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2008-08-13 04:13:41
IG-Calibre
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Vilham wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Vilham wrote:

That still has no relevance over the fact that NI democratically remained part of the UK and that that  isn't invalid or undemocratic because people that lived in NI had ancestors that only moved to NI a mere 400 years ago rather than 700+. Which was IG's rather absurd point.
a - Democratically = people voted. The State of Northern Ireland was not brought about by a vote, but by agreement, can you not grasp this fact? we (Northern Irish Catholics) were sold out. No matter how much you say it, there was no vote. If there had been a vote then Tyrone, Fermanagh, Armagh would be part of the Republic as these three counties had nationalist majority's, yet were claimed by the British.

b - The British Crown seeded Ulster with Protestants because of Catholic Rebellion in the 1600's.  This was to ensure a Protestant Majority sympathetic to the crown. It's called the Plantation of Ulster you should read a bit of history, this is not just a "democratic" majority but social engineering.  FACT nothing absurd about anything i've said.
Points taken. That still doesn't relate the two points, which is what you tried to do. The fact that the British Crown may have seeded Ulster doesn't mean the people that are descendants 400 years later have no rights.

The British crown doesn't even exist in the same form anymore, so instead of blaming the people who lived back then and made those decisions you placed the blame on the descendants just because they have the same blood?
I would agree with you TBH, but the problem is that the state founded by the British discriminated against those Catholics left in Northern Ireland after partition, It was the British that brought internment in for Catholics. It was the British crown forces that murdered innocent Catholics protesting against that discrimination, it was the British crown's hidden hand that murdered Catholics indiscriminately through Loyalist Terrorist organisations all this in the last fourty years mate. So yes I agree things have changed now, that state no longer exists.  Times have indeed changed.

County Derry didn't have a nationalist majority at partition believe it or not - it was Armagh, Tyrone, Fermanagh..
2008-08-13 04:21:59
CameronPoe
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Vilham wrote:

Nice to see your true opinions of the British finally coming through.

For the record everyone, according to Poe the British state is a "tyrannical power".

So even though a majority in some of the county's would want to remain part of the UK even though that might not be all as IG and Ted point out they shouldn't be allowed to. As said, until a majority wants in on RI then NI remains part of the UK, seems pretty simple really, atm majority wants to remain part of UK. Deal with it or move.

I certainly wouldn't remain in a region that wanted to remain part of another country. Eg, if The channel islands were part of France and the majority wanted it so but I wanted British rule then I would move, we don't live in some cave man era where I refuse to give up the piece of turf beneath my house.
IN THOSE DAYS Britain was a tyrannical imperialist power - as recognised by pretty much everyone, even British people. A vast majority of Ireland in 1922 wanted to form the Republic - instead the British carved off an artifical piece of their stolen territory, which had a socially engineered British majority. Nobody, repeat nobody, is denying the fact that those British people in the North have rights. That is enshrined in our proclamation of independence and in our consitution and is lived out by the many thousands of British people who remained in the Republic after it was formed.

NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE UP THEIR RIGHTS, PROPERTY OR LAND at the hands of injustice, however long ago the original crime was: not republicans, not unionists, not anyone with an ounce of interest in what is right and just.

PS Where would you have went if Germany had successfully invaded and mastered the UK pray tell?

FTR My Dad's from London and I myself was born in Glasgow.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-08-13 04:22:32)

2008-08-13 04:32:34
JahManRed
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Vilham wrote:

So even though a majority in some of the county's would want to remain part of the UK even though that might not be all as IG and Ted point out they shouldn't be allowed to. As said, until a majority wants in on RI then NI remains part of the UK, seems pretty simple really, atm majority wants to remain part of UK. Deal with it or move.
How do you know this? We have never been given an all Ireland vote on reunification. Last time we did a census it was 47%nationalist 52% unionist. Since then the north has been flooded with Eastern Europeans, mostly catholic. So id say its now closer to 50/50. The time is coming to give us our referendum.

You missed my point.
The Normans have integrated into British society. English ppl are as much Norman as English as Saxon. Your invaders were considerably better at assimilating your native culture into their own and vise verse than the English were at assimilating ours. They tried with the plantations and had some success in the north. But almost 50% of the ppl in the north consider themselves Irish, not British. So unlike England there is unrest.
Do 50% of English ppl identify themselves as Norman and the other 50% Saxon? No, the rift doesn't exist in England anymore, it does here.
The wars in and over England stopped 100s of years ago. The struggle over Northern Ireland only stopped 15 years ago, some would say it is still going on with decedent republicans carrying out the odd operation and the UDA, UVF, LVF, UFF still not decommissioned a single gun, still carrying out criminality and still shooting ppl, so its still very fresh and current to all who live here. The war started 700 years ago and is still going on.
2008-08-13 04:34:28
Vilham
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CameronPoe wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Nice to see your true opinions of the British finally coming through.

For the record everyone, according to Poe the British state is a "tyrannical power".

So even though a majority in some of the county's would want to remain part of the UK even though that might not be all as IG and Ted point out they shouldn't be allowed to. As said, until a majority wants in on RI then NI remains part of the UK, seems pretty simple really, atm majority wants to remain part of UK. Deal with it or move.

I certainly wouldn't remain in a region that wanted to remain part of another country. Eg, if The channel islands were part of France and the majority wanted it so but I wanted British rule then I would move, we don't live in some cave man era where I refuse to give up the piece of turf beneath my house.
IN THOSE DAYS Britain was a tyrannical imperialist power - as recognised by pretty much everyone, even British people. A vast majority of Ireland in 1922 wanted to form the Republic - instead the British carved off an artifical piece of their stolen territory, which had a socially engineered British majority. Nobody, repeat nobody, is denying the fact that those British people in the North have rights. That is enshrined in our proclamation of independence and in our consitution and is lived out by the many thousands of British people who remained in the Republic after it was formed.

NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE UP THEIR RIGHTS, PROPERTY OR LAND at the hands of injustice, however long ago the original crime was: not republicans, not unionists, not anyone with an ounce of interest in what is right and just.

PS Where would you have went if Germany had successfully invaded and mastered the UK pray tell?

FTR My Dad's from London and I myself was born in Glasgow.
How is your point about Germany relevant to NI and RI?

A more accurate analogy would be where would I go if Germany had successfully invaded 600+ years before and then acknowledged Scotland and Wales independence but not England's. Well believe it or not or would have moved to Scotland or Wales if I wasn't happy with German rule.

Or alternatively if Germany invaded back in WWII and I was born then I would fight to prevent Nazi rule, just like I can respect early Irish people for doing. I wouldn't however fight against my own country if I was born three to four generations later over something that no longer held any value to how I lived at that point.

I guess the fact that you wouldn't move and would rather fight over a piece of earth that will still be there long after you or anyone else has ceased to exist shows how backwards your views are tbh.
2008-08-13 04:37:19
Vilham
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JahManRed wrote:

Vilham wrote:

So even though a majority in some of the county's would want to remain part of the UK even though that might not be all as IG and Ted point out they shouldn't be allowed to. As said, until a majority wants in on RI then NI remains part of the UK, seems pretty simple really, atm majority wants to remain part of UK. Deal with it or move.
How do you know this? We have never been given an all Ireland vote on reunification. Last time we did a census it was 47%nationalist 52% unionist. Since then the north has been flooded with Eastern Europeans, mostly catholic. So id say its now closer to 50/50. The time is coming to give us our referendum.

You missed my point.
The Normans have integrated into British society. English ppl are as much Norman as English as Saxon. Your invaders were considerably better at assimilating your native culture into their own and vise verse than the English were at assimilating ours. They tried with the plantations and had some success in the north. But almost 50% of the ppl in the north consider themselves Irish, not British. So unlike England there is unrest.
Do 50% of English ppl identify themselves as Norman and the other 50% Saxon? No, the rift doesn't exist in England anymore, it does here.
The wars in and over England stopped 100s of years ago. The struggle over Northern Ireland only stopped 15 years ago, some would say it is still going on with decedent republicans carrying out the odd operation and the UDA, UVF, LVF, UFF still not decommissioned a single gun, still carrying out criminality and still shooting ppl, so its still very fresh and current to all who live here. The war started 700 years ago and is still going on.
The fact that the war can even be going on 700 years later seems incredibly backwards to me over something as little as who rules when pretty much both ruling systems are identical.

However ofc, as soon as the majority in NI want to become part of RI or start their own state fair enough. Anyone that doesn't agree with the majority can move elsewhere.
2008-08-13 04:38:50
IG-Calibre
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JahManRed wrote:

. The war started 700 years ago and is still going on.
I disagree, the war is over, democracy is the victory! I am an Irish man and I no longer see discrimination against Nationalists (except with regard to language but that will be sorted no doubt).  While we will never accept each others cultures, hopefully we can learn to live at peace with ourselves.  As I say during Bloody Sunday people were marching for civil rights, not a united Ireland.   Though of course I would never object to reunification as long as it's through the democratic process.

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-08-13 04:39:33)

2008-08-13 05:20:30
JahManRed
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Vilham wrote:

The fact that the war can even be going on 700 years later seems incredibly backwards to me over something as little as who rules when pretty much both ruling systems are identical.
Why is it backwards? Surly it demonstrates how much people want to guide their own destiny that it has been going on so long. I can't vote on Labour or Conservative or Lib Dems as they don't field candidates here. So I have no say in who actually rules our country. I want to be part of Ireland, I want to be ruled from Dublin, I want to be able to vote directly for the politicians who form policies which govern my future.

South Africans fought and were labeled terrorists since the formation of the South African state and got their way in the end and they are hailed as hero's of freedom today. I wouldn't say they were backwards for fighting for what the believe in and either are we. Thankfully the fight has moved to the political arena. Remember that the political arena was until recently dominated by Unionists. An example is that all the Motorways in N.Ireland run East to West linking all the Unionist towns while the majority of the traffic runs North to south between Belfast and Dublin were up until recently(thanks EU) all back roads and potholes.


Vilham wrote:

However ofc, as soon as the majority in NI want to become part of RI or start their own state fair enough. Anyone that doesn't agree with the majority can move elsewhere.
Agreed. Although I would like to think that the Unionists in N.I would stay and their Ulster Scotts culture would be preserved and protected. A luxury that wasn't afforded to Nationalist when N.I was formed.
2008-08-13 05:22:13
CameronPoe
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Vilham wrote:

How is your point about Germany relevant to NI and RI?
You basically state that if a foreign power succesfully invades, occupies and tears your nation asunder that you should drop all of your land and possessions and march sullenly away from them. Failing that you should gradually forget about the injustice and the fact you are being treated as second class citizens as the foreign power gets rich off your land over the course of several generations. That's the relevance. You're advocating invasion of other nations on the basis that 'they'll eventually be assimilated and if not then we'll ethnically cleanse the region'. I'm afraid I don't agree with ethnic cleansing.

The facts on the ground now are that as of 1997 Irish in the six counties no longer have their civil liberties infringed upon, are no longer treated as second class citizens, the government of the Republic (as well as that of the UK) have an involvement in their political affairs, border controls are gone, the British army is all but gone, the police service is being tranformed into a police service (and not a loyalist army), and demographics will ultimately lead to the democratic reunification of our country.

You ultimately have to recognise that democracy is not suited to certain situations. Where two immovable and diametrically and vehemently opposed political factions occupy the same patch of land, completely intermingled one cannot have a functioning democracy very easily - some compromise solution has to be achieved: the Good Friday Peace Agreement. The same situation exists in Iraq (Sunni, Sh'ia, Kurd), Georgia, China (Tibet, Xinjiang), Russia (Chechnya), the Balkans (Bosnia & Herzegovina) and elsewhere.

Can I ask - why didn't Britain keep a 'Northern India', 'Northern Rhodesia', 'Northern British Honduras' or a 'Northern Hong Kong'? They were in all of those locations for many centuries with many settlers left behind upon retreat. And of course we all know by Vilham logic that time dilutes crime...

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2008-08-13 05:36:29
Braddock
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JahManRed wrote:

Vilham wrote:

The fact that the war can even be going on 700 years later seems incredibly backwards to me over something as little as who rules when pretty much both ruling systems are identical.
Why is it backwards? Surly it demonstrates how much people want to guide their own destiny that it has been going on so long. I can't vote on Labour or Conservative or Lib Dems as they don't field candidates here. So I have no say in who actually rules our country. I want to be part of Ireland, I want to be ruled from Dublin, I want to be able to vote directly for the politicians who form policies which govern my future.

South Africans fought and were labeled terrorists since the formation of the South African state and got their way in the end and they are hailed as hero's of freedom today. I wouldn't say they were backwards for fighting for what the believe in and either are we. Thankfully the fight has moved to the political arena. Remember that the political arena was until recently dominated by Unionists. An example is that all the Motorways in N.Ireland run East to West linking all the Unionist towns while the majority of the traffic runs North to south between Belfast and Dublin were up until recently(thanks EU) all back roads and potholes.


Vilham wrote:

However ofc, as soon as the majority in NI want to become part of RI or start their own state fair enough. Anyone that doesn't agree with the majority can move elsewhere.
Agreed. Although I would like to think that the Unionists in N.I would stay and their Ulster Scotts culture would be preserved and protected. A luxury that wasn't afforded to Nationalist when N.I was formed.
Aye, ye hae tee keep the Ulster Scoots!
2008-08-13 07:12:19
FatherTed
xD
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no one cares about derry.
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Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
2008-08-13 08:44:35
Vilham
Say wat!?
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CameronPoe wrote:

Vilham wrote:

How is your point about Germany relevant to NI and RI?
You basically state that if a foreign power succesfully invades, occupies and tears your nation asunder that you should drop all of your land and possessions and march sullenly away from them. Failing that you should gradually forget about the injustice and the fact you are being treated as second class citizens as the foreign power gets rich off your land over the course of several generations. That's the relevance. You're advocating invasion of other nations on the basis that 'they'll eventually be assimilated and if not then we'll ethnically cleanse the region'. I'm afraid I don't agree with ethnic cleansing.

The facts on the ground now are that as of 1997 Irish in the six counties no longer have their civil liberties infringed upon, are no longer treated as second class citizens, the government of the Republic (as well as that of the UK) have an involvement in their political affairs, border controls are gone, the British army is all but gone, the police service is being tranformed into a police service (and not a loyalist army), and demographics will ultimately lead to the democratic reunification of our country.

You ultimately have to recognise that democracy is not suited to certain situations. Where two immovable and diametrically and vehemently opposed political factions occupy the same patch of land, completely intermingled one cannot have a functioning democracy very easily - some compromise solution has to be achieved: the Good Friday Peace Agreement. The same situation exists in Iraq (Sunni, Sh'ia, Kurd), Georgia, China (Tibet, Xinjiang), Russia (Chechnya), the Balkans (Bosnia & Herzegovina) and elsewhere.

Can I ask - why didn't Britain keep a 'Northern India', 'Northern Rhodesia', 'Northern British Honduras' or a 'Northern Hong Kong'? They were in all of those locations for many centuries with many settlers left behind upon retreat. And of course we all know by Vilham logic that time dilutes crime...
lol. Making claims that im advocating ethnic cleansing it retarded.

As I said, the fact that a country and its people allow everything it does to be so heavily influenced by religion is pretty backwards. The situation that exists in those place are all in culturally backwards places that haven't had their culture evolve with the events of the rest of the world.

Did any of those regions have a majority British population? Hong Kond perhaps but that's a city in the middle of the worlds next super power and was only given back to China if they agreed to leave it to pretty much govern itself. Then theres the point that none of them had been under British control for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Anyway I don't see the point in further debating this with you, you know my opinions on the matter I have long known yours. I merely was debating with someone who called the UK "evil" for controlling territory control over lands inhabited by a majority of its citizens, yet failing to see the hypocrisy of that comment coming from the US.
2008-08-13 09:13:48
CameronPoe
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Vilham wrote:

lol. Making claims that im advocating ethnic cleansing it retarded.
You're the one who effectively promoted the idea of 'pack your fucking bags and get out'.

Vilham wrote:

As I said, the fact that a country and its people allow everything it does to be so heavily influenced by religion is pretty backwards. The situation that exists in those place are all in culturally backwards places that haven't had their culture evolve with the events of the rest of the world.
Generalise much? Oblivious to the fact that the dispute is territorial and religion is just a 'badge' delineating the ethnicities?

Vilham wrote:

Did any of those regions have a majority British population? Hong Kond perhaps but that's a city in the middle of the worlds next super power and was only given back to China if they agreed to leave it to pretty much govern itself. Then theres the point that none of them had been under British control for hundreds and hundreds of years.
It depends where you draw the border Vilham. I suppose you could have designated white farmlands in what is now Zimbabwe as 'Northern Rhodesia'. The problem here is that the British just made up a border. If the process had been truly democratic then the island AS A WHOLE would have been given a say on the matter and said imaginary line on a map would never have been drawn. That's the start and end of it and the source of the problem: a line on the map that shouldn't have been drawn was drawn. If Ulster, as unionists continually refer to their 'nation' as, was in fact Ulster then Donegal, Monaghan and Cavan would be part of Northern Ireland and there would be an Irish majority and there would never have been a Northern Ireland, for instance.

Vilham wrote:

Anyway I don't see the point in further debating this with you, you know my opinions on the matter I have long known yours. I merely was debating with someone who called the UK "evil" for controlling territory control over lands inhabited by a majority of its citizens, yet failing to see the hypocrisy of that comment coming from the US.
You don't know shit about me. You probably think I'm virulently anti-British for no reason, completely oblivous to the fact I work with British people, I have British relatives and I visit Britain for business and pleasure. It is your failure to understand the events of 1922 that is the flaw here. The bottom line is that the British should not have come here all those years ago but they did, we're over that and our two nations are friendly trading partners and co-members of the EU. The problem is when Britain were handing Ireland over they took an arbitrarily selected chunk that had a 40/60 British/Irish split of population. It is dumbfoundingly ludicrous to suggest that several hundred thousand people would happily leave their homes to head south to the Republic. It is ludicours to suggest that those Irish in the north should be happy to be ruled from London, especially in the context of being treated as second class citizens and having their cultural identity stifled. It all boils down to the fact that because Rhodesia is far away and a bit of a dump you don't much care about giving it back to the indigenous people but because Northern Ireland is closeby you think it's AOK for Imperial Britain to keep bits of it.

Hypocrisy about the US? Eh? At the end of the day you're endorsing imperialism. Pure and simple.

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2008-08-13 09:19:01
Vilham
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As I said im not debating it further with you. I actually know quite a lot about you, merely by the way you post. You can say you don't dislike the British at all but that is just clearly such bullshit.

lol Imperial Britain. Please stop living in the past yeah.

40/60 split is also total bullshit. It has nothing to do with Imperialism and everything to do what the people that live there want, and not what you want in RI, what right do you have to tell them they have to join your country. You claim im a hypocrite. Yet you suggest the exact thing you claim to be so against, as long as its your country doing the ruling of others. Imperialist Ireland or what.

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2008-08-13 09:23:16
CameronPoe
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Vilham wrote:

As I said im not debating it further with you. I actually know quite a lot about you, merely by the way you post. You can say you don't dislike the British at all but that is just clearly such bullshit.
lol. My deliberate smug trolling is not how I am in 'real' life. What a fucking moron. My dad has a cockney accent ffs. You can't separate the issue being discussed from everyday life. Are you suggesting I hate my cousins?

Vilham wrote:

lol Imperial Britain. Please stop living in the past yeah.
Erm. The discussion centres around what happened in 1922, which has a clear and direct impact on the present day.
2008-08-13 09:25:39
CameronPoe
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Vilham wrote:

40/60 split is also total bullshit. It has nothing to do with Imperialism and everything to do what the people that live there want, and not what you want in RI, what right do you have to tell them they have to join your country. You claim im a hypocrite. Yet you suggest the exact thing you claim to be so against, as long as its your country doing the ruling of others. Imperialist Ireland or what.
Vilham why did they include Fermanagh, Armagh and Tyrone in their gerrymandered state when each of these counties had an Irish majority? Why is that pray tell?
2008-08-13 09:27:15
CameronPoe
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Vilham wrote:

what right do you have to tell them they have to join your country.
Back at ya! You defeat your own fucking argument with that one...
2008-08-13 09:27:18
Vilham
Say wat!?
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CameronPoe wrote:

Vilham wrote:

As I said im not debating it further with you. I actually know quite a lot about you, merely by the way you post. You can say you don't dislike the British at all but that is just clearly such bullshit.
lol. My deliberate smug trolling is not how I am in 'real' life. What a fucking moron. My dad has a cockney accent ffs. You can't separate the issue being discussed from everyday life. Are you suggesting I hate my cousins?

Vilham wrote:

lol Imperial Britain. Please stop living in the past yeah.
Erm. The discussion centres around what happened in 1922, which has a clear and direct impact on the present day.
Wouldn't surprise me tbh. You bitterness is just so transparent.

Indeed it has a massive impact if your 86 years old. I guess I should be hating on the Germans for killing my great uncle as well.

Ive said it before and ill probably have to say it again but move on yeah.

CameronPoe wrote:

Vilham wrote:

what right do you have to tell them they have to join your country.
Back at ya! You defeat your own fucking argument with that one...
Sigh seems you missed the point. /facepalm They didn't join the UK, they were already part of it. But because almighty poe speaks anyone with British roots there which go back as far as should be relevant they should just fuck off I guess.

Anyway as fun as winding you up was I have other things to be occupying myself with.

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2008-08-13 09:29:31
CameronPoe
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Vilham wrote:

Wouldn't surprise me tbh. You bitterness is just so transparent.
Now you're just being a total plonker.

Vilham wrote:

Indeed it has a massive impact if your 86 years old. I guess I should be hating on the Germans for killing my great uncle as well.

Ive said it before and ill probably have to say it again but move on yeah.
Oh yeah that's right - the past has no impact on the world we live in today! Hoorah! The Palestinians have had a lovely time since they lost the 67 war!
2008-08-13 09:32:52
jord
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I was on Irish TV in Waterford.
2008-08-13 09:33:01
CameronPoe
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Vilham wrote:

But because almighty poe speaks anyone with British roots there which go back as far as should be relevant they should just fuck off I guess.
I'm not advocating anybody fucking off.

Oh yeah and you failed to answer this:

Why did they include Fermanagh, Armagh and Tyrone in their gerrymandered state when each of these counties had an Irish majority?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-08-13 09:34:14)

2008-08-13 09:34:50
CameronPoe
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jord wrote:

I was on Irish TV in Waterford.
What on earth were you doing in Waterford???
2008-08-13 09:42:51
jord
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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

I was on Irish TV in Waterford.
What on earth were you doing in Waterford???
Wen't to the crystal factory there. Load of guys in suits and guys with cameras came and said if we cooperate and act normal we would get all the free food we wanted from the shop there.

Should've seen it. Dougnets in bags for the "journey", sandwiches, chocolate cake.

We easily took twice as much food than anyone else there.

They let me use the stick they use to seperate the crystal that's been used for 20 years to make all the crystal trophies. I broke it and it was like a celebration. The producer bought be a Crystal seahorse and inscribed my name on it.
2008-08-13 09:44:00
CameronPoe
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jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

I was on Irish TV in Waterford.
What on earth were you doing in Waterford???
Wen't to the crystal factory there. Load of guys in suits and guys with cameras came and said if we cooperate and act normal we would get all the free food we wanted from the shop there.

Should've seen it. Dougnets in bags for the "journey", sandwiches, chocolate cake.

We easily took twice as much food than anyone else there.

They let me use the stick they use to seperate the crystal that's been used for 20 years to make all the crystal trophies. I broke it and it was like a celebration. The producer bought be a Crystal seahorse and inscribed my name on it.
Pretty neat. Unfortunately the recession is threatening to shutdown Waterford Crystal - the death of an institution.
2008-08-13 09:51:05
jord
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


What on earth were you doing in Waterford???
Wen't to the crystal factory there. Load of guys in suits and guys with cameras came and said if we cooperate and act normal we would get all the free food we wanted from the shop there.

Should've seen it. Dougnets in bags for the "journey", sandwiches, chocolate cake.

We easily took twice as much food than anyone else there.

They let me use the stick they use to seperate the crystal that's been used for 20 years to make all the crystal trophies. I broke it and it was like a celebration. The producer bought be a Crystal seahorse and inscribed my name on it.
Pretty neat. Unfortunately the recession is threatening to shutdown Waterford Crystal - the death of an institution.
Ahh shit.

I've still got that stick, I wonder if it's worth anything.
2008-08-13 10:21:32
ELITE-UK
Scratching my back
+170|6675|SHEFFIELD, ENGLAND
This thread should be closed, i clicked on this thread for the 1st time...saw the opening post and flicked straight to the last page and all i see is a rant that has derailed the thread about Britain and Ireland.

My god can you people never stay on topic...Ever?

 

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