets to choose whether your country exists or not
and he has been wrong like i dunno, most of his career. also, he has been in DC longer than mccain. so, if obama was killed, biden would be the prez. and that does not concern people because they dont know shit about him. they only vote for obama.DesertFox- wrote:
I don't understand why more people aren't unnerved by the choice of Biden as VP. As previous topics have discussed, the guy is kind of a douchebag. He seems to me to be the opposite of what the charismatic, full-o'-hope Obama needs. Hell, I think McCain (Senate McCain, not presidential election McCain) would make a better running mate than Joe.
Looking at the powers that the Prez actually gets, summarized from Wiki they seem to be the following:
source
1.The president is the chief executive of the United States, putting him at the head of the executive branch of the government, whose responsibility is to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed".
2. Ambassadors, judges of the federal court system, members of the Cabinet, and other federal officers are all appointed by the president, with the "advice and consent" of the Senate, granted by a simple majority.
3.The president can further influence the legislative branch through the annual constitutionally-mandated report to Congress, which may be written or oral but in modern times is the State of the Union Address, which often outlines the president's legislative proposals for the coming year.
4.If Congress passes a bill that the president disapproves of, he may veto it; the veto can be overridden only by two-thirds of both houses of Congress, making it substantially more difficult to enact the law.
5.( and the big one)the president commands and directs the military and is responsible for planning military strategy.
Hope I havent missed any here. From this it seems that the POTUS is much more than just a figurehead. Apparently he is given control of 4 million people from the executive branch.
McCain does seem like a decent man, however I would be mortified if Palin gets anywhere near the powers listed above.
source
1.The president is the chief executive of the United States, putting him at the head of the executive branch of the government, whose responsibility is to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed".
2. Ambassadors, judges of the federal court system, members of the Cabinet, and other federal officers are all appointed by the president, with the "advice and consent" of the Senate, granted by a simple majority.
3.The president can further influence the legislative branch through the annual constitutionally-mandated report to Congress, which may be written or oral but in modern times is the State of the Union Address, which often outlines the president's legislative proposals for the coming year.
4.If Congress passes a bill that the president disapproves of, he may veto it; the veto can be overridden only by two-thirds of both houses of Congress, making it substantially more difficult to enact the law.
5.( and the big one)the president commands and directs the military and is responsible for planning military strategy.
Hope I havent missed any here. From this it seems that the POTUS is much more than just a figurehead. Apparently he is given control of 4 million people from the executive branch.
McCain does seem like a decent man, however I would be mortified if Palin gets anywhere near the powers listed above.
Last edited by Burwhale the Avenger (2008-09-23 04:44:35)
So what is so numbingly stupid about this post?Vax wrote:
I fear for the future.Varegg wrote:
All heads of state represent their country, many of the US presidents have made a lasting impression on the rest of the world for both better and worse ...
Some examples of how the Eurotrash views it
- Bush Jr. - Daddy bought him the presidency ... twice
- Clinton - The man that brought the US back on track and introduced a new use of cigars
- Bush Sr. - Shows that a corrupt company of powerful men can indeed peacefully take over the most powerful nation in the world
- Reagan - An actor, and not a very good one either ... he turned out to be an okay president but the world laughed good
- Nixon - Tricky Dick, did he do anything good at all ?
- Lyndon B. Johnson - Responsible for killing thousands of Americas finest for nothing, for absolutely nothing ...
- Harry S. Truman - He saved Europe and rebuild it, the right man in the right job at the right time ... brought the US to it's peek of popularity
- Roosevelt - Maybe the best liked US president ever globally, he won WW2 ... technically Truman did but Roosevelt is the Hero
And what we think of the next election results
McCain/Palin - More of the global instability we have now and a Christian fundamentalism as bad as it's ME counterparts
Obama/Biden - Peace
As it looks right now this may infact be the most important election ever and the entire globe is watching ...
The mind numbing stupidity and lack of historical knowledge is astounding; reading this post makes me truly sad.
You ARE kidding right? Pls say you are j/k
ƒ³
Could be the fact that the poster completely overlooked some and oversimplified others of the accomplishments of each of those officeholders. Not to mention completely mischaracterizing the current election choices.oug wrote:
So what is so numbingly stupid about this post?Vax wrote:
I fear for the future.Varegg wrote:
All heads of state represent their country, many of the US presidents have made a lasting impression on the rest of the world for both better and worse ...
Some examples of how the Eurotrash views it
- Bush Jr. - Daddy bought him the presidency ... twice
- Clinton - The man that brought the US back on track and introduced a new use of cigars
- Bush Sr. - Shows that a corrupt company of powerful men can indeed peacefully take over the most powerful nation in the world
- Reagan - An actor, and not a very good one either ... he turned out to be an okay president but the world laughed good
- Nixon - Tricky Dick, did he do anything good at all ?
- Lyndon B. Johnson - Responsible for killing thousands of Americas finest for nothing, for absolutely nothing ...
- Harry S. Truman - He saved Europe and rebuild it, the right man in the right job at the right time ... brought the US to it's peek of popularity
- Roosevelt - Maybe the best liked US president ever globally, he won WW2 ... technically Truman did but Roosevelt is the Hero
And what we think of the next election results
McCain/Palin - More of the global instability we have now and a Christian fundamentalism as bad as it's ME counterparts
Obama/Biden - Peace
As it looks right now this may infact be the most important election ever and the entire globe is watching ...
The mind numbing stupidity and lack of historical knowledge is astounding; reading this post makes me truly sad.
You ARE kidding right? Pls say you are j/k
How's that for explaining the numbing stupidity of that post?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
That why you don't vote?usmarine wrote:
see people want to believe there will be change in an election. i have been alive for a few now and has SS or health care got any better since the 80's? no. its sad people actually think and believe who they pick will bring ultimate change.
Truth hurts?FEOS wrote:
Could be the fact that the poster completely overlooked some and oversimplified others of the accomplishments of each of those officeholders. Not to mention completely mischaracterizing the current election choices.oug wrote:
So what is so numbingly stupid about this post?Vax wrote:
I fear for the future.
The mind numbing stupidity and lack of historical knowledge is astounding; reading this post makes me truly sad.
You ARE kidding right? Pls say you are j/k
How's that for explaining the numbing stupidity of that post?
If it were the whole truth, maybe.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Truth hurts?FEOS wrote:
Could be the fact that the poster completely overlooked some and oversimplified others of the accomplishments of each of those officeholders. Not to mention completely mischaracterizing the current election choices.oug wrote:
So what is so numbingly stupid about this post?
How's that for explaining the numbing stupidity of that post?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Correct it then. Don't sit there and call it stupid. Rebut it.FEOS wrote:
If it were the whole truth, maybe.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Truth hurts?FEOS wrote:
Could be the fact that the poster completely overlooked some and oversimplified others of the accomplishments of each of those officeholders. Not to mention completely mischaracterizing the current election choices.
How's that for explaining the numbing stupidity of that post?
Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Correct it then. Don't sit there and call it stupid. Rebut it.FEOS wrote:
If it were the whole truth, maybe.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Truth hurts?
Those are just off the top of my head. See what I mean about it not being the "whole truth"? Even the best ones had flaws...even the bad ones had shining moments.Varegg wrote:
All heads of state represent their country, many of the US presidents have made a lasting impression on the rest of the world for both better and worse ...
Some examples of how the Eurotrash views it
* Bush Jr. - Daddy bought him the presidency ... twice
* Clinton - The man that brought the US back on track and introduced a new use of cigars
- Impeached for perjuring himself
- Handed GWB's administration a recession
* Bush Sr. - Shows that a corrupt company of powerful men can indeed peacefully take over the most powerful nation in the world
- Built (and maintained) international coalition (to include Arab/Muslim states) to kick Iraq out of Kuwait
* Reagan - An actor, and not a very good one either ... he turned out to be an okay president but the world laughed good
- Devised and executed a strategy that ended the Cold War and led to the overthrow of Communism in USSR
- Economic policies led to the longest period of growth in US history
==========A couple Varegg forgot===============================
* Carter - Oversaw the worst economy since the Great Depression...to include today's
- That pesky Iranian hostage thing
* Ford - Placeholder
- Restored some semblance of confidence in Washington
========================================================
* Nixon - Tricky Dick, did he do anything good at all ?
- Detente...look it up
- Ended Vietnam War
* Lyndon B. Johnson - Responsible for killing thousands of Americas finest for nothing, for absolutely nothing ...
- Ground-breaking civil rights legislation
===============Couple more that Varegg forgot=======================
* Kennedy - Expanded Vietnam War
- Faced down Soviet bullshit over Cuba...barely avoided nuclear holocaust
* Eisenhower - Started American intervention in Vietnam
- Continued Truman's policies for the rebuilding of Europe (you're all welcome, btw)
==========================================================
* Harry S. Truman - He saved Europe and rebuild it, the right man in the right job at the right time ... brought the US to it's peek of popularity
- Second only to Bush in low approval rating when leaving office...now considered one of the top ten of all time
* Roosevelt - Maybe the best liked US president ever globally, he won WW2 ... technically Truman did but Roosevelt is the Hero
And what we think of the next election results
McCain/Palin - More of the global instability we have now and a Christian fundamentalism as bad as it's ME counterparts
- McCain isn't a Christian fundamentalist
- Has an understanding of the scope of power of the President and the Executive Branch
Obama/Biden - Peace
- How exactly is that?
- Thinks the President can just say it and it is so...at least to hear him promise the world.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
@FEOS:
You can't possibly have understood the post at all seeing as you so thoroughly misunderstood it, what i posted is Some examples of how the Eurotrash views it hence it's not my personal view but the kind of answer you would get asking a question about a well known American President anywhere in Europe unless they have above average interest in US Presidents.
Yes i missed a few and deliberately skipped some other, it was an example not a quote from wiki - and if you have read any other post about McCain/Palin on the forum you would know the reference to fundamentalism was directed at Palin and not McCain ...
The post stand as it does because it shows what impressions your governments leave behind as its legacy to the rest of the world ... we may discuss the Presidents one by one about their detailed achievements right down to what kinda toilet paper they used in the White House but that doesn't change the fact that the examples i listed is what many non residents to the US believes ...
Ford is not a well known President and neither is Carter or Eisenhower hence why i left them out ... i could have listed all 43 but i didn't ...
You can't possibly have understood the post at all seeing as you so thoroughly misunderstood it, what i posted is Some examples of how the Eurotrash views it hence it's not my personal view but the kind of answer you would get asking a question about a well known American President anywhere in Europe unless they have above average interest in US Presidents.
Yes i missed a few and deliberately skipped some other, it was an example not a quote from wiki - and if you have read any other post about McCain/Palin on the forum you would know the reference to fundamentalism was directed at Palin and not McCain ...
The post stand as it does because it shows what impressions your governments leave behind as its legacy to the rest of the world ... we may discuss the Presidents one by one about their detailed achievements right down to what kinda toilet paper they used in the White House but that doesn't change the fact that the examples i listed is what many non residents to the US believes ...
Ford is not a well known President and neither is Carter or Eisenhower hence why i left them out ... i could have listed all 43 but i didn't ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
So you're saying euros develop a predominantly negative view from a position of ignorance?
I'm shocked.
I'm shocked.
Last edited by FEOS (2008-09-23 15:03:00)
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Has nothing to do with ignorance, shallow maybe but not ignorant ... it's in the same line as we think all Americans are fat and stupid, just like you think all people in the ME are terrorists and that everyone in Britain has bad teeth because they don't bleech them ...FEOS wrote:
So you're saying euros develop a predominantly negative view from a position of ignorance?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
So yea, I'd call that a rebuttal. I could certainly add to this but what's the point? People here aren't looking for the full truth. They are just looking to be right.FEOS wrote:
Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Correct it then. Don't sit there and call it stupid. Rebut it.FEOS wrote:
If it were the whole truth, maybe.Those are just off the top of my head. See what I mean about it not being the "whole truth"? Even the best ones had flaws...even the bad ones had shining moments.Varegg wrote:
All heads of state represent their country, many of the US presidents have made a lasting impression on the rest of the world for both better and worse ...
Some examples of how the Eurotrash views it
* Bush Jr. - Daddy bought him the presidency ... twice
* Clinton - The man that brought the US back on track and introduced a new use of cigars
- Impeached for perjuring himself
- Handed GWB's administration a recession
* Bush Sr. - Shows that a corrupt company of powerful men can indeed peacefully take over the most powerful nation in the world
- Built (and maintained) international coalition (to include Arab/Muslim states) to kick Iraq out of Kuwait
* Reagan - An actor, and not a very good one either ... he turned out to be an okay president but the world laughed good
- Devised and executed a strategy that ended the Cold War and led to the overthrow of Communism in USSR
- Economic policies led to the longest period of growth in US history
==========A couple Varegg forgot===============================
* Carter - Oversaw the worst economy since the Great Depression...to include today's
- That pesky Iranian hostage thing
* Ford - Placeholder
- Restored some semblance of confidence in Washington
========================================================
* Nixon - Tricky Dick, did he do anything good at all ?
- Detente...look it up
- Ended Vietnam War
* Lyndon B. Johnson - Responsible for killing thousands of Americas finest for nothing, for absolutely nothing ...
- Ground-breaking civil rights legislation
===============Couple more that Varegg forgot=======================
* Kennedy - Expanded Vietnam War
- Faced down Soviet bullshit over Cuba...barely avoided nuclear holocaust
* Eisenhower - Started American intervention in Vietnam
- Continued Truman's policies for the rebuilding of Europe (you're all welcome, btw)
==========================================================
* Harry S. Truman - He saved Europe and rebuild it, the right man in the right job at the right time ... brought the US to it's peek of popularity
- Second only to Bush in low approval rating when leaving office...now considered one of the top ten of all time
* Roosevelt - Maybe the best liked US president ever globally, he won WW2 ... technically Truman did but Roosevelt is the Hero
And what we think of the next election results
McCain/Palin - More of the global instability we have now and a Christian fundamentalism as bad as it's ME counterparts
- McCain isn't a Christian fundamentalist
- Has an understanding of the scope of power of the President and the Executive Branch
Obama/Biden - Peace
- How exactly is that?
- Thinks the President can just say it and it is so...at least to hear him promise the world.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Kerry my dear ... you cant rebut an impression or feeling ...Kmarion wrote:
So yea, I'd call that a rebuttal. I could certainly add to this but what's the point? People here aren't looking for the full truth. They are just looking to be right.FEOS wrote:
Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Correct it then. Don't sit there and call it stupid. Rebut it.Those are just off the top of my head. See what I mean about it not being the "whole truth"? Even the best ones had flaws...even the bad ones had shining moments.Varegg wrote:
All heads of state represent their country, many of the US presidents have made a lasting impression on the rest of the world for both better and worse ...
Some examples of how the Eurotrash views it
* Bush Jr. - Daddy bought him the presidency ... twice
* Clinton - The man that brought the US back on track and introduced a new use of cigars
- Impeached for perjuring himself
- Handed GWB's administration a recession
* Bush Sr. - Shows that a corrupt company of powerful men can indeed peacefully take over the most powerful nation in the world
- Built (and maintained) international coalition (to include Arab/Muslim states) to kick Iraq out of Kuwait
* Reagan - An actor, and not a very good one either ... he turned out to be an okay president but the world laughed good
- Devised and executed a strategy that ended the Cold War and led to the overthrow of Communism in USSR
- Economic policies led to the longest period of growth in US history
==========A couple Varegg forgot===============================
* Carter - Oversaw the worst economy since the Great Depression...to include today's
- That pesky Iranian hostage thing
* Ford - Placeholder
- Restored some semblance of confidence in Washington
========================================================
* Nixon - Tricky Dick, did he do anything good at all ?
- Detente...look it up
- Ended Vietnam War
* Lyndon B. Johnson - Responsible for killing thousands of Americas finest for nothing, for absolutely nothing ...
- Ground-breaking civil rights legislation
===============Couple more that Varegg forgot=======================
* Kennedy - Expanded Vietnam War
- Faced down Soviet bullshit over Cuba...barely avoided nuclear holocaust
* Eisenhower - Started American intervention in Vietnam
- Continued Truman's policies for the rebuilding of Europe (you're all welcome, btw)
==========================================================
* Harry S. Truman - He saved Europe and rebuild it, the right man in the right job at the right time ... brought the US to it's peek of popularity
- Second only to Bush in low approval rating when leaving office...now considered one of the top ten of all time
* Roosevelt - Maybe the best liked US president ever globally, he won WW2 ... technically Truman did but Roosevelt is the Hero
And what we think of the next election results
McCain/Palin - More of the global instability we have now and a Christian fundamentalism as bad as it's ME counterparts
- McCain isn't a Christian fundamentalist
- Has an understanding of the scope of power of the President and the Executive Branch
Obama/Biden - Peace
- How exactly is that?
- Thinks the President can just say it and it is so...at least to hear him promise the world.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Varegg my child, you can't rebut willful ignorance. Some people are just doomed to these preconceived ideas. I've accepted that.Varegg wrote:
Kerry my dear ... you cant rebut an impression or feeling ...Kmarion wrote:
So yea, I'd call that a rebuttal. I could certainly add to this but what's the point? People here aren't looking for the full truth. They are just looking to be right.FEOS wrote:
Those are just off the top of my head. See what I mean about it not being the "whole truth"? Even the best ones had flaws...even the bad ones had shining moments.
I'm off to go bleach my teeth use a toothbrush.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
True ... but one can try to understand why an impression was conceived rather than just meet ignorance with ignorance ...Kmarion wrote:
Varegg my child, you can't rebut willful ignorance. Some people are just doomed to these preconceived ideas. I've accepted that.Varegg wrote:
Kerry my dear ... you cant rebut an impression or feeling ...Kmarion wrote:
So yea, I'd call that a rebuttal. I could certainly add to this but what's the point? People here aren't looking for the full truth. They are just looking to be right.
I'm off to go bleach my teeth use a toothbrush.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
It's awfully irrelevant what the plebeians in Europe think of our Presidents or Presidential candidates...after all they certainly aren't voting for them and have as much say in foreign policy as the American plebeians do.Varegg wrote:
True ... but one can try to understand why an impression was conceived rather than just meet ignorance with ignorance ...Kmarion wrote:
Varegg my child, you can't rebut willful ignorance. Some people are just doomed to these preconceived ideas. I've accepted that.Varegg wrote:
Kerry my dear ... you cant rebut an impression or feeling ...
I'm off to go bleach my teeth use a toothbrush.
This is true. To often people stop asking questions. Why are people racist? Why do militants kill innocent people? .. etc. To understand is not to condone. To stop short is illogical. We do that a lot here.Varegg wrote:
True ... but one can try to understand why an impression was conceived rather than just meet ignorance with ignorance ...Kmarion wrote:
Varegg my child, you can't rebut willful ignorance. Some people are just doomed to these preconceived ideas. I've accepted that.Varegg wrote:
Kerry my dear ... you cant rebut an impression or feeling ...
I'm off to go bleach my teeth use a toothbrush.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Why are we digging below the functional level into the inner workings?Kmarion wrote:
This is true. To often people stop asking questions. Why are people racist? Why do militants kill innocent people? .. etc. To understand is not to condone. To stop short is illogical. We do that a lot here.Varegg wrote:
True ... but one can try to understand why an impression was conceived rather than just meet ignorance with ignorance ...Kmarion wrote:
Varegg my child, you can't rebut willful ignorance. Some people are just doomed to these preconceived ideas. I've accepted that.
I'm off to go bleach my teeth use a toothbrush.
Except we don't think those things. Yet another ignorant, flawed euro view of Americans.Varegg wrote:
Has nothing to do with ignorance, shallow maybe but not ignorant ... it's in the same line as we think all Americans are fat and stupid, just like you think all people in the ME are terrorists and that everyone in Britain has bad teeth because they don't bleech them ...FEOS wrote:
So you're saying euros develop a predominantly negative view from a position of ignorance?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Go ask some questions, you'd be surpriced FEOS ... we have had those comments on this forum also plenty of times ...FEOS wrote:
Except we don't think those things. Yet another ignorant, flawed euro view of Americans.Varegg wrote:
Has nothing to do with ignorance, shallow maybe but not ignorant ... it's in the same line as we think all Americans are fat and stupid, just like you think all people in the ME are terrorists and that everyone in Britain has bad teeth because they don't bleech them ...FEOS wrote:
So you're saying euros develop a predominantly negative view from a position of ignorance?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
That is the kinda chain of thoughts that are alienating your nation from the rest of the world, you seriously have to change the "fuck the rest of the world" attitude and start trying to gain back some of that goodwill you actually once had ...Flaming_Maniac wrote:
It's awfully irrelevant what the plebeians in Europe think of our Presidents or Presidential candidates...after all they certainly aren't voting for them and have as much say in foreign policy as the American plebeians do.Varegg wrote:
True ... but one can try to understand why an impression was conceived rather than just meet ignorance with ignorance ...Kmarion wrote:
Varegg my child, you can't rebut willful ignorance. Some people are just doomed to these preconceived ideas. I've accepted that.
I'm off to go bleach my teeth use a toothbrush.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................