BF2S Forums Georgia Declares war on Russia

Commie Killer wrote:

Not to be sterotypical but the many Russians have a deep hate for the Baltic countries, which is probably, possibly, why you see Russian soldiers volunteering to go fight there.

Yeah, they think we discriminate Russians here. We're the Nazis and so on..

Ottomania wrote:

georgian president is USA's puppet. Can you believe that a normal georgian president would declare war on huge Russia? That has been ordered by USA.

Bush: Invade Russia
Saakashvili: k, sir. But will u help us?
Bush: Maybe.
Saakashvili: thx

Ottomania wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

most of our goverments get along with usa but I dont think that wil drive ours crazy like atacking russia.

Kid, you need to stop trolling and popping in your US is the great satan bs.


RUSSIA ATTACKED THEM!!!!! What should they do? Well their stronger than us, so they can kick us around? Don't be fucking stupid, if someone is pushing you around you don't roll over and die.

georgia invaded south osetia first, and russia is a defender of south osetia.

South Osetia was not a independent country, it belongs to Georgia. The Russians, want the territory for themselves.

SgtHeihn wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

Kid, you need to stop trolling and popping in your US is the great satan bs.


RUSSIA ATTACKED THEM!!!!! What should they do? Well their stronger than us, so they can kick us around? Don't be fucking stupid, if someone is pushing you around you don't roll over and die.

georgia invaded south osetia first, and russia is a defender of south osetia.

South Osetia was not a independent country, it belongs to Georgia. The Russians, want the territory for themselves.

Actually it's had de-facto independance since it had a civil war with Georgia in the 90's (around the breakup of the USSR)

Most Ossetians have Russian passports so when Georgians go and attack Ossetians they're attacking Russian citizens. Most Ossetians would rather have their own country or be autonomous under Russia than be with Georgia. I thought it was Russia aggression too before I read the facts.

I mean what's the difference between this and Kosovo. Kosovo tries to cede from Serbia, Serbia invades, NATO invades Serbia.

S.Ossetia cedes from Georgia, Georgia invades. Russia invades Georgia. Same shit. Except Ossetians are Russian citizens, and Russia actually borders the countries in question.

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-08-10 02:13:29)

SgtHeihn wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ossetia

But all that means that they have a large resident alien population. I know that sounds cold but, from what it sounds like is that they didn't go about trying to declare their independence the right way.

Also it wouldn't be a independent nation, they want to annexed into Russia, it would kinda be like Scotland wanting to break away from England to join Ireland.

But I do see the argument of Russia going in to protect its "citizens"

Well I hope they don't find no other Russians to protect somewhere here..

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Actually it's had de-facto independance since it had a civil war with Georgia in the 90's (around the breakup of the USSR)

Most Ossetians have Russian passports so when Georgians go and attack Ossetians they're attacking Russian citizens. Most Ossetians would rather have their own country or be autonomous under Russia than be with Georgia. I thought it was Russia aggression too before I read the facts.

Facts? What facts? All I read was a bunch of he said/she said crap. Georgia says separatists attacked Georgian villages, so the army responded. Russians say Georgians plain and simple invaded. Where are the facts? Cos I don't see them, sorry.

And let's not go and look at Russia giving their passports to anyone that wanted in the past few years too closely, shall we? Because, sooner than you know, some conspiracy theorist may come along and accuse Russia of planning this for a long time... Like people accusing US of being behind this?

Just saying...

If russia blow that huge pipeline, the EU will go in.

Pubic wrote:

Could be that Russia is at fault, could be Georgia, could be both.  I'm just glad its on the other side of the world.

It'll be interesting to see how this conflict is reflected in Moscow - I'm travelling there in two weeks.

*prepares for hours of visa/passport controls*

oug wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Wouldn’t this constitute a war crime, if deliberate?  The Russians dropped bombs on the city of Gori today, killing civilians, while announcing that they had taken the capital of South Ossetia back from Georgia.

Everyone else is criticized for targeted strikes against militants who hide among civilians. Shouldn't the same apply here?

you know better then that Kerry.  when the US does it, threads pop up like florida thunder storms.  people are media sheep and are so obsessed with the US thats all they know.  so when stuff like this happens, they are not prepared.  they have to wait until class on monday so their professors can feed them some bollocks.

Kman, this would indeed constitute a war crime. Marine, wtf are you blathering about?

And to all of you who say that Georgia started this, nobody can be sure atm, but always bear in mind that the weak never start anything. In this case, if indeed Georgia started it, they must have made damn sure someone powerful has got their back. And until the latter is proven, I say Russia is to blame.

That would be a war crime but would that not mean Hiroshima and Nagasaki were two of the worst war crimes in the history of human conflict?

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

georgia invaded south osetia first, and russia is a defender of south osetia.

South Osetia was not a independent country, it belongs to Georgia. The Russians, want the territory for themselves.

Actually it's had de-facto independance since it had a civil war with Georgia in the 90's (around the breakup of the USSR)

Most Ossetians have Russian passports so when Georgians go and attack Ossetians they're attacking Russian citizens. Most Ossetians would rather have their own country or be autonomous under Russia than be with Georgia. I thought it was Russia aggression too before I read the facts.

I mean what's the difference between this and Kosovo. Kosovo tries to cede from Serbia, Serbia invades, NATO invades Serbia.

S.Ossetia cedes from Georgia, Georgia invades. Russia invades Georgia. Same shit. Except Ossetians are Russian citizens, and Russia actually borders the countries in question.

I mean what's the difference between this and Kosovo. Kosovo tries to cede from Serbia, Serbia invades, Serbia slaughters Kosovo Albanians in mass genocide, NATO invades Serbia.  NATO whoops Serbia.  Kosovo gains independece.  No one gives a shit about Serbia.

I would conclude killing people en mass doesn't help your cause.

BALTINS wrote:

KIEV, Ukraine: Ukraine warned Russia on Sunday it could bar Russian navy ships from returning to their base in the Crimea because of their deployment to Georgia's coast.

Interesting, yet disturbing.

wonder what the ruskies are going to do against that.

probably just close the gas pipes leading to ukraine.

oug wrote:

Braddock wrote:

That would be a war crime but would that not mean Hiroshima and Nagasaki were two of the worst war crimes in the history of human conflict?

yep, double standards ftl

what the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING about this topic?  WTF is wrong with you fucking idiots?  my god just STFU.  nagasaki?  jesus fucking christ.

oug wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Wouldn’t this constitute a war crime, if deliberate?  The Russians dropped bombs on the city of Gori today, killing civilians, while announcing that they had taken the capital of South Ossetia back from Georgia.

Everyone else is criticized for targeted strikes against militants who hide among civilians. Shouldn't the same apply here?

you know better then that Kerry.  when the US does it, threads pop up like florida thunder storms.  people are media sheep and are so obsessed with the US thats all they know.  so when stuff like this happens, they are not prepared.  they have to wait until class on monday so their professors can feed them some bollocks.

Kman, this would indeed constitute a war crime. Marine, wtf are you blathering about?

And to all of you who say that Georgia started this, nobody can be sure atm, but always bear in mind that the weak never start anything. In this case, if indeed Georgia started it, they must have made damn sure someone powerful has got their back. And until the latter is proven, I say Russia is to blame.

ya, ill make it simple for you then.

no "zomg where is the diplomacy"

and "zomg no UN mandate"

and "russia is war mongers who only want more oil'

blah blah blah

fucking get it now?

Russia has alot of control on oil/gas pipes leading to Europe. Ukraine and many other nations are dependant on Russia for all this kind of stuff. Coincidentifully Ossetia is the most rich place in the entire region, meaning the Russians will gain even more control over the oil/gas supplies. Putting pressure on them without hurting yourselves in the process is kind of problematic.

About saving Georgia's ass; I think we (EU) should try to pressurize Russia but whatever we do don't engage physically. They have, imo, no right to go in there. Ossetia isn't Kosovo, and I highly doubt it's solely about protecting russian citizens, it's for the stuff in the ground.

I don't think S-Ossetia has said it wants to be part of Russia anyway.