BF2S Forums Within 20 Years, Muslims Will Be Majority in Europe

Turquoise wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Even if the offensive cartoons successfully riled the Muslims in Europe and aided racists against Muslims, the point was made clear: many Muslims do not understand or respect the freedom of speech.  Anyone who threatens to maim or kill others over being offended by a cartoon is not compatible with Western society and should be deported or imprisoned.

That was a tiny minority of Muslims who protested the cartoons, just as many Muslims have marched and protested against extremism and yet this is conveniently ignored by both the mainstream media and Islamophobes across the world.

Agreed.  The vast majority of Muslims are fine, but that minority of them that is extremist should be imprisoned or deported.

thats what I posted 2 I dont have problems with normal Muslims as long as no problems occur

paul386 wrote:

Racism is not disliking someone, it is thinking you are superior to someone because of their race. You can hate a group of people because of their race, and thats not racism. Just as long as you don't think you are superior.

If you hate someone, you think they are a lesser person than you.

If you hate a whole race, just for being said race, then you are a racist.

There are no two ways about it.

lol lowing

paul386 wrote:

I am not sure what Lowing is trying to get at with his live on your own and pay your bills crap. Someone can form an educated opinion without living in their own house?

I agree, in lowing's world you have to have walked in his shoes to have a valid opinion yet he does not have to walk in anyone else's shoes to validate his own.

paul386 wrote:

Racism is not disliking someone, it is thinking you are superior to someone because of their race. You can hate a group of people because of their race, and thats not racism. Just as long as you don't think you are superior.

I disagree, for me racism is the hating of a race based on preconceptions about said race. Feelings of superiority don't have to come into it, though they often do.

Braddock wrote:

paul386 wrote:

I am not sure what Lowing is trying to get at with his live on your own and pay your bills crap. Someone can form an educated opinion without living in their own house?

I agree, in lowing's world you have to have walked in his shoes to have a valid opinion yet he does not have to walk in anyone else's shoes to validate his own.

paul386 wrote:

Racism is not disliking someone, it is thinking you are superior to someone because of their race. You can hate a group of people because of their race, and thats not racism. Just as long as you don't think you are superior.

I disagree, for me racism is the hating of a race based on preconceptions about said race. Feelings of superiority don't have to come into it, though they often do.

You do not have to walk in my shoes, but I believe that if you do not work,or pay bills, or have been charged with the responsibility of taking care of yourself, you know, like in REAL life, then you really are not qualified to tell anyone that does, how they are supposed to do it or that they are doing it wrong, or what they should be doing instead.

Nothing more nothing less.

As for the other, Braddock is correct.

paul386 wrote:

Racism is not disliking someone, it is thinking you are superior to someone because of their race. You can hate a group of people because of their race, and thats not racism. Just as long as you don't think you are superior.

Actually racism, sexism, prejudice etc are all to do with basing a negative connotation with someone merely because they are of a certain race/sexual preference/sex/etc Rather than basing that negative connotation on experience with that particular person.

Lowing is right he's not being racist hes being prejudice to Muslims.

Vilham wrote:

paul386 wrote:

Racism is not disliking someone, it is thinking you are superior to someone because of their race. You can hate a group of people because of their race, and thats not racism. Just as long as you don't think you are superior.

Actually racism, sexism, prejudice etc are all to do with basing a negative connotation with someone merely because they are of a certain race/sexual preference/sex/etc Rather than basing that negative connotation on experience with that particular person.

Lowing is right he's not being racist hes being prejudice to Muslims.

Nope, I am being prejudice against ISLAM, I judge people individually. Based on actions, effort, and/or appearance

Dilbert_X wrote:

but I believe that if you do not work,or pay bills, or have been charged with the responsibility of taking care of yourself, you know, like in REAL life, then you really are not qualified to tell anyone that does, how they are supposed to do it or that they are doing it wrong, or what they should be doing instead

Wow Lowing, I didn't know you were the only person on earth who had a job, bills to pay, responsibilities etc.

Don't worry about that. He thinks I shouldn't have the right to an opinion because I haven't moved out of home yet.

Despite my 4 years at university, he see's me as unworthy of an opinion because I haven't paid taxes yet, or raised my own family. He probably feels offended that I'm only 21 too, and don't know what it's like in his so called "real world". lol

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

but I believe that if you do not work,or pay bills, or have been charged with the responsibility of taking care of yourself, you know, like in REAL life, then you really are not qualified to tell anyone that does, how they are supposed to do it or that they are doing it wrong, or what they should be doing instead

Wow Lowing, I didn't know you were the only person on earth who had a job, bills to pay, responsibilities etc.

I am not, only one of the few in this forum that does apparently. If my comment does not apply to you, then you really shouldn't be offended should ya?

It's not really offensive, it's just a fucking stupid opinion to have

Pug wrote:

Well fellas...

...I remember 10 to 15 years ago hearing the same thing about the Hispanic population in the United States: the immigration rate was high and the birth rate was 2-3 times higher than the otheres.  I remember seeing the same logic in this thread...a general denial....a general "that's not true"...a general "never happen"....a general "that's ridiculous".

Increasing immigration + large positive fertility rate = lots of muslims
Negative fertility rate = less Europeans

Cultural friction + increasingly powerful minority = ????

I have yet to meet any illegal immigrant who has voting rights. You must remember we started from a position of relative ethnic purity. The US did not. It willingly had wide open doors for years. There is no manner in which this so called 'invasion' can attain voting rights and we detain all those found and inter them in camps prior to shipping them out (which admittedly takes a couple of years of red tape). I'm not aware of anything similar in scale on the US-Mexico issue. The fact several south-western states have large indigenous hispanic populations and legal immigrant hispanic populations is what the problem is in the US. You also forget that European political parties are getting ever more anti-illegal immigrant by the day, in line with sentiment on the ground. I don't see any such thing occurring in the US.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

but I believe that if you do not work,or pay bills, or have been charged with the responsibility of taking care of yourself, you know, like in REAL life, then you really are not qualified to tell anyone that does, how they are supposed to do it or that they are doing it wrong, or what they should be doing instead

Wow Lowing, I didn't know you were the only person on earth who had a job, bills to pay, responsibilities etc.

Don't worry about that. He thinks I shouldn't have the right to an opinion because I haven't moved out of home yet.

Despite my 4 years at university, he see's me as unworthy of an opinion because I haven't paid taxes yet, or raised my own family. He probably feels offended that I'm only 21 too, and don't know what it's like in his so called "real world". lol

Not at all, I see it as if you have nothing you have nothing to loose, you have no ties to what you have worked for, only to what you were given.

Basically what I am saying is this, WHEN you have worked, paid your way, earned your possessions, your attitude toward life and those that want to sponge off of yours will change. Almost a guarantee.

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Don't worry about that. He thinks I shouldn't have the right to an opinion because I haven't moved out of home yet.

Despite my 4 years at university, he see's me as unworthy of an opinion because I haven't paid taxes yet, or raised my own family. He probably feels offended that I'm only 21 too, and don't know what it's like in his so called "real world". lol

Not at all, I see it as if you have nothing you have nothing to loose, you have no ties to what you have worked for, only to what you were given.

Basically what I am saying is this, WHEN you have worked, paid your way, earned your possessions, your attitude toward life and those that want to sponge off of yours will change. Almost a guarantee.

Mine didn't.

Ditto. It is just an unfortunate part of reality to be accepted. My disposable income is ridiculous, complaining about sponging would be pretty damn vulgar when all I'd be doing with the money is pouring it down my throat on a Thursday/Friday/Saturday night...

FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Wow Lowing, I didn't know you were the only person on earth who had a job, bills to pay, responsibilities etc.

I am not, only one of the few in this forum that does apparently. If my comment does not apply to you, then you really shouldn't be offended should ya?

It's not really offensive, it's just a fucking stupid opinion to have

If it doesn't affect you don't worry about it, it is just an opinion