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thought he was australian

Fuck me, now I know what the Yanks feel like when a thread about paint goes back to the same old America is evil rhetoric.

God Save the Queen wrote:

thought he was australian

No, that was Hitler.

Couldn't you tell by the accent, he's got the Perth twang.

Uzique wrote:

Vilham stop posting

20th century events are not "ancient history", ancient doesn't mean 'something that happened before your birth'- and falling back on the argument of something being "ancient history" is not a substitute for "history I know fuck all about".

Note how I put ancient in quotes. At no point did I claim it was ancient history.

It's still not relevant to how I live MY life. You take on other peoples mistakes, personally Ill just live with my own.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-08-12 12:43:02)

i found rammuntions brother

Spearhead wrote:

jord wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I guess I won the argument.

Oh I thought you were joking when you called me evil. Surely as a non biased, non hypocritical liberal you can understand how I failed to see the seriousness of your post?

I've explained about 3 times now why we still have N.Ireland, why we still have it and why it's not really super evil that they still are part of Britain. I could quote myself if your would like?

So by your logic it'd be perfectly fine if the USA invaded the UK, made it the 51st state, then lived there for half a century and out fucked the British population. 

Youre the one bringing our nationalities into this.  Not me. 

*waits for you to bring up native americans*

Hmm, I think the US example is a bad one. What exactly would change if Great Britain would become the 51st state? In my opinion, the way of life in the UK wouldn't have to change much. The voters would have more control over how their new state would look like but if they want it to stay like it is, it could stay that way.

Yes!!!!
WW3 is beginning.

Vilham wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Vilham wrote:

. But that doesn't mean NI was subjugated as you claimed.

The half million Catholics that resided in the 6 counties at partition (there was no vote by the way), were subjugated and had no choice but to be British Citizens thanks to the million or so Protestant peoples that were  seeded here to eradicate our culture, thanks to  the plantation by the British crown back  in the 1600's - THE ONLY REASON THEY WERE A MAJORITY IN THE FIRST PLACE (which incidental they weren't in the counties of Tyrone, Armagh, Fermanagh at the time of the formation of the state) so please stop trying to perpetuate some Faux idea of democracy being behind the formation of Northern Ireland, only when the actual vote on reunification takes place in the future will the Northern Irish question be legitimately answered and will democracy have been executed..

O yeah I guess we should throw out democracy then, majority rule doesn't count if it goes against you. As I said painted in woad.

People always have choices, they weren't subjugated what so ever. At any point they could have sold their property and moved to Ireland, im sure they would have been welcomed with open arms. You would have thought rather than resorting to blowing up innocent people they would have just left the country for the one they want to be in. O no wait, that would be too logical.

Btw get over something that happened 400 years ago yeah, I got over William the Conqueror taking my lands. And even if you can't get over something someone did 400 years ago stop blaming it on people now. The people that voted in those elections had as much right as anyone else to have their say, their family's had lived there for generations but what because they have English routes they aren't allow a say. How about if you don't like democracy go live in Russia. Seems they have similar views of land that doesn't belong to them and similar views on minority rule over others.

Your probably thinking, those evil English they planned this all along so they could win an election 400 years later. lol

Should the native English have fled to Ireland too when the Normans invaded? "At any point they could have sold their property and moved to Ireland" No they didn't, they resisted, they fought, they didn't just roll over.

400 years ago? If William the Conqueror's decedents were arming militants, giving them Intel on Native English Solicitors so they can be killed, then covering their tracks for them, you would be a tad pissed. The British forces have been involved in destroying evidence, handing back guns which were used in murders to the murderers, tipping off loyalist terrorists, protecting murderous terrorist informants, beating nationalists off their own streets so UVF pipe bands can spit on the murder scene were 8 Innocent Catholics were murdered, 4 of them under 18 the other 4 over 60 (I witnessed that one, was told by a spotty 18 year old squady to "get the fuck back in your house and stay there" while they beat my neighbours back into their homes) and I could go on. http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?tid=106 … id=2243763

These things have happened in the last 5-30 years so its very fresh in our minds. I don't need to read a history book and go back 400 years, it happened in my lifetime so its hard to forget and forgive. Although the forgiveness is happening with time. It will take along time for the people of this island to get over our past, but we are getting there.
The IRA were murderous bastards. But the loyalist terrorist gangs killed way more people than the nationalist terrorist during the troubles, so it worked both ways. The IRA didn't have the Police helping them tho.

JahManRed wrote:

Vilham wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

The half million Catholics that resided in the 6 counties at partition (there was no vote by the way), were subjugated and had no choice but to be British Citizens thanks to the million or so Protestant peoples that were  seeded here to eradicate our culture, thanks to  the plantation by the British crown back  in the 1600's - THE ONLY REASON THEY WERE A MAJORITY IN THE FIRST PLACE (which incidental they weren't in the counties of Tyrone, Armagh, Fermanagh at the time of the formation of the state) so please stop trying to perpetuate some Faux idea of democracy being behind the formation of Northern Ireland, only when the actual vote on reunification takes place in the future will the Northern Irish question be legitimately answered and will democracy have been executed..

O yeah I guess we should throw out democracy then, majority rule doesn't count if it goes against you. As I said painted in woad.

People always have choices, they weren't subjugated what so ever. At any point they could have sold their property and moved to Ireland, im sure they would have been welcomed with open arms. You would have thought rather than resorting to blowing up innocent people they would have just left the country for the one they want to be in. O no wait, that would be too logical.

Btw get over something that happened 400 years ago yeah, I got over William the Conqueror taking my lands. And even if you can't get over something someone did 400 years ago stop blaming it on people now. The people that voted in those elections had as much right as anyone else to have their say, their family's had lived there for generations but what because they have English routes they aren't allow a say. How about if you don't like democracy go live in Russia. Seems they have similar views of land that doesn't belong to them and similar views on minority rule over others.

Your probably thinking, those evil English they planned this all along so they could win an election 400 years later. lol

Should the native English have fled to Ireland too when the Normans invaded? "At any point they could have sold their property and moved to Ireland" No they didn't, they resisted, they fought, they didn't just roll over.

400 years ago? If William the Conqueror's decedents were arming militants, giving them Intel on Native English Solicitors so they can be killed, then covering their tracks for them, you would be a tad pissed. The British forces have been involved in destroying evidence, handing back guns which were used in murders to the murderers, tipping off loyalist terrorists, protecting murderous terrorist informants, beating nationalists off their own streets so UVF pipe bands can spit on the murder scene were 8 Innocent Catholics were murdered, 4 of them under 18 the other 4 over 60 (I witnessed that one, was told by a spotty 18 year old squady to "get the fuck back in your house and stay there" while they beat my neighbours back into their homes) and I could go on. http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?tid=106 … id=2243763

These things have happened in the last 5-30 years so its very fresh in our minds. I don't need to read a history book and go back 400 years, it happened in my lifetime so its hard to forget and forgive. Although the forgiveness is happening with time. It will take along time for the people of this island to get over our past, but we are getting there.
The IRA were murderous bastards. But the loyalist terrorist gangs killed way more people than the nationalist terrorist during the troubles, so it worked both ways. The IRA didn't have the Police helping them tho.

Actually the fighting wasn't still happening 700 years later. People had moved on from the fact that Normans invaded because its completely irrelevant to the time they lived in.

Indeed those things did happen. Please point out where I claimed they didn't, in fact I believe I even mentioned earlier in this thread that both sides were wrong and did horrible things.

That still has no relevance over the fact that NI democratically remained part of the UK and that that  isn't invalid or undemocratic because people that lived in NI had ancestors that only moved to NI a mere 400 years ago rather than 700+. Which was IG's rather absurd point.

Vilham wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow Vilham has a retarded view of reality. I'd love to see him proudly spouting German had the Nazis won the war.

yawn...

You continue living in the past. Not particularly welcoming of foreigners, must be something to do with that strange hair colour.

Im pretty sure 700 years later or even as little as 96 years I probably would be talking German and probably wouldn't care seeing as Hitler would be long dead and any dictatorship would more than likely have long since collapsed in German controlled Europe. Times move on get with them.

Newsflash: the 'past' is THE PRESENT for those Irish people living under British rule in a state created artificially by an occupying force trying to cling to some possessions as it was kicked out of our country. Not a single soul will willingly give up their home, possessions and property because some tyrannical power stamped its alien authority on their land. Your 'the Irish should pack their bags and head for the Republic' concept is quite possibly themost ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-08-13 03:49:57)

IG has a good point - if there was a proper vote, my old county of Fermanagh would have been in the rep.

CameronPoe wrote:

Vilham wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow Vilham has a retarded view of reality. I'd love to see him proudly spouting German had the Nazis won the war.

yawn...

You continue living in the past. Not particularly welcoming of foreigners, must be something to do with that strange hair colour.

Im pretty sure 700 years later or even as little as 96 years I probably would be talking German and probably wouldn't care seeing as Hitler would be long dead and any dictatorship would more than likely have long since collapsed in German controlled Europe. Times move on get with them.

Newsflash: the 'past' is THE PRESENT for those Irish people living under British rule in a state created artificially by an occupying force trying to cling to some possessions as it was kicked out of our country. Not a single soul will willingly give up their home, possessions and property because some tyrannical power stamped its alien authority on their land. Your 'the Irish should pack their bags and head for the Republic' concept is quite possibly themost ludicrous thing I've ever heard.

Nice to see your true opinions of the British finally coming through.

For the record everyone, according to Poe the British state is a "tyrannical power".

So even though a majority in some of the county's would want to remain part of the UK even though that might not be all as IG and Ted point out they shouldn't be allowed to. As said, until a majority wants in on RI then NI remains part of the UK, seems pretty simple really, atm majority wants to remain part of UK. Deal with it or move.

I certainly wouldn't remain in a region that wanted to remain part of another country. Eg, if The channel islands were part of France and the majority wanted it so but I wanted British rule then I would move, we don't live in some cave man era where I refuse to give up the piece of turf beneath my house.

IG-Calibre wrote:

Vilham wrote:

That still has no relevance over the fact that NI democratically remained part of the UK and that that  isn't invalid or undemocratic because people that lived in NI had ancestors that only moved to NI a mere 400 years ago rather than 700+. Which was IG's rather absurd point.

a - Democratically = people voted. The State of Northern Ireland was not brought about by a vote, but by agreement, can you not grasp this fact? we (Northern Irish Catholics) were sold out. No matter how much you say it, there was no vote. If there had been a vote then Tyrone, Fermanagh, Armagh would be part of the Republic as these three counties had nationalist majority's, yet were claimed by the British.

b - The British Crown seeded Ulster with Protestants because of Catholic Rebellion in the 1600's.  This was to ensure a Protestant Majority sympathetic to the crown. It's called the Plantation of Ulster you should read a bit of history, this is not just a "democratic" majority but social engineering.  FACT nothing absurd about anything i've said.

Points taken. That still doesn't relate the two points, which is what you tried to do. The fact that the British Crown may have seeded Ulster doesn't mean the people that are descendants 400 years later have no rights.

The British crown doesn't even exist in the same form anymore, so instead of blaming the people who lived back then and made those decisions you placed the blame on the descendants just because they have the same blood?