Yup, I read it all. If you look real close you can see words like "tried". Past tense. I'd like anyone to point out if people in N.Ireland have shit lives because of Britain today. Or are they a free democratic country?Spearhead wrote:
I did. Did you happen to read the lines under it?jord wrote:
And there goes all my correct points in one explosion of bias.Spearhead wrote:
My god thank you.
I hope you read and understood the first sentence of that post.
Seriously books read them. NI is not subjugated it VOTED DEMOCRATICALLY to remain part of the UK.Spearhead wrote:
My god thank you.IG-Calibre wrote:
there are plenty of people in Northern Ireland who consider themselves British. What it comes down to Mek-sizzle is this, whether you want to be subjugated to a throne or not. Britian tried to Force subjugation onto the people of Ireland through the eradication of the indigenous peoples culture. However there are still plenty of those who will never accept subjection to any throne not matter what fucking language they speak. All roads lead to Rome in these matters..Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Yeah but they're also not saying about how much they dislike Britain and want to be more Scottish/Welsh and all that. So they don't look as silly as the Irish folk do, imo.
What IG is talking about is hundreds of years old, how is that even relevant to people living today? His claim that NI is subjugated is merely his opinion and opinion that can easily be shown to be misguided if you look at the fact that in democratic elections the people voted to stay as part of the UK.
IG has some misconception of the UK that we are ruled by the crown and they have the ability to force people to do what they want. Maybe true before Cromwell but certainly hasn't been true for a few hundred years. His claim that "those who will never accept subjection to any throne" is a claim that anyone living in the UK has accepted to be subjected to the rule of the throne. Clearly IG missed the last few hundred years. Wouldn't surprise me if he uses a wooden magical computer and still goes to battle naked and dyed with woad.
Fuck it I'm goin to bed. I'll be on later.
When Campoe comes back on you're all fucked.
P.S. Please tell me to stop reading books. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass first.
When Campoe comes back on you're all fucked.
P.S. Please tell me to stop reading books. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass first.
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Insult alert!Spearhead wrote:
P.S. Please tell me to stop reading books. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass first.
Maybe watch a documentary then if you don't like reading.
Read through the entire thread again, look who threw the insults first. Vilhams told me to read books about 15 times now in this thread and in PM's.jord wrote:
Insult alert!Spearhead wrote:
P.S. Please tell me to stop reading books. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass first.
Maybe watch a documentary then if you don't like reading.
england sucks
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lol...jord wrote:
Insult alert!Spearhead wrote:
P.S. Please tell me to stop reading books. Maybe you should take your head out of your ass first.
Maybe watch a documentary then if you don't like reading.
As to reading books, fine don't. read up on wikipedia, then you might not be so ignorant as to history of NI and might actually be able to form a valid opinion. You don't see me storming into threads making claims over something that I have absolutely zero knowledge on. You know why? Because that would make me look like a total moron.
Well you told us...Poseidon wrote:
england sucks
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Already happenedVilham wrote:
Because that would make me look like a total moron.
Yes indeed. Me having a grasp on actual events in NI and arguing against someone who knows nothing about it does make me a bit of a moron. I should of just ignored your ignorant comments.Spearhead wrote:
Already happenedVilham wrote:
Because that would make me look like a total moron.
You accused me of having no point when I clearly stated it. As I told you in the PM's, you should try actually reading and acknowledging what other people think instead of only hearing what you want to hear. It'd be reading though. But thats the expression.Vilham wrote:
Yes indeed. Me having a grasp on actual events in NI and arguing against someone who knows nothing about it does make me a bit of a moron. I should of just ignored your ignorant comments.Spearhead wrote:
Already happenedVilham wrote:
Because that would make me look like a total moron.
If you tell me to read books one more time I'm going to go ape shit and burn down my house.
No what you claimed was that the UK subjugates NI. Which is wrong.Spearhead wrote:
You accused me of having no point when I clearly stated it. As I told you in the PM's, you should try actually reading and acknowledging what other people think instead of only hearing what you want to hear. It'd be reading though. But thats the expression.Vilham wrote:
Yes indeed. Me having a grasp on actual events in NI and arguing against someone who knows nothing about it does make me a bit of a moron. I should of just ignored your ignorant comments.Spearhead wrote:
Already happened
If you tell me to read books one more time I'm going to go ape shit and burn down my house.
As I said. Completely ignorant of the actual facts. Reading a book might helpSpearhead wrote:
How would that be any different than you guys making Northern Island a part of the UK?jord wrote:
I don't get your point, probably because it makes no sense.Spearhead wrote:
Brits how would you like it if the USA invaded you and made you a 51st state? Not too much I imagine.
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Okay, so you're telling me if I read a book about NI and still have the same opinion, then you're wrong? Of course, I will back my opinion with facts from the book.
What book would you recommend. Being serious here.
What book would you recommend. Being serious here.
If you are British, then you are a Subject of her Majesty, what's known as a British Subject. Also you should familiarise yourselves with the way Catholics were treated when the state of Northern Ireland was formed, A Protestant state for a Protestant British people, not to mention all the crimes committed by the "crown" forces when it murdered innocent Catholic citizens here without retribution up until a few years ago. Hardly ancient historyVilham wrote:
What IG is talking about is hundreds of years old, how is that even relevant to people living today? His claim that NI is subjugated is merely his opinion and opinion that can easily be shown to be misguided if you look at the fact that in democratic elections the people voted to stay as part of the UK.
IG has some misconception of the UK that we are ruled by the crown and they have the ability to force people to do what they want. Maybe true before Cromwell but certainly hasn't been true for a few hundred years. His claim that "those who will never accept subjection to any throne" is a claim that anyone living in the UK has accepted to be subjected to the rule of the throne. Clearly IG missed the last few hundred years. Wouldn't surprise me if he uses a wooden magical computer and still goes to battle naked and dyed with woad.
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If you read a book on the matter and come to the same opinion I would be amazed, but at least you would have an informed opinion with facts to back it up.Spearhead wrote:
Okay, so you're telling me if I read a book about NI and still have the same opinion, then you're wrong? Of course, I will back my opinion with facts from the book.
What book would you recommend. Being serious here.
There are lots of books out there on the Troubles which is 1921-2000 basically when NI voted to remain part of the UK and the rest of Ireland didn't and the follow up with the IRA and the events lucky Bloody Sunday.
Then there's general British history books for periods before then.
And even if you don't read a book, wikipedia or any of the Irish people on this site can tell you that NI was given a democratic vote and chose to remain part of the UK, how does that in any shape or form equate to subjugation? Then there was your example of the US invading the UK and ruling it, im pretty sure if that had happened 700 years ago people in the UK would have long since stopped giving a shit and would have got on with their lives.
I'm not disputing the last part. I never said it didn't. You're STILL missing my point. christ almighty.
Indeed I may be a subject of the Queen, that doesn't make me subjected to her rulings though. The queen has no power over her subjects. So in effect we are not subjects at all. The Queen is merely a pawn.IG-Calibre wrote:
If you are British, then you are a Subject of her Majesty, what's known as a British Subject. Also you should familiarise yourselves with the way Catholics were treated when the state of Northern Ireland was formed, A Protestant state for a Protestant British people, not to mention all the crimes committed by the "crown" forces when it murdered innocent Catholic citizens here without retribution up until a few years ago. Hardly ancient historyVilham wrote:
What IG is talking about is hundreds of years old, how is that even relevant to people living today? His claim that NI is subjugated is merely his opinion and opinion that can easily be shown to be misguided if you look at the fact that in democratic elections the people voted to stay as part of the UK.
IG has some misconception of the UK that we are ruled by the crown and they have the ability to force people to do what they want. Maybe true before Cromwell but certainly hasn't been true for a few hundred years. His claim that "those who will never accept subjection to any throne" is a claim that anyone living in the UK has accepted to be subjected to the rule of the throne. Clearly IG missed the last few hundred years. Wouldn't surprise me if he uses a wooden magical computer and still goes to battle naked and dyed with woad.
Yes indeed such things did happen, I didn't realise killing was related to subjugating culture. Im not gunna get into the debate about this because as far as I can see both sides were in the wrong, but "not to mention all the crimes committed by the" "IRA" when they murdered innocent citizens. See how it has two sides to the story?
Less than half the British population was even born when bloody sunday and the likes even happened. Whereas most people in the UK were born while the IRA campaigns were STILL happening. Btw something that happened before half my country was born is pretty "ancient" history.
As I said both sides were wrong. But that doesn't mean NI was subjugated as you claimed.
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So wait, the point you brought up wasn't your point. How cunning. I should do that more often, make a point then claim it's not my point at all.Spearhead wrote:
I'm not disputing the last part. I never said it didn't. You're STILL missing my point. christ almighty.
hmmmm, seems you are smarter than I thought.
WatVilham wrote:
So wait, the point you brought up wasn't your point. How cunning. I should do that more often, make a point then claim it's not my point at all.Spearhead wrote:
I'm not disputing the last part. I never said it didn't. You're STILL missing my point. christ almighty.
hmmmm, seems you are smarter than I thought.
dude who are you talking to. You just outsmarted yourself.
The half million Catholics that resided in the 6 counties at partition (there was no vote by the way), were subjugated and had no choice but to be British Citizens thanks to the million or so Protestant peoples that were seeded here to eradicate our culture, thanks to the plantation by the British crown back in the 1600's - THE ONLY REASON THEY WERE A MAJORITY IN THE FIRST PLACE (which incidental they weren't in the counties of Tyrone, Armagh, Fermanagh at the time of the formation of the state) so please stop trying to perpetuate some Faux idea of democracy being behind the formation of Northern Ireland, only when the actual vote on reunification takes place in the future will the Northern Irish question be legitimately answered and will democracy have been executed..Vilham wrote:
. But that doesn't mean NI was subjugated as you claimed.
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Vilham stop posting
20th century events are not "ancient history", ancient doesn't mean 'something that happened before your birth'- and falling back on the argument of something being "ancient history" is not a substitute for "history I know fuck all about".
20th century events are not "ancient history", ancient doesn't mean 'something that happened before your birth'- and falling back on the argument of something being "ancient history" is not a substitute for "history I know fuck all about".
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brits own the irish.
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fuckin sucks.usmarine wrote:
brits own the irish.
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cept we own them at being cool.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
what about william wallace
Scottish.God Save the Queen wrote:
what about william wallace
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