Yeah? Maybe you should try working hard toward a goal that "pays off"... Being head cashier at Wal-Mart probably doesn't have the same "pay-off" as a brain surgeon. But I guess the brain surgeon was just lucky huh?Spark wrote:
Yes, because they worked hard and got the right deck. Not everyone who works hard gets such a payoff, luck is a big factor.lowing wrote:
Well, first I didn't make a racial statement I was addressing the poster who said I was lucky to be born a WHITE male. I merely pointed out the fact race has nothing to do with luck. It was action and responsibility. I used Oprah and Cosby well, because they were NOT white males and still managed to do better than 99.9% of all white males.TrueMusou wrote:
HAHA oh geez, I'm starting to take a liking to your antics. For one I'm still surprised you've managed to get on people's nerves enough to have em keep this thread alive.lowing wrote:
I did? I thought I addressed his post.
Where ya been? Still searching for that evidence that SF is a moderate city that has a history of pro-military relations?
To address the post in question. Why did you bring race into the equation? You could have easily mentioned ANY well off individual, but for some reason, in that lowing mind of yours, you had to mention African Americans in comparison to yourself. I will not draw the conclusion here as for why you made such a comparison, I'll leave it to others.
I've dropped the SF argument a while back. Good to see you're still on the ball for both of us. I didn't feel the need to explain my view any further to you cause I didn't need to prove any more than I already had. If you didn't want to accept it, fine. I still sleep sound at night. Lucky me, right?
You may think you're quite a unique free thinking individual who has thoroughly thought through what you say and present to the world. But on the contrary. There's many people out there like yourself. YOU'RE problem is being helplessly thickheaded. I've dealt with many people like you and I won't waste my time with these people. You go right on ahead and preach to the world your righteous ideas cause we all know their flawless and should be law of the land because it came from your mind.
I wish you luck in digging yourself further and further into this hole. Who knows? Couple of more pages in this thread and you'd be in Russia...or god forbid, CHINA!
Cheers and enjoy the company of the people that decided to humor you in your, oh so, colorful debates. I will have to take my leave early back to the land of reality. Don't worry though, I'll be sure to take seat as a spectators to your shananigans.
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HAHA oh geez I love this guy. He's sitting there waiting for a new post like a fat kid waiting for the ice cream truck. ^Eat up tubby, eat up.
Put it this way... you can't get forward without hard work. But you can certainly go backwards even with hard work.
Never been robbed. A few times someone has tried to rob me, in one of the worst areas of the county, if not the country...lowing wrote:
yeah ok, he shoulda shot his assTheAussieReaper wrote:
Holy shit lowing. He chases of a criminal and you think it's sad that he did not kill the guy? I suppose this is the reason you want guns owned by everyone. So that criminals get killed. I wonder how many home owners would be brutally killed in a world like that.lowing wrote:
That is truely a sad story. The fact that you let a piece of shit get away so he can rob or hurt some other innocent person at a later date, saddens me to no end.
You know nothing about the robber, he could have been trying to steal a loaf of bread for his starving family. He could have wanted money to pay off a drug habit.
Either way, he didn't have a gun because of tighter gun laws in Australia. You might think if a criminal wants a gun he gets one, but it's never that easy.
I for one am glad LbJ managed to frighten away the robber, without the exchange of gunfire.
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how the think WE are in danger living in the US when jord admits he gets robbed all the time.
There's my answer. Shit area, woulda replied sooner but instead of posting you edited it into your post and I missed it.
No sweat,jord wrote:
Never been robbed. A few times someone has tried to rob me, in one of the worst areas of the county, if not the country...lowing wrote:
yeah ok, he shoulda shot his assTheAussieReaper wrote:
Holy shit lowing. He chases of a criminal and you think it's sad that he did not kill the guy? I suppose this is the reason you want guns owned by everyone. So that criminals get killed. I wonder how many home owners would be brutally killed in a world like that.
You know nothing about the robber, he could have been trying to steal a loaf of bread for his starving family. He could have wanted money to pay off a drug habit.
Either way, he didn't have a gun because of tighter gun laws in Australia. You might think if a criminal wants a gun he gets one, but it's never that easy.
I for one am glad LbJ managed to frighten away the robber, without the exchange of gunfire.
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how the think WE are in danger living in the US when jord admits he gets robbed all the time.
There's my answer. Shit area, woulda replied sooner but instead of posting you edited it into your post and I missed it.
Gun issue is old and wore out in this forum, agree to disagree on the matter.
Yuplowing wrote:
No sweat,jord wrote:
Never been robbed. A few times someone has tried to rob me, in one of the worst areas of the county, if not the country...lowing wrote:
yeah ok, he shoulda shot his ass
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how the think WE are in danger living in the US when jord admits he gets robbed all the time.
There's my answer. Shit area, woulda replied sooner but instead of posting you edited it into your post and I missed it.
Gun issue is old and wore out in this forum, agree to disagree on the matter.
Noticed I had to add that they were attempted and not successful.
Egomaniac me..
That or he could actually afford further education. someone working at wal-mart might be very intelligent but did not have the money or the time to get further education.lowing wrote:
Yeah? Maybe you should try working hard toward a goal that "pays off"... Being head cashier at Wal-Mart probably doesn't have the same "pay-off" as a brain surgeon. But I guess the brain surgeon was just lucky huh?Spark wrote:
Yes, because they worked hard and got the right deck. Not everyone who works hard gets such a payoff, luck is a big factor.lowing wrote:
Well, first I didn't make a racial statement I was addressing the poster who said I was lucky to be born a WHITE male. I merely pointed out the fact race has nothing to do with luck. It was action and responsibility. I used Oprah and Cosby well, because they were NOT white males and still managed to do better than 99.9% of all white males.
Put it this way... you can't get forward without hard work. But you can certainly go backwards even with hard work.
Maybe not, so how should that become MY problem to deal with? Oh yeah, life isn't fair, so we must pool together to make life fair, ya know like communism/socialismLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
That or he could actually afford further education. someone working at wal-mart might be very intelligent but did not have the money or the time to get further education.lowing wrote:
Yeah? Maybe you should try working hard toward a goal that "pays off"... Being head cashier at Wal-Mart probably doesn't have the same "pay-off" as a brain surgeon. But I guess the brain surgeon was just lucky huh?Spark wrote:
Yes, because they worked hard and got the right deck. Not everyone who works hard gets such a payoff, luck is a big factor.
Put it this way... you can't get forward without hard work. But you can certainly go backwards even with hard work.
And that's just plain selfishness.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
lol, I am not even going to answer this one.Spark wrote:
And that's just plain selfishness.
Don't.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
because paying taxes creates a classless society where everyone is equal? hmm nope definitely not communismlowing wrote:
Maybe not, so how should that become MY problem to deal with? Oh yeah, life isn't fair, so we must pool together to make life fair, ya know like communism/socialismLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
That or he could actually afford further education. someone working at wal-mart might be very intelligent but did not have the money or the time to get further education.lowing wrote:
Yeah? Maybe you should try working hard toward a goal that "pays off"... Being head cashier at Wal-Mart probably doesn't have the same "pay-off" as a brain surgeon. But I guess the brain surgeon was just lucky huh?
Never said it was.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
because paying taxes creates a classless society where everyone is equal? hmm nope definitely not communismlowing wrote:
Maybe not, so how should that become MY problem to deal with? Oh yeah, life isn't fair, so we must pool together to make life fair, ya know like communism/socialismLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
That or he could actually afford further education. someone working at wal-mart might be very intelligent but did not have the money or the time to get further education.
But wealth redistribution is socialism/communism. To try and make "everything fair"
As long as blue states can stop paying for red states, sounds great.
That is a fair comparsion... to a point. Tax is not going to make a Orthadontist make the same amount as a Teacher or a garbage man. and the objective isnt "to make everything fair" but rather to give poor people an Oppurtunity to improve their situation. they cant live off taxpayers dollars forever... but it can help get them on their feet and therefore re-pay the community by conributing through better working, better education etc.lowing wrote:
Never said it was.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
because paying taxes creates a classless society where everyone is equal? hmm nope definitely not communismlowing wrote:
Maybe not, so how should that become MY problem to deal with? Oh yeah, life isn't fair, so we must pool together to make life fair, ya know like communism/socialism
But wealth redistribution is socialism/communism. To try and make "everything fair"
I'm amazed that you see fairness/equality as a bad thing.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Systems are already in place for that very thing, yet welfare seems to be life style more than a helping hand. So the left feels the ONLY solution is to take even more money from the rich and dump it into programs that are already being taken advantage of.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
That is a fair comparsion... to a point. Tax is not going to make a Orthadontist make the same amount as a Teacher or a garbage man. and the objective isnt "to make everything fair" but rather to give poor people an Oppurtunity to improve their situation. they cant live off taxpayers dollars forever... but it can help get them on their feet and therefore re-pay the community by conributing through better working, better education etc.lowing wrote:
Never said it was.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
because paying taxes creates a classless society where everyone is equal? hmm nope definitely not communism
But wealth redistribution is socialism/communism. To try and make "everything fair"
i am amazed that you see it is fair to take from those that earn and re-distribute it to those that do not earn.Spark wrote:
I'm amazed that you see fairness/equality as a bad thing.
It is fair for everyone EXCEPT those that are being robbed, you do not seem to consider those folks.
You don't seem to grasp that not doing this will be much off worse for you in any situation.lowing wrote:
i am amazed that you see it is fair to take from those that earn and re-distribute it to those that do not earn.Spark wrote:
I'm amazed that you see fairness/equality as a bad thing.
It is fair for everyone EXCEPT those that are being robbed, you do not seem to consider those folks.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Another question: At what point do you say OK, enough is enough, it is time for people to take responsibility for their decisions and their actions. Is their a majic number where the socialists of the country will say ok we do not want any more, the poor people should take it from here?lowing wrote:
Systems are already in place for that very thing, yet welfare seems to be life style more than a helping hand. So the left feels the ONLY solution is to take even more money from the rich and dump it into programs that are already being taken advantage of.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
That is a fair comparsion... to a point. Tax is not going to make a Orthadontist make the same amount as a Teacher or a garbage man. and the objective isnt "to make everything fair" but rather to give poor people an Oppurtunity to improve their situation. they cant live off taxpayers dollars forever... but it can help get them on their feet and therefore re-pay the community by conributing through better working, better education etc.lowing wrote:
Never said it was.
But wealth redistribution is socialism/communism. To try and make "everything fair"
I see, so it is extortion that we are really talking about. Pay us or else!!!Spark wrote:
You don't seem to grasp that not doing this will be much off worse for you in any situation.lowing wrote:
i am amazed that you see it is fair to take from those that earn and re-distribute it to those that do not earn.Spark wrote:
I'm amazed that you see fairness/equality as a bad thing.
It is fair for everyone EXCEPT those that are being robbed, you do not seem to consider those folks.
Are you willing to deprive the people who do need it and are willing to try to change their lives using it because of some people abusing it?lowing wrote:
Systems are already in place for that very thing, yet welfare seems to be life style more than a helping hand. So the left feels the ONLY solution is to take even more money from the rich and dump it into programs that are already being taken advantage of.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
That is a fair comparsion... to a point. Tax is not going to make a Orthadontist make the same amount as a Teacher or a garbage man. and the objective isnt "to make everything fair" but rather to give poor people an Oppurtunity to improve their situation. they cant live off taxpayers dollars forever... but it can help get them on their feet and therefore re-pay the community by conributing through better working, better education etc.lowing wrote:
Never said it was.
But wealth redistribution is socialism/communism. To try and make "everything fair"
I dont know about in America but here you have to show evidence that you have been applying for jobs and seeking out employment to receive welfare. obviously that can still be cheated but the honest people will get their money some dishonest people will... but thats almost unavoidable.
...lowing wrote:
I see, so it is extortion that we are really talking about. Pay us or else!!!Spark wrote:
You don't seem to grasp that not doing this will be much off worse for you in any situation.lowing wrote:
i am amazed that you see it is fair to take from those that earn and re-distribute it to those that do not earn.
It is fair for everyone EXCEPT those that are being robbed, you do not seem to consider those folks.
Hopeless case we have here.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Yer right Spark, hopelessly responsible for myself and my actions.Spark wrote:
...lowing wrote:
I see, so it is extortion that we are really talking about. Pay us or else!!!Spark wrote:
You don't seem to grasp that not doing this will be much off worse for you in any situation.
Hopeless case we have here.
Nope I am not, countless times I have stated taking care of the disabled and children are worthy causes.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Are you willing to deprive the people who do need it and are willing to try to change their lives using it because of some people abusing it?lowing wrote:
Systems are already in place for that very thing, yet welfare seems to be life style more than a helping hand. So the left feels the ONLY solution is to take even more money from the rich and dump it into programs that are already being taken advantage of.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
That is a fair comparsion... to a point. Tax is not going to make a Orthadontist make the same amount as a Teacher or a garbage man. and the objective isnt "to make everything fair" but rather to give poor people an Oppurtunity to improve their situation. they cant live off taxpayers dollars forever... but it can help get them on their feet and therefore re-pay the community by conributing through better working, better education etc.
I dont know about in America but here you have to show evidence that you have been applying for jobs and seeking out employment to receive welfare. obviously that can still be cheated but the honest people will get their money some dishonest people will... but thats almost unavoidable.
Everyone else need not apply, for anything except a job.
Tax returns, criminal history, education history, work history, job applicaions, credit history, and medical history all can be used to paint a picture of a persons life and their actions in it. From this it could be determained who qualifies and who does not.
Do you think you could survive yourself living solely off the welfare system in America lowing, without applying yourself at all for a job?
nope I would not survive, in fact the notion scares me so much I made sure I finished school and made myself marketable so I would never be placed in that situation. Also, I doubt a person who made sure they were a qualified auto mechanic is working at McDonalds trying to feed a family of 4, for example.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Do you think you could survive yourself living solely off the welfare system in America lowing, without applying yourself at all for a job?
In fact what is a person who not afford to take care of themselves doing with 4 kids in the first place? Makes ya wonder.